Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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The Librarian
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That doesn't make any sense. The species of the galaxy didn't know the Catalyst was on the Citadel the Protheans sure didn't know. And why would the Catalyst collaborate on a project that would destroy him? Why would he collaborate on such a project at all? What purpose does it serve?
That's all ignoring how organic species were able to find it between cycles over and over again.
Yeah the bar part was obvious but with Bioware I never know if always saying the nice things will get someone in bed with me or not. That's how it always used to work at least. I just didn't want to take a chance and screw up my thing with Ashley.
No it wasn't.
There was no resolution in that game, and it was only the second in the series.
Lifejumper
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To be certain:
V was the maximum level your weapons could be upgraded right?
V was the maximum level your weapons could be upgraded right?
X if you do NG+
Karak
Member
I think I realized why I'm not as distressed as most people about the ending.
You never played DA2, right?
Bahahaha. No I did. But I had 3 games, and what...6-8 years to get me ready for this. LOTS of invested time and decisions that were going to crop up. At the very least give 1 hero ending for the most MAJOR hero video game trilogy that might have ever been made.
I think any dev should have thought of that. I don't care if it was some tester just making sure that Shepards head worked right in cutscenes. He should have thrown his controller down and ran up and SLAPPED Casey in his face and said, "Bullshit. Remove cock from ass and return mind to task!"
Apophenia Overload
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I think it's not even the nonsensical content of the endings that's the worst part. It's the low amount of effort, the fact that each ending is a palette swap of each other, that's the worst anti-climax in the history of gaming. Which makes me wonder where we would be today if those endings, with the same nonsense and ideas ripped from Deus Ex, were fleshed out slightly and we got to see Alliance troops cheering as the Reapers all explode or the cyborg children of Joker and EDI or Reaper Shepard flying with his death fleet 50k years later into a galaxy ruled by evolved space hamsters. Would a few minutes worth of a montage of scenes be enough to have placated fans, even if the endings were dark and nonsensical?
Freeza Under The Shower
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Bolded: exactly.
heliosRAzi
Banned
But the species somehow knew about the Catalyst. wat.
Zomba13
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The lvl X DLC wep must be a fucking beast. Lvl V is What I used throughout the game, also that AWESOME sticky bomb launcher pistol.
You can upgrade your weapons...?
I went through the entirety of Insanity with an adept and thought all we could do was change weapons and mods. Oh well.
Step 1: Walk in on the crew mate in the shower
Step 2: "Deal with it"
Step 3: Ask if it was good for them. If yes, they were romantically interested.
All they knew was that it was the citadel. They never knew that it was the most advanced AI in the history of the galaxy, and the controller of the Reapers.
There's a terminal in the shuttle bay to buy upgrades. It's near the weapon bench.
As always.. space magic. This exactly why a lot of people thought it was really a reaper device that would actually backfire and help the culling process. A little obvious, sure, but at least it would show the reapers as little more clever by making the civilizations waste their last resources in desperation, building it.
But in the end, it was just a container for three buckets of space magic colors, so I guess it wasn't that hard to make.
Pound Vega DLC coming, I can feel it.
Imagine that you watched episodes 1~3 of Star Wars, and then at the end of ep3 you were told that the other later movies didn't happen (as in, New Hope, etc), and then Lucas stepped in front of you and spit on your face. Meanwhile in the background all you can hear is child Anakin explaining to grown up Anakin that maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if he killed himself.
This has been the feeling since day one. However, at least in the previous games there was a neutral third option.
Space Jesus is resurrected, and is killed once again for sins.
dragonelite
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I ocd squad talking so i go talking to everybody after each mission didn't even meet him at the bar last thing i remember with cortez was giving him advice to go to the citadel and ask what he did to pass time he said watching ships fly in and out of port so i said next time on citadel just do that. And we watch ships fly by and paragon action was ask what ship was flying by.
I just wanted to be a supportive friend but in most of those movies it becomes that cheesy moment where boy kisses girl and girl just was supportive friend awkward moment.
And we are talking about bioware here.
I saw that, but I never bothered messing with it because I thought it'd just make ignoring my guns more complicated. It's okay; I needed that -200% cooldown bonus a lot more.
DAII Endings:
You side with the Templar. Orsino is revealed to be an evil blood mage. Meredith is insane because of her sword made from the idol and attack you even if you support her view. Mages across Ferelden overthrow the templars. Magi Circles are destroyed, chantry is in ruin.
You side with the Mages. Orsino is revealed to be an evil blood mage. Meredith is insane because of her sword made from the idol and attack you because you protect the mages. Mages across Ferelden overthrow the templars. Magi Circles are destroyed, chantry is in ruin.
ME3 Endings :
You choose to destroy the reapers and the geth. You get a red explosion, the Normandy gets stranded on some magic jungle land and the mass relays are destroyed.
You choose to control the reapers. You get a blue explosion, the Normandy gets stranded on some magic jungle land and the mass relays are destroyed.
You choose to merge organic and synthetic life which is very easy to do for some reason. You get a green explosion, the Normandy gets stranded on some magic jungle land and the mass relays are destroyed. Characters eyes on the jungle are green because they are now cyborg.
Zomba13
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Basically the series has been built up around your choices and the consequences to your actions so you expect them to matter in the ending.
They don't.
The endings are also of the 'pick a door' variety as seen in Deus Ex Human Revolution, so another mark against them.
The endings are pretty much just a pallet swap. You have Cherry explosion, Blueberry explosion or Apple explosion. Another mark
The endings are also just bad and make no sense. Just pulled out of Biowares ass.
Psychoward
Banned
It pulled a COMPLETE deus ex machina, negated ALL choices from previous games, was rushed, made about no sense, didn't deal with themes that were in the previous games/didn't make sense with the themes from the previous games, ignored heavy foreshadowing from 1 and 2, the endings don't vary almost at all, even if they might seem like they do, among other things.
dgrdsv
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You can but that doesn't change much.
Hey, remember these days when Bioware games were RPGs? Those days were good.
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
... that's.... why there was no resolution.
Speaking of which: that lesbian shower scene was soooooooo cheesy, Bioware. Apparently in the future, people take a shower in their underwear.
Oh. Yeah, most of the conversations with Cortez were extremely cheesy. I thought you meant if you rejected him, things got cheesy.
Three endings are better than two?
In DA2 it was either shit or shit, but in this one it was at least magical. Everyone lives happily ever after, except for you (possibly) because you (possibly) sacrificed yourself for the galaxy.
My femshep fucked mai waiffu Liara in her underwear, so it's not a shock that she'd shower in her underwear as well.
The ultimate villain of the game is a macguffin artificial intelligence that culls the galaxy of all advanced organic life every fifty thousand years. It does this using advanced AI's known as Reapers (created from the memories of advanced races). Why does it do this you ask? I shit you not, it does it to prevent organics from creating advanced synthetics. The reason for this is that the synthetics created would wipe out all organic life (and not just most of it), which is clearly worse than a complete organic holocaust every fifty thousand years.
In addition, it jumps ahead thousands of years and doesn't show how any of the main characters made out after the events at the end of the game (except for a select few that land on a tropical planet somewhere. A select few including dead squad mates for some reason.) Then, if you've been a good boy and gotten a high score, you get one frame of Shepard (on the ground after battling the Reaper controller known as the "Catalyst" aboard a hovering space station/weapon that explodes) taking a deep breath.
It was the middle path. I had 3000+ EMS, maybe that's how you unlock it?
Well, Mass Effect was always about choice and how your choices would change the faith of people or whole planets. You were either a warmonger or a peace keeper, it was always your choice.
You created Shepard, you fought against all odds, you created friendships and relations. You could stop wars and be the hero or killed people and be a real bastard. But it was always your choice.
