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Heh. I've never seen a single game running on UE3 that never had the problem. That Zelda demo was gorgeous from top to bottom though.
Mark Rein: "I'd be shocked if Wii U doesn't do well." UE3 better than Zelda Demo.
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Heh. I've never seen a single game running on UE3 that never had the problem. That Zelda demo was gorgeous from top to bottom though.
Is this exclusively a console problem with UE3 or does it happen on PC as well?
Worse on consoles, but it's pretty much omnipresent for UE3.
Like you said though, it's all guess work at this point. Developers wont port UE4 games to Wii U though if it can't run the engine regardless of how well it runs UE3. We all know that Rein is talking about fully featured UE4 when he's talking it up. It'll be interesting to see how scalable it is in the end. After all, it's not like fully featured UE3 is possible on PS360 either. A stripped down build of UE4 running on Wii U is still UE4 and will likely be easy to port.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
yup, that's my expectation for this - it's fun living in the dark though, i enjoy the anticipations of launches/launch periods. Like a fun age of rediscovery.
KingJ2002
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Nice...
considering that this generation still saw games running on a modified UE2 engine and the wide adoption of UE3... im sure UE3 wont go away for a long time... especially if the Wii U takes first place again.
im sure UE4 is going to need consoles to be super powerful with a high price point.... with this said... next gen gaming should bring some of the most creative stuff we've ever seen.
considering that this generation still saw games running on a modified UE2 engine and the wide adoption of UE3... im sure UE3 wont go away for a long time... especially if the Wii U takes first place again.
im sure UE4 is going to need consoles to be super powerful with a high price point.... with this said... next gen gaming should bring some of the most creative stuff we've ever seen.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
i'm sure i'm being thrown by the word "again" here but UE adoption this gen was in no way affected by Nintendo.
This time round is going to be completely different - this is going to be a much more accomplished attempted at bringing 3rd parties on board this time with what seems to be a lot of courting of 3rd parties to provide support by appealing on the machines ability to allow for easy ports.
Wii taking first place did little to sway 3rd parties - Wii U will be a whole new ball game, i expect them to get full 3rd party support from several places this time.
edit: yeah, don't worry - i misread it and i think we're saying the same thing.
boiled goose
good with gravy
phosphor112
Banned
Considering I didn't find that tech demo impressive, I don't find the fact that they can achieve "better" with UE3 surprising.
It was simply time... the Wii can't carry on another year or two unlike the 360 and PS3, which seem to be getting more popular than when they first launched
Wii, DS, 3DS. They've made it a point to stay underpowered and have been proud of their stance. Just listen to this guy:
"I don't know that we would be able to sit here and say that it's going to necessarily dramatically outperform the systems that are out now. It's part of the balance that we strike in terms of trying to find entertainment that is new and unique" -Miyamoto talking about none other than the WiiU
didn't notice the lighting did ya?
Not enough Bloom and tesselations
phosphor112
Banned
...yes? It's impressive for a console. But this is a console that is coming out 5-6 years AFTER the start of the "HD" generation. Self-shadows, real time reflections and full shadows have been done before. The major difference is that since this has more RAM, it allows for much better detailed lighting and shadows. But once again, that's natural progression. I'd be MORE than disappointed if that didn't hold true in this case.
Don't worry though, that "tech demo" was made on early devkits not finalized and was a rushjob... I'm sure the final product will yield even better lighting
That quote is from E3 last year, a lot of things can change.
We know some developers have been pushing them for more hardware power.
Until Nintendo comes back and changes their tune, it's probably a safer bet to take their word for it over wishful thinking. Just saying.
I'd wager 400 quatloos that we're going to see a similar reception to the Wii U as we did to the 3DS.
Most people seem to have selective memory regarding the reception to the 3DS. It was overwhelmingly positive on all side. People were applauding the graphical prowess of the machine, devs were saying things like "finally, a portable machine with these kinds of specs," and everyone was creaming their pants at the possibilities. And I just know someone is going to quote me right now and say they didn't find the 3DS impressive. I don't really give a damn if that's how some people remember it; the 3DS' initial debut was strong enough to have pachter jump his "nintendo am doomed" ship and say $250 was too cheap.
But then came vita and suddenly out of nowhere, 3DS was ancient technology powered by sticks and mud. People are going to say wow when they see nintendo's HD games. I guarantee there's going to be at least one exclusive that throws gaf into a frenzy. People will be saying "FINALLY. NINTENDO GOT SMART," and all kind of dumbass remarks. It'll last about half a year to a year until we start seeing 720/PS4 specs and screens. Then Wii U will suddenly be roughly as powerful as a neo geo pocket color by the estimation of many on this board.
It'll be depressing to watch the hyperbole unfold. Hopefully nintendo will be able to emulate the 3DS's recent successes as well (while avoiding its early pitfalls).
Most people seem to have selective memory regarding the reception to the 3DS. It was overwhelmingly positive on all side. People were applauding the graphical prowess of the machine, devs were saying things like "finally, a portable machine with these kinds of specs," and everyone was creaming their pants at the possibilities. And I just know someone is going to quote me right now and say they didn't find the 3DS impressive. I don't really give a damn if that's how some people remember it; the 3DS' initial debut was strong enough to have pachter jump his "nintendo am doomed" ship and say $250 was too cheap.
But then came vita and suddenly out of nowhere, 3DS was ancient technology powered by sticks and mud. People are going to say wow when they see nintendo's HD games. I guarantee there's going to be at least one exclusive that throws gaf into a frenzy. People will be saying "FINALLY. NINTENDO GOT SMART," and all kind of dumbass remarks. It'll last about half a year to a year until we start seeing 720/PS4 specs and screens. Then Wii U will suddenly be roughly as powerful as a neo geo pocket color by the estimation of many on this board.
It'll be depressing to watch the hyperbole unfold. Hopefully nintendo will be able to emulate the 3DS's recent successes as well (while avoiding its early pitfalls).
Well, the same can be said about all previous Zelda demos. So, if they are any indication, we should all be in for a major disappointment.
*puts on flame proof vest*
It's just the nature of tech demos. They seldom give any useful indication about anything regarding games development. And of course the final game will look worse. Yu can't expect that kind of detail in a game like Zelda.
No flame attack here... you'd probably be right. They are demos, not games. There isn't even a Zelda Wii-U title in any kind of development. It was only a rushed tech demo, it was even said as such at E3, and again after E3, but people kept calling it a game.
Vermillion
Banned
Miyamoto works in hardware now?
Same can be said about samaritan, cept the animation in that demo is absolute dogshit.
Ok. Maybe that's a little much. But I just rewatched it and it sure aint great.
I swear I remember hearing about Team Ninja and Gearbox pressing Nintendo hard to improve the Wii U specs, and Nintendo's been listening to their feedback.
I have no doubt in my mind that Wii U has increased in power since last E3. Developers have been very vocal, and Nintendo seems to be listening to developers more than they did before.
I have no doubt in my mind that Wii U has increased in power since last E3. Developers have been very vocal, and Nintendo seems to be listening to developers more than they did before.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
there can be
I'm not sure - i think the rumours have all been "jeez, this is more powerful than we were lead to believe" - i'm more inclined to think Nintendo simply delivered.
I sure hope so
Yes, that happened (at least to some degree). Both team ninja and gearbox have stated that they've been vocal about the dev kits and that nintendo has been very receptive to their feedback. What that translates to, we have no idea at the moment.
Sure it might look better. I don't even think the demo looked all that great. It was basically a generic vision of "realistic" Zelda game. My point is, the demo will not live on on any form and is not indicative of future Zelda games in any way. And the amount of detail is probably way less in the final game.
Vermillion
Banned
The hype-train exhaust fumes must be getting to people's heads.
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The amount of detail is high because this is a closed demo. Has nothing to do with hardware.
Well for one judging past Zelda tech demos to what they actually looked like once in production.
I hope Nintendo has the specs to run ue4 and compete closely with Sony and Microsoft.
Frankly if it wasn't for the obnoxious mouth breathing Nintendo fanboys I'd probably be rooting for Nintendo to win because there is a purity to their approach with their games that neither other has managed to replicate fully yet and I dont want to see their company fail. Even if I hate their new business model which favors gimmicks.
jump_button
Banned
well GC demo
what we got
its not that shocking to say that
I still like wind waker more
what we got
its not that shocking to say that
I still like wind waker more
HAH!! I knew some would have selective memory. The initial 3DS E3 reception was overwhelmingly positive.
This. I think there is a chance that Nintendo Dreamcasts themselves with this one. Rein, abandon the ship!
Huh? I think you forgot a word or 2 here.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
in truth those sort of games (at this stage) are unlikely to get the sort of movement Nintendo need, even if they are a good bit better. Though they represent great news for Nintendo fans who have perhaps skipped on those experiences if they didn't have a multiconsole set up.
what they really need to get is third party exclusives that make people question whether they can wait for next gen or if it's even necessary.
All good moves in the right direction regardless though and if they get the support far and wide they deserve it for their efforts.
RE: That Zelda tech demo - what it told me is that we're going to finally get glorious HD Nintendo franchises. It's late coming but it's finally coming.
You linked to a video Nintendo made to promote their own hardware.
I linked a developer stating exactly what I said they stated. You're delusional if you think the E3 response wasn't incredibly positive. People didn't start to sour on the 3DS until vita was more properly unveiled.
Im on my phone.
My point was that if we go by past Zelda tech demos, the final product looked nowhere near as good as the original demo.
So I'm keeping my optimism in check at the moment. I am also rather perplexed at the hubris some Nintendo fanboys are exurting about Nintendos capabilities, when really they know jack shit so far. Especially with respect to the competition.
People were debating whether or not 3DS graphics were that much more powerful than PSP..