Well the character is great, the mission is OK. Javik is seamlessly placed into the main narrative and really changes the tone of a couple of main missions. The only mission you get with the DLC is the mission to recover him on Eden Prime, which quite short and simple.
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Well the character is great, the mission is OK. Javik is seamlessly placed into the main narrative and really changes the tone of a couple of main missions. The only mission you get with the DLC is the mission to recover him on Eden Prime, which quite short and simple.
The mission lasts 15 minutes and doesn't really differ from any other N7 mission in the game, you push two switches and defend against Cerberus. The only good part are cutscenes depicting flashbacks from Prothean past, if you are interested in the lore.
If you are just interested in the mission do not buy the DLC. It is not worth it at that price.
It was my 2nd most used squadmate. I took Liara everywhere (stasis) and that character can set up biotic bombs with Liara.
XANDER CAGE
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The ME series in a nutshell for me, really. Individually great characters and some cool situations, but the overarching plotlines are less so.
Mirror's Edge. Don't look back, just save yourself from this fools errand of a story!
Banana Kid
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Beat it last night. I loved the entire end right up to Ghost Kid and the space magic, which fucking ruined it for me.
I've still got my second Shepard who I was really looking forward to finishing the trilogy with, but that ending frustrated me so much that I don't really want to play it again.
The whole game was so dark and hopeless, all I really wanted was my Return of the Jedi ending where everything's okay. Instead, it always ends badly for Shepard, the crew is kind of fucked, and the galaxy I really loved is totally destroyed. Not worth it.
I've still got my second Shepard who I was really looking forward to finishing the trilogy with, but that ending frustrated me so much that I don't really want to play it again.
The whole game was so dark and hopeless, all I really wanted was my Return of the Jedi ending where everything's okay. Instead, it always ends badly for Shepard, the crew is kind of fucked, and the galaxy I really loved is totally destroyed. Not worth it.
What a weird goddamn game. The vast majority of it is really, really good; I'd say head and shoulders above both previous Mass Effect games, albeit with some notable exceptions. There were a lot of things that I noticed as I was playing through that game that I was sure I'd want to talk about once it was over. Lots of really positive things, where I think Bioware did their best work ever, as well as some areas that seemed sort of out of place or that could have been improved.
Yet I can't really even start to bring it up without getting back onto the subject of how much of a catastrophic fuckup the ending was. Not even the whole ending: Everything up until Shepard and Anderson having a quiet moment bleeding out while they look out over Earth was pretty good (not perfect, and obviously not conclusive, but satisfying enough). It doesn't really make sense to feel that way; it's basically the last five minutes on a 30~35 hour game. It can't invalidate everything (mostly good) that came before it. A book isn't its last sentence. But it's such a goddamn spectacle of shit that it just draws your attention no matter how hard you try to ignore it.
It's like a reverse Mass Effect 1. The final moments are so at odds with the rest of the game quality-wise that you end up remembering it by them. Except that the ending of Mass Effect 1 wasn't nearly as awesome as the ending of Mass Effect 3 was shitty.
Yet I can't really even start to bring it up without getting back onto the subject of how much of a catastrophic fuckup the ending was. Not even the whole ending: Everything up until Shepard and Anderson having a quiet moment bleeding out while they look out over Earth was pretty good (not perfect, and obviously not conclusive, but satisfying enough). It doesn't really make sense to feel that way; it's basically the last five minutes on a 30~35 hour game. It can't invalidate everything (mostly good) that came before it. A book isn't its last sentence. But it's such a goddamn spectacle of shit that it just draws your attention no matter how hard you try to ignore it.
It's like a reverse Mass Effect 1. The final moments are so at odds with the rest of the game quality-wise that you end up remembering it by them. Except that the ending of Mass Effect 1 wasn't nearly as awesome as the ending of Mass Effect 3 was shitty.
mercenar1e
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My galaxy crappiness is at 92% . Please tell me the maximum is 100%. I better be able to change the ending with all my 7000 space magic asset.
Hopefully when you have enough the little kid disappear entirely and you simply die, sparing your mind the neurodegeneration caused by the little space kid catalyst.
Hopefully when you have enough the little kid disappear entirely and you simply die, sparing your mind the neurodegeneration caused by the little space kid catalyst.
darkpaladinmfc
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The mission itself isn't anything special, but the character is awesome. Seeing as you're already in the spoiler thread you've probably beat the game, but if you ever play the game again make sure you have it. It was a huge dick move by Bioware to make Javik DLC, it's like if they made Legion in ME2 DLC.
I'm glad that this is the end of Shepard's story, so that I don't feel any commitment towards buying any future Mass Effect games. All I really want is some quality DLC (primarily a proper epilogue that explains the fate of the galaxy, important characters, and Shepard if he survived) and then I'm done with this series.
Yeah Javik being made DLC was pure asshole move by Bioware. He adds alot to the backstory of the whole thing and his character is rather interesting including the awesome gun he comes with.
Really?
That picture missed something in ME2. During a side mission, you get a clearer (modified) playback of the ME1 cutscene from the beacon. In it, you see reaper creatures killing protheans, and the design of protheans there match up much closer to the ME3 From Ashes prothean.
Just saying. Not defending the changes, but there is a bit of transition point.
Schweinehund
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Just beat it.
I'm curious, the final conversation with the illusive man...
Are you suppose to not be able to take the renegade/paragon option? I did all the quests in the game that I could find, reputation bar was full, was like 99% paragon with a smidge of renegade, I could do all the paragon options up until that final conversation. I ended up having to do a renegade action to shoot the illusive man.
Took the synthetic/human option. Wonder if shepard is rebuilt after that
. I'll probably do the control reaper option on my renegade.
I'm curious, the final conversation with the illusive man...
Are you suppose to not be able to take the renegade/paragon option? I did all the quests in the game that I could find, reputation bar was full, was like 99% paragon with a smidge of renegade, I could do all the paragon options up until that final conversation. I ended up having to do a renegade action to shoot the illusive man.
Took the synthetic/human option. Wonder if shepard is rebuilt after that
. I'll probably do the control reaper option on my renegade.Just beat it.
I'm curious, the final conversation with the illusive man...
Are you suppose to not be able to take the renegade/paragon option? I did all the quests in the game that I could find, reputation bar was full, was like 99% paragon with a smidge of renegade, I could do all the paragon options up until that final conversation. I ended up having to do a renegade action to shoot the illusive man.
Took the synthetic/human option. Wonder if shepard is rebuilt after that
Paragon/Renegade means nothing anymore, as long as your reputation is high enough you can choose either option, even if your 100% renegade you can still choose the Paragon option. So with you, you obviously didnt max out your Reputation bar to achieve that final level of persuasion.
CAW
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Am I the only one who doesn't see that as a renegade option? If anything I saw the destroy option as the renegade decision.
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EmCeeGramr
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It really feels like the Bioware writing staff had a completely different idea than their audience as to what "choice" means to story-based RPG players. To anyone who's connected with the ME story, the choices we made were made in hopes of seeing their resolution with some kind of cathartic curtain call. Bioware seemed to think of them as numbers in a giant "Will Shepard know what answer to give the hologram child and/or survive blowing up the galaxy" meter.
also it's funny that shepard literally does more damage to the galaxy with his "heroic self sacrifice" than what the reapers themselves do
also it's funny that shepard literally does more damage to the galaxy with his "heroic self sacrifice" than what the reapers themselves do
I did all the endings, but my first paragon Sheppard choice is the reaper control option. I'm not killing off Edi, the Geth and the memory of countless civilizations because Citadel Space Orphan is an idiot. Synesthesia would be my #2 choice if it was given more context. ME2 spent a lot of time detailing the dangers of unearned technological progress.Just beat it.
I'm curious, the final conversation with the illusive man...
Are you suppose to not be able to take the renegade/paragon option? I did all the quests in the game that I could find, reputation bar was full, was like 99% paragon with a smidge of renegade, I could do all the paragon options up until that final conversation. I ended up having to do a renegade action to shoot the illusive man.
Took the synthetic/human option. Wonder if shepard is rebuilt after that
Yes.
Schweinehund
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It looks pretty damn full to me. Only had two incomplete quests on citadel, were fetch quests. Ended game at level 55 with level 29 import. Also to add I took the passive reputation bonus from the passive skill tree. So either this game expects you to do 100% of everything in order to pass the final persuasion check or its a bug. I'm going with two since I was able to talk saren into killing himself in ME1 and always was able to pass the checks in 2.
Once you are done talking to the catalyst, there's three walkways. Left is to destroy synthetics, middle is to change everyone into human/synth, right is to take control of the collectors. I think you can take any path regardless of alignment.
edit: Oh, you mean did I view it morally bad? I think the part where they said the cycle would repeat is what makes it a morally wrong choice, for me.
HarryHengst
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I thought the statues on Ilos were simply considered Prothean by the current species (it seemed the go-to answer for everything they couldnt explain), but im sure Javik said something about those statues being an even older race.
Schweinehund
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70%
75% done maybe?
Synthesis is better than that.
LumpOfCole
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Playing God and rewriting the DNA of all sentient beings without their permission when an option exists to simply steer the Reapers away is not better. It's actually against everything that Shepard had been fighting across all three games.
The save file mentions that there are three end game states: Not Finished, Lived to Fight Again, and Out In A Blaze Of Glory (same as in Mass Effect 2).
Edit: My NewGamePlus.pcsav is flagged as "Lived to Fight Again". I am not sure if this is a result of starting a NG+ career or if it reflects my decision to Destroy Synthetics / Save Shepard. Would anyone who chose the Control or Synthesis ending be willing to share their NewGamePlus.pcsav file? I would like to see if those endings affect the endgame state.
But Joker and EDI can now fuck, green space magic is best space magic!
Out of all the retcons in ME, the Prothean/Collector is doesn't bother me at all. I was expecting From Ashes to be mediocre, but it and all the backstory and interaction with Javik was one of the most memorable aspects of the game.
This! I wanted to save as many people as possible, but not knowing the extent of the damage from synthesis was too big of a risk. Forcibly altering the DNA of ever single sentient being in the galaxy (both synthetics and organics) is as good as killing them IMO. The Reapers had to die, especially after hearing that ridiculous excuse provided by the Cipher.
Not sure if posted already but this video cracked me up. http://youtu.be/bIzzCIQAm7Y
Seems a small price to pay for Peace between everyone forever.
Plus with everyone including the reapers being at peace there's a chance the mass relays could be rebuilt.
Schweinehund
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Anyway to see tali's face?
Was so pissed when we took back her homeworld and it never showed her face but teased us again :|.
Was so pissed when we took back her homeworld and it never showed her face but teased us again :|.
HarryHengst
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Just do a google search, its all over the internet by now.
HarryHengst
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Synthesis ending: http://www.mediafire.com/?jumu0m0m5523va8
Worth the 800 points?
Like I said when I brought this up a bunch of pages back, my original end game choice and my most recent end game choice was Synthesis and then Control and my NG+ save says "Live to Fight Again." Its most likely just a legacy thing from ME2 that BioWare used or a legacy from the ME2 save editor which the current one is based on.
I think a better save to check would be that of someone who didnt have enough EMS to save Anderson or save Earth. If any ending were to get the "Out In A Blaze of Glory" it would be that.
Thanks! It appears as though all of the NG+ saves are flagged as "Live to Fight Again." Any other save file is considered "Not Finished."
Oops! My mistake. I must have missed your post.
EmCeeGramr
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You know I've wondered if Bioware would eventually go back and remake ME1 to be more in the style of the later two games, just to make the whole series more "consistent" to latecomers.
But then I realized that an ME1 remake would end with Saren telling Shepard that the Reapers need to exist to save us all, and Shepard saying "Okay," and picking one of three magical choices as to how the invasion will happen.
But then I realized that an ME1 remake would end with Saren telling Shepard that the Reapers need to exist to save us all, and Shepard saying "Okay," and picking one of three magical choices as to how the invasion will happen.
Schweinehund
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Found it.
Still disappointed. Seems like they didn't want to go through the trouble of modeling a quarian's face.
That ending is what Saren wanted i think.
This was one of the suggested videos (related to ME3's Tali) and I have to admit I thought it was pretty damned funny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JwLLk3f4yU
Nothing really changes the incoherence of the ending, but destroying the Reapers makes the most sense IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvypGrIG4B4
I guess thats why joker was running off with the normandy. This ending had the blast destroying everything.
They just applied this to all the endings even when the normandy wasn't in danger >.>.
I guess thats why joker was running off with the normandy. This ending had the blast destroying everything.
They just applied this to all the endings even when the normandy wasn't in danger >.>.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Synthesis makes the most sense. It gives he future the best possible chance for recovery.
dragonelite
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I read the interview and had to look up Catharsis meant on wikipedia not really into literature.
Lets say the description of the word and my feeling were almost the same.
this is the quote "me" is the interviewer.
Wikipedia description of Carthatic.
So they wanted us to hate the franchise???
Job well done he should write for hollywood.
Apophenia Overload
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I know it's not really in Bioware's style, but this is a case where Kojima's work in MGS works, regardless how ludicrous his plots get: have fake footage playing during exposition scenes. Fictional videos, pictures of covers of documents, historical characters interacting. Makes it a hundred times more immersive and compelling.
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