The ending takes away every choice, because nothing you did in the last 5 years had any consequences. With all endings you choose you will kill billions and you will just accept it. They took away the choice, the possibility to fight against all odds to find a solution for everything. You just can accept the choice Bioware has made for you and that really sucks. It so much against everything you played, that it feels just so wrong that some of us even felt a little sick. It was that bad.
And of course the end was also really corny, magic space wizard kid. What a piece of crap.
It wasn't actually green in the game.. it was the big central pillar of light. Jumping in to that made a big green explosion.
I chose that ending because I thought it seemed the most logical.
rollingstart
Banned
It would've been cool if the crucible did fail, because a super weapon pulled out of someone's ass was dumb and it would acknowledge that. Someone was posting that fanfic ending earlier, which, somehow, is better and more mass effect-like than the official ending. If you united all the races against the reapers, you could defeat them in straight up combat. Because Shepard's real victory wasn't talking to space child, but uniting the races in the universe to work together. For all the talk of how the protheans were this dope ancient race, I don't remember talk of the other races that fought alongside them.
Your proposed ending makes less sense than bioware's. It doesn't explain why the reapers show restraint when culling organic life.
And I don't see a problem with what I originally wrote. Makes sense to me. The source of the hypothetical doomsday synthetics is advanced organic life. Destroying advanced organic life before these hypothetical doomsday synthetics are created is a logical way to stop them from being created... unless I'm missing something.
Killing things to preserve life isn't as much of a paradox as it would seem. See: conservation biology, where overdominant species are culled to allow other species to thrive, to maintain genetic diversity and thus maximise the ability of life as a whole to adapt to new environmental pressures.
Quality > Quantity.
And as horrid as DA2 as a whole was, the ending, with the rebellion of the Mages and the looming of an all-out war, is simply better than SPACEMAGIC and no resolution for anyone.
No, I just wanted to show that the endings are similar in DAII and ME3. Your choices actually don't matter in the end. You fight both sides anyway and you cannot stop the mages uproar.
Just like how you can't prevent the Normandy from crashing on fantasy land #233435 and prevent the mass relays from blowing up.
The endings are terrible in both.
Psychoward
Banned
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9763511
Probably already posted, but here it goes again. Analysis of the ending and why many people find it to be so bad.
Probably already posted, but here it goes again. Analysis of the ending and why many people find it to be so bad.
This is the worst part for me. BioWare's essentially destroyed the post-Shepard Mass Effect universe as we know it.
Javik even mentions that in the last mission, how the Protheans never had that rallying cry, and how the races in his time never came together. Pity Bioware was like LOL NOPE.
Apophenia Overload
Member
They could also throw in something like both the synthetic and organic races were playing up to their strengths in a cooperative manner, and the Geth upload some sort of elaborate virus that fucks up the Reapers and it was done because the Prothean squadmate knew a bit about cyberwarfare (despite him not being a scientist and just being a warrior) and because Shepard convinced him to not distrust all synthetics, really sending the message home that friendship is magic, which is less stupid than magic is magic.
Just call Miranda. She probably has all of the data of the Lazarus Project.
Technically speaking, none of the endings kill anyone, unless I'm mistaken. Controlling them...controls them, and they stop killing. Destroying them destroys them...and they stop killing. Synthesizing with them synthesizes with them and they...stop killing.
Edit: Wait, no, I'm wrong. Synthetic people die.
Honestly, that's when the series jumped the shark for me. But then I knew after "your choices matter! (LOL NOT REALLY DUMBFUCKS)" happened in ME2 where e-mails were what "mattered" that ME3 wouldn't tie anything up.
I think we'd take 'ok' or even 'mediocre' over this.
ME3 does tie up a surprising number of issues, though. All the big stuff--the genophage, the geth, etc. And I didn't even mind how the good majority of the smaller characters were resolved through email.TheSeks said:
It's just that the ending invalidates everything.
Lifejumper
Member
So did my squadmates die when rushing to the conduit? Cuz Liara appeared in the final cutscene.
Man I am so confused.
Man I am so confused.
Psychoward
Banned
No, they all magically got on to the Normandy and for some reason went through a relay to a jungle planet.
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