It boils down to that, I guess. Al is a good short term fix for points, but just because he demands so many shots and minutes, it huts the other guys.
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It boils down to that, I guess. Al is a good short term fix for points, but just because he demands so many shots and minutes, it huts the other guys.
Soooo... DJ and filler for Millsap
DJ and filler for Harris, Miles, and Bell?
Prototype-03
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I have a strange feeling that Lakers will make a trade today but I don't think I'm going to like it...
So much salt...
Deron Williams is the best scoring pure PG out there. He can score 25 or 30 points just as easily as he can get you 10 assists.
Enes Kanter and Derrick Favors come off the bench for a team out of the playoff hunt and Favors, the important one, backs up your BEST PLAYER and has no realistic chance of starting...so he's rumored to be on the trading block.
And yea, I HIGHLY doubt Derrick Favors even takes a starting spot away from Kris Humphries if he was still in NJ. Do you really think he'd be starting over Kris Humphries right now? He'd be riding the pine there too.
And Kanter...dude can't wrestle a starting spot away from Al Jefferson
*click*
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
Williams will be OK without Rubio. Not that everybody doesn't benefit from Ricky's play, but Williams can actually create for himself decently. My worry is more about guys like Pekovic, but Pek was awesome last night, so maybe that's misplaced.
Salt?
Are you seriously trying to sell me on Deron Williams?
Dude you seriously, seriously have no idea what you are talking about.
The part about a 19 year old not being able to start over Al Jefferson has me wondering if you are trolling though.
You just outdid Syphon...congrats?
ClovingWestbrook
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*Goes to get Blackace!*
I'm not selling you on Deron Williams...I specifically remember saying something along the lines of The Jazz got as bad of a trade for Deron Williams as Stern got for CP3
Everyone was quick to jump in to O'Conner's defense and say he got a great deal and all this youthiness and potenshul in the pick that became Kanter, Favors, Harris etc.
Favors and Kanter have been woefully unimpressive because they're basically backing up 2 of the Jazz 3 best players. Harris has been a joke.
The Deron Williams trade was a HORRIBLE trade for the Jazz. They panicked and traded him really quickly and got not much in return. It's like the Lakers trading Pau Gasol for a backup Center and a Backup SG.
Trading for or drafting young pieces that play the same position as 2 of your 3 best players is a dumb idea and I called them out on it.
The Stern / Clippers trade I was badmouthing since day 1 with the whole Eric Gordon is a rich man's K Mart, Kaman plays Okafor's position (although Monty is making it work) and the Minny pick isn't worth too much.
You all harped on me for it, I came out right. Utah and NO gave up 2 of the top 4 PG's in the league and got practically NOTHING back for it because the players they got either won't stick around, or backup their best players.
Oh stop, Syphon just writes homerish Knick posts. I don't care for the Jazz or the Hornets or the Nets. I'm simply pointing out the truth, the Jazz traded a top 3 pure PG for pieces, that to their team, are essentially useless.
But by all means, keep pushing the company line..."But we got Favors...FAVORS...do you not see? FAVORS? He's amazing...look FAVORS!"
You're still wrong. I'm slightly amazed that you're not seeing it, but you've never proven in the past to be very reasonable, so I'm not too shocked.
Jesus how? Look at what Denver got for Carmelo...Look at what Memphis essentially got for Gasol...Look at what YOU got for D-Will
Stop being a homer...If the Lakers traded Gasol for a backup SG and a backup C you would call Mitch stupid.
I'm right, Harris is ass, and Favors (the gem of the trade) backs up your best player
Btw - This is the typical response to anything I say. Personal attacks, no legitimate arguments against my points.
Red Blaster
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It's those Sarah Palin moose hunting genes
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
2 years ago, the Bulls were a 8th seed
last year, the Pacers were a 8th seed
rebuttal?
ClovingWestbrook
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I just want to announce that Dream and I are reliving the greatest years of R&B. The 1990s offered more top R&B female artists that were also hot than any time since.
Brownstone
SWV
Monifa
Adina Howard
Mary J Blige
Monica
En Vogue
Xscape
But hey, keep talking about the worst year of basketball in a decade, if you must.
Brownstone
SWV
Monifa
Adina Howard
Mary J Blige
Monica
En Vogue
Xscape
But hey, keep talking about the worst year of basketball in a decade, if you must.
Red Blaster
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Both of those teams had improving young players, the Bricks have old guys on max deals.
Knux-Future
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The Bulls have a star.
The Pacers still won't win shit.
The East has only two teams worth a damn.
Everyone else is fodder.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
The Bucks are a veteran team that is capped out. They don't have the assets to get better players, nor will the guys they have improve that much.
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LegendofJoe
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Favors is an extremely valuable trade piece that could net the Jazz a pretty good player that fills a need, that's something you should consider vaughn when evaluating the Deron Williams trade.
And what would we have got for him after this year? Nothing?
Tell me if my math is correct here:
Harris, Favors, Kanter > Nothing
Is my math correct? Feel free to double check it or ask someone who is really good at math. Also, we wouldn't have dropped low enough in the draft to get Burks either, and he's looking like he could be good.
Don't bother...
ClovingWestbrook
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ugh, whatever. She'll always be Monifa to me. We shared some good times her and I.
A) He ain't that valuable...PF is one of the most stacked positions in the NBA with good to great talent being pretty evenly spread out. As I said, he would be backing up Kris Humphries in NJ now, or Amare in NY, or Anderson in Orlando, LMA, Griffin, Love, Dirk, Pau, Z-Bo, Bosh, Boozer, Brand, Lee, Scola, Okafor, Ibaka, Timmy, Milsap etc.
B) If they get a great piece that fills a need, I'll upgrade it from dog-gone terrible to slightly less terrible. Just like the Memphis - Gasol trade over time became a better trade but initially was absolute crap. At this point, the NJ / Utah trade has been absolute crap for Utah.
Yea, you're wrong. Looking at the pieces and their potential instead of how badly those pieces fit your team. Your team is ass on the perimeter, and backed up / loaded in the front court...I'm sorry man, but that's not good team building. You had Milsap and Jefferson before you did the trade / drafted Kanter. But by all means, by your logic the Lakers don't need a PG or a SF...we should load up on SG's and Centers
MorisUkunRasik
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Luke Walton isn't making the trip to Memphis due to "flu" like symptoms. Walton for anything, come on who wants 'em?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Jazz are a great organization, trade for Derrick Favors, keep him while he plays badly, now when he starts playing hard and being the only player on the team who is defending, trade him to make more room for Al Jefferson who refuses to move ever on defense and is the reason why we're 25th in defense, fuck.
Another great aspect to their development of him is that they've managed to lower his trade value by never playing him, so awesome.
Another great aspect to their development of him is that they've managed to lower his trade value by never playing him, so awesome.
ClovingWestbrook
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I wonder what it feels like to be a fan of an team/organization whose peak doesn't even include an NBA championship.
Well he is good at shooting...
That's not the way to win Sarah Palin's heart.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Those vets (sans JAX) with Jennings are getting it done. If Bogut played more than 5 games, Bucks would be a top 5 east team. Ilyