Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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JoeBoy101 said:
That was a funny scene too. Integration Port.

And hell, more than crush, since you can do the horizontal tango with her.
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Indeed, when talking to Tali later at the bar, for me she wondered aloud how her father would take to her and her human boyfriend.

Game at least let things come together nicely between my primary male Paragon (Vanguard) and Tali. This save had a Liara romance in ME1 but I stayed focused and fessed up about Tali early, so no fireworks there (assuming there are if I led her on further).

Anyway, now going in with 6400 or so whatchamacallit points, 3200+ points after being halved by that war readiness nonsense. I enjoyed the ride to this point, now to experience the ending mess(es) first-hand.
 
Plywood said:
Please tell me there is a higher res version of this.
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I think a friend shopped it from something else when he finished it and send it to me over live messenger.
So i googled it and this is what i found i assume this is the source.

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I like this one time to make it my ava.
 
I was pretty disappointed by the ending, like mostly everyone here. I'm more surprised at how they seemed ok with closing off the series. I know they said they wanted to have it as a trilogy, but the universe had enough content to see more adventures with new characters. It's disappointing to see them close it out like this. I mean really, what can you do now that the mass relays are destroyed? Hell, what about all those distant worlds that relied on them for AID and communication? Aren't they doomed now that galaxy's main form of transport is gone?
 
The Anti-Monitor said:
You can't? It fits in the story so much better than their previous companion DLCs, it was fairly obvious it was. Unless you mean from a moral standpoint, and in that case... EA
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Yeah it was the latter, probably should have worded it better. My mistake! And I fully agree it was highly plot relevant btw.
 
ezekial45 said:
I was pretty disappointed by the ending, like mostly everyone here. I'm more surprised at how they seemed ok with closing off the series. I know they said they wanted to have it as a trilogy, but the universe had enough content to see more adventures with new characters. It's disappointing to see them close it out like this. I mean really, what can you do now that the mass relays are destroyed? Hell, what about all those distant worlds that relied on them for AID and communication? Aren't they doomed now that galaxy's main form of transport is gone?
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I don't even get WHY relays were destroyed. It would make more sense if we were given a choice to use the relays to destroy Reapers in the whole galaxy and sacrifice them in the process (low war assets) or just fire the Crucible, destroy most Reapers on Earth and then hope to beat the rest of them in normal combat (high war assets) Instead, the relays had to be destroyed because lol SPACE MAGIC DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE SENSE!
 
Is there a Codex entry about the predecessors for the Protheans? What were they called again?

Javik says Illos was originally that race's planet so I assume those tentacle people were them, obviously not the Protheans.
 
X-Frame said:
Is there a Codex entry about the predecessors for the Protheans? What were they called again?

Javik says Illos was originally that race's planet so I assume those tentacle people were them, obviously not the Protheans.
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It is retconned. Probablyfor stupid shit like "oh crap we can't animate tentacles properly, LET'S JUST MODEL JAVIK AFTER THE COLLECTORS". They did the same thing to the Quenari in Dragon Age.
 
Not very satisfied with the ending. I'm glad it was not "running into the sunset", but I'm agree it could have been way better.

However, the rest of the game was great and I really enjoyed it. Story wise, the most shocking moment was Tali suiciding over the lost of the Quarian, I actually couldn't bear with it and reloaded. The Quarians are pricks and the Geth had all the right to do what they did, but I'm not going to lose Tali over it :P I just saw there is an option for peace if you have a proper save with the right choices.

Drunk Tali, and "I just want you for your body, Valkarian" Tali are some of the best moments of the game.

Loved a lot of aspects of the game, there was a lot of variety, some intense moments and the combat was fun. I enjoyed it overall.
 
Kind of surprised we didn't get to go back and take Omega from Cerberus. Was a little disappointed when Aria brought it up, and then nothing.
 
Meh, protheans in ME3 look pretty cool, I don't mind the change. It's like the Batarians changing from their ME1 codex entry to ME2.

There's lots of serious issues with this game (mostly related to the ending), but a simple redesign isn't that important.
 
Rebel Leader said:
I only played the games nothing else... I just thought that after invadeing the collectors ship because TIM says so.. and something about the collectors DNA
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The Collector's should have been a separate species. But they're just one of many problems the second game added to the trilogy.

And it still drives me crazy that Mordin - a scientist - meanders about souls when he's doing his ridiculous gene-splicing/cyborg-conversion explanation for the bug collectors.
 
BeesEight said:
The Collector's should have been a separate species. But they're just one of many problems the second game added to the trilogy.

And it still drives me crazy that Mordin - a scientist - meanders about souls when he's doing his ridiculous gene-splicing/cyborg-conversion explanation for the bug collectors.
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I see your point

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Going by that.... The collectors could of been a species that opposed the protheans(sp) and turned to the reapers in desperation
 
I'm fine with the structure of the ending. It would be great to know that my carefully choreographed maneuvers saved as many people as possible. However, I'm comfortable with the game challenging that expectation.

The details absolutely kill it for me. It's too incomplete with too many missed opportunities. "The Reapers harvest organic life to control synthetics." Throw me some dialogue to challenge that by pointing to my work with EDI and the Geth. If Citadel Space Orphan wants to claim that Reapers preserve civilization... Show me! The only characterization ever given to Sovereign and Harbinger is that of destroyer. Civilizations they preserve never shine through. Since we're not given a chance to see true preservation then Reapers may as well be animated tombstones. Why doesn't Citadel Space Orphan make a more convincing plea to preserve the memory of millions of years of civilization? If you're not going to bother then go down the route where Reapers are just another form of life. I got a better sense of preservation from the creation of the Crucible than I ever did from a Reaper.

The Crucible is the real Reaper.

If you are going to take a risky cataclysmic approach with the ending you can not fuck up the details this badly.
 
Rebel Leader said:
I see your point
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More specifically (at the risk of unnecessarily clarifying a point), making the Collector's mutated Protheans added nothing to the narrative. It was a cheap plot twist that generated far more questions then it answered. Even the explanation for it didn't make any sense when the two characters (EDI and Mordin who are the voices of rationality) attempt to justify it.

Leaving them as just a race that lived beyond the Omega Relay was a fine explanation. It was already proposed that they escaped destruction by the Reapers from hiding there. Turning them into some bizarre genetic experiment runs counter to Sovereign's goals, makes their baby Reaper plan incongruent and didn't help the final theme/story of the third act.
 
pa22word said:
Kinda surprised the image doesn't make reference of the quote from the prothean squadmate when he flat out says the Prothean culture was several different subjugated species (which is a BLATANT retcon).
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Yeah that's what I was about to bring up. Mac Walters can't even keep track of what he was writing at the time or had just written when he made that tweet. And he's the lead writer.

Are you fucking serious Bioware??
 
Derrick01 said:
Yeah that's what I was about to bring up. Mac Walters can't even keep track of what he was writing at the time or had just written when he made that tweet. And he's the lead writer.

Are you fucking serious Bioware??
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Wait... what? he actually says that? BRB going to youtube
 
Rebel Leader said:
Wait... what? he actually says that? BRB going to youtube
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You mean the prothean? Yeah I remember him saying that anyone could be integrated into the prothean society but if they refused they were exterminated. That's a big part of why Liara was so disgusted with him because she thought they were some benevolent God-like species.
 
"This is the end of Shepard’s story. As with any burgeoning franchise, you meet the fans and realize they’re really into it and it’s such a big space. But this is the last story that will be in this time period. There won’t be any more stories with Shepard. Of course, there’s more potential elsewhere in the universe. They’ll also be more books and comics."

Well I guess thats that.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/20...-difficulty-in-writing-a-branching-narrative/
 
Any possibility that the Prothean statues and the actual Prothean character look different because the Reapers were actively meddling with their DNA? It seems like a reach, but unless it's specifically ruled out, who knows?

Also, regarding the Protheans being one species or many species: perhaps they are indeed one unified species, but with a culture that is an assimilation of the other "preserved" cultures?

