I hope that some day it will be accurate enough that I can feel the sharpness of the edge of a page in iBooks as I change the page. I think we will get there too (and is where Apple plans on going with their app design), not sure when but it's probably not more than a few years off.
Apple Media Event - 1080p AppleTV, 4G/LTE 2048x1536 iPad, same price, Mar 16th
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I hope that some day it will be accurate enough that I can feel the sharpness of the edge of a page in iBooks as I change the page. I think we will get there too (and is where Apple plans on going with their app design), not sure when but it's probably not more than a few years off.
Slurpy2k20
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Uh, it's been heavily rumored for weeks now that an updated ATV will be released very soon, and it's been all but confirmed for a couple weeks that it will be released with the new iPad. It's your own fault.
Yeah, who browses the web with their iPad, anyway!
Betta Lines
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Tomorrow.
Kung Fu Jedi
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It's also a $99 product, not a $500 tablet or $1000 plus computer.
Dreams-Visions
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sure, but a number of tabs had to be open for you to have issues. it wasn't janky...it was limited in that application. everything else performed fairly flawlessly, every time, all the time.
but I understand the context of your point.
JCreasy
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Tomorrow.
Haptic Crew - ASSEMBLE!
"This is my family. I found it, all on my own. Is little, and broken, but still good. Yeah, still good. "
If it works well enough at 768 what's the problem? I however think they may go with a gig just because it may be easier/cheaper to get the components though.
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Haptic is a year away, stop setting yourself up for disappointment!
Kung Fu Jedi
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Same. I'm looking forward to seeing what they announce on the Apple TV almost as much as the iPad 3. If it's just 1080p I'll be a bit disappointed. Hope it goes beyond that.
Love my ATV already.
Betta Lines
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I can take it.
Dreams-Visions
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I have not used the iPad 2 and I haven't installed iOS 5 on it. I actually haven't used my iPad in about 5 months. It's in a different state with my parents. I just don't recall anything other than smooth performance...with the occasional safari/memory-related app closure.
brotkasten
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Same here. My OG iPad works really well, when I don't use any apps. Browsing the home screen is really fast and smooth.
shoplifter
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This - it's pretty unbearable at this point so I'll likely be upgrading in spite of what the wife (who has an iPad2 and doesn't have to deal with it) says.
LyleLanley
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I'd say haptic is more than a year away. I doubt we see it within the next two or three years.
ClovingWestbrook
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So anymore rumors of Apple introducing a television streaming service tomorrow?
Probably 2, buy them a bit more time for a EyeBleed 3D display in 4 or 5 years time when glasses-less 3D becomes possible of super high density displays.
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I think battery life has a lot to do with this. Apple still wants a 10hr battery life out of it's iPads. Something that cannot be said for Vita etc...
It's funny cause A5 blew away Tegra 2. I bet you that A5X will be able to hang with Tegra 3's just fine performance wise.
Only in numbers. I'm sure whatever upcoming android tablets being released soon, won't be able to touch the UI and APP performance of even an iPad 2.
I'm so fucking bitter right now.
No doubt. I compared my iPad 2 to a colleagues galaxy tab running the same games next to each other and the tab was almost half the frame rate in some cases.
MontTrain: It's (the Vita) a quad core ARM 9 with a SGX543MP4+ GPU. I'm rather curious about the design of the A5X, to my understanding the 543 has a 1:1 relationship with arm cores. Anyone have any details on this? How non-standard of design would Apple have to do for the A5X to have 2 543s for every 1 A9 core?
Kung Fu Jedi
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There weren't any rumors to begin with. Everything I've seen said that the service would be introduced late in the year. Those same rumors also suggested that negotiations with the networks wasn't going well.
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Mr. Wonderful
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Really though, I don't know if we're going to be potentially missing anything with the processor being dual-core over quad-core.
What specifically do you need a quad-core for over a dual-core. I would imagine by sticking with dual-core over quad-core, we're going to see a massive increase in CPU clocks, so that rather than having 4 cores at 1GHz, we're going to have 2 highly optimized cores at, let's say, 1.5GHz.
What specifically do you need a quad-core for over a dual-core. I would imagine by sticking with dual-core over quad-core, we're going to see a massive increase in CPU clocks, so that rather than having 4 cores at 1GHz, we're going to have 2 highly optimized cores at, let's say, 1.5GHz.
JCreasy
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Someone speak to this please
I think people were imagining the A6 allowing developers to do jaw dropping things we haven't seen anywhere else.
And by people, I mean me.
I fully agree, my only question is the GPU. If Apple stuck with the 543 like it looks they did, and which it looks like they specifically chose so that it could be extended, how were they able to design a dual core CPU with a quad core GPU, and if they didn't did they switch GPUs?
Pagusas
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my only concern is what the GPU will be capable of doing with such a high resolution. Either most 3D games are going to be super simple, or most 3d games will not be run at the native resolution. If the PS3/360 struggle at 1280x720, and can barely do 1920x1080, i cant imagine what a mobile gpu can do at 2048x1536
same. I hope they can boost power enough that its slightly faster than ipad 2, even though its driving 4x the pixels. If its treading water, or even slightly slower (due to massive increase in screen res) then I'll be disappointed.