I'm still in an odd sense of disbelief with the ending. I don't really mind the series being "over," but it was just so... out of place. I wouldn't have minded the choices presented, even, if they were more fleshed out and more in-line with the "laws of the universe," if you will, like having an explained technological background, instead of being rooted in what we're all affectionately called Space Magic.
 
Perfect Cha0s said:
Any possibility that the Prothean statues and the actual Prothean character look different because the Reapers were actively meddling with their DNA? It seems like a reach, but unless it's specifically ruled out, who knows?

Also, regarding the Protheans being one species or many species: perhaps they are indeed one unified species, but with a culture that is an assimilation of the other "preserved" cultures?

I'm still in an odd sense of disbelief with the ending. I don't really mind the series being "over," but it was just so... out of place. I wouldn't have minded the choices presented, even, if they were more fleshed out and more in-line with the "laws of the universe," if you will, like having an explained technological background, instead of being rooted in what we're all affectionately called Space Magic.
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I was wondering this as well. I don't understand the Prothean statues and the actual Prothean design -> indoctrination?
 
I think the most upsetting part to me is that they created a great scifi universe. Possible the most worked out 'original' scifi universe in a game series. And they just completely destroyed it in 10 minutes time. It would be like the whole Star Wars universe being destroyed at the end of Return Of The Jedi.

Sure there were flaws but I can't think of another universe recently created that was as fleshed out as the one in Mass Effect. Because only books and videogames allow for that kind of depth. The possibilities for games set in that universe is practicly endless as long as they make it fit.

Sure you can set a movie in a universe that is more complex. But you couldn't flesh out a universe as well in a movie because you have a story to tell while in a game the player can discover things for themselves. Even if it's just written text.

edit: Not that I'm homophobic or something. But did the series become gayer and gayer? I think there were like 4-5 situations where I was confronted with homosexual characters. I was expecting a gay pride parade in the citadel at some point. Not that I'm bothered by gay people. But it did take me out of the experience considering I'm not confronted with gay people on a hourly basis in real life. Or is the future supposed to be like that? Like how everyone turns gay at some point in The Forever War because of overpopulation.
 
Perfect Cha0s said:
Any possibility that the Prothean statues and the actual Prothean character look different because the Reapers were actively meddling with their DNA? It seems like a reach, but unless it's specifically ruled out, who knows?

Also, regarding the Protheans being one species or many species: perhaps they are indeed one unified species, but with a culture that is an assimilation of the other "preserved" cultures?
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Easier to handwave away by saying that they weren't depicting actual protheans - maybe they were from an earlier cycle or depicting some other race and just made by the protheans.
And Javik says that the protheans conquered other races and those who bowed eventually started calling themselves prothean as well. They were assimilated into the prothean culture - which caused their downfall with the reapers since everyone was using the same strats.
 
the funny thing is Amazon refunded my order for the digital version of ME3 and recently, EA and Amazon sent me a promotional code good for 1 free game! ME1, DA:O or Mirrors Edge..
 
Tacitus_ said:
Easier to handwave away by saying that they weren't depicting actual protheans - maybe they were from an earlier cycle or depicting some other race and just made by the protheans.
And Javik says that the protheans conquered other races and those who bowed eventually started calling themselves prothean as well. They were assimilated into the prothean culture - which caused their downfall with the reapers since everyone was using the same strats.
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I see. By the way, is From Ashes worth the $10? I'm not really concerned with the character himself so much as I am the mission itself.
 
Perfect Cha0s said:
I see. By the way, is From Ashes worth the $10? I'm not really concerned with the character himself so much as I am the mission itself.
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I think it's more worth it for the character than for the mission. Javik was my favorite character in ME3. He's really well integrated into the game, unlike Zaeed or Kasumi in ME2.
 
I think a lot of the writing in ME3 was great, but mostly the dialogue and other things. The overall story is just terribad. It's like someone came up with the story and just gave it to some good dialogue writers and went "Hey, work with this. Let me know when it's done."
 
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