Also enough RAM for nice hires textures in games and holding onto at least 3-4 tabs in safari without refreshing
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5163/asus-eee-pad-transformer-prime-nvidia-tegra-3-review/3
Check that out, iPad 2 vs. Transformer Prime (with Tegra 3). I'm not worried about A5X in the slightest, Apple will put in a great CPU/GPU combo. I actually take back what I said, I think A5X is going to blow away Tegra 3.
Kung Fu Jedi
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Not really ridiculous. Of course all technology in three years is going to be faster and better, but if they're going to release a quad-core iPhone in six months, perhaps alongside a revamped iOS 6 that is further optimized for a quad-core, I'd sure as heck like to have the hardware for it in my iPad. Considering the devs have already seen references to a quad-core processor in iOS 5, we all know its not far away.
Dreams-Visions
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well shit.
Slurpy2k20
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Yeah, I'm sure they will be better, especially with all those amazing Android tablet apps. Hopefully a quad-core will be enough to enable smooth scrolling on whatever shit skins their tablet of choice happens to have. A blind test asking someone if their tablet is dual or quad core would be hilarious, because noone would have fucking idea if they didn't read the spec sheet.
Slurpy2k20
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..and, there you go. I remember when the iPad 2 was released everyone mocked it because it was 'underpowered' and was going to be destroyed by Tegra3 devices. How'd that work out? It ended up eating them for breakfast performance wise. The A5X will likely do the same.
brain_stew
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There's no relationship at all. Completely down to the system integrator.
1024x768 with 4xmsaa and a 2048x1536 HUD will look fantastic. Hopefully Apple makes it easy for developers to use solutions like that.
Dual A9s @ ~1.2ghz and a SGX543MP4 @~300mhz with 1GB LPDDR2 is the right sort of solution imo, quad A9s isn't going to make that much of a difference.
It's like the megapixel race, people just look at the number (number of cores in this case) and think that it means it will be far better automatically. Nvidia has been putting in weak GPU's into their Tegra products (at least in comparison to Apple's A# series). It's not just the number of cores that matters but exactly what the cores are made from, the clock speed and the type of GPU's used. I think it's safe to say that Apple won't disappoint here considering the fantastic, class-leading performance of A4/A5 for when they launched. Think about it, The Tegra 3 just recently launched in the transformer prime, iPad 2 launched a year ago...and even then the Tegra 3 struggles to keep up with A5.
I think the iPhone 5 will have the A5X in it. I'd almost be willing to take a ban bet on it. I think Apple is going to try and apply their tick-tock development methods that they do with OS X on hardware.
New Insides: Slightly modified Outsides
New Outsides:Updated Insides
etc, etc.
So we will see an iPhone 5S with an A6 and the iPhone 5 body.*
*I think
brain_stew: Cool, thanks. I was hoping you would come and help me out, my understanding of the architecture is only so-so.
brain_stew
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No one that actually understands the SOC market ever said that.
Gamecocks625
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Be careful. I said the same thing with the next iPad being called iPad HD because I thought it was incredibly lame of Apple. Now the rumors are pouring in that it will in fact be called iPad HD. haha
That said, I could see the A5X in iPhone 5, too. I don't think the A5X is a one-and-done processor. It will be in Apple TV 3 and probably whatever iPod touch upgrade comes along the way, too.
brain_stew
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They're totally separate products from separate companies, Intel pair SGX cores with x86 Atom CPUs for example.
Dreams-Visions
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...and few people understand the SoC market. How many GAFers do you think do? Be realistic.
I think when Apple evaluates a chip for their tablets they also take into consideration on whether to not they will be able to effectively use it for the the iPhone in the fall without killing the battery life. I think quad core won't work for iPhone 5, you can already see the effect that the dual-core A5 has had on battery life on the iPhone 4S (100 hours less standby).
So my prediction is that A5X for iPad 3, miniaturized under clocked (800mhz) A5X for iPhone 5 and a dual core A6 (using dual-A15 cores instead of quad-A9) for iPad 4. I don't think apple is going to go quad core at all. Ban bet motherfuckers.
Gamecocks625
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Did you mean that for iPad 4? A dual-core A15?
Is it advantageous to stay with the same number of cores (ie. dual core A9 and then to a dual core A15) as opposed to potentially going from dual to quad and then maybe back to dual?
I think they could go quad A6 for 4th generation iPad and then a dual A6 for the 7th generation iPhone.
I'm probably sticking my foot in my mouth again, but isn't one of the features of the ARM Cortex-15 the ability to allow the implementor better scale how many cores they want to put in?
Brain_stew: I had no idea Intel was using SGX for their Atom processors, I figured they would come up with their own GPU solution, however I have not looked at that line of processor in quite a few years.
Gamecocks625: Yeah, I can see Apple reusing as many of the same parts as possible, and the longer they keep a chip around the cheaper it gets for them. It seems like a very Cook thing to do.
Yes, sorry, just revised my post. From what I've read a dual-A15 should be quite a bit better than a quad-A9. I think Apple is just going to stay away from quad core altogether for the foreseeable future.
Hard to see through that grammar, but I believe the answer is that Apple owes me value when I give them money.
Unlike some, I don't merely accept Apple's decisions as the natural and best conclusions to all possible routes.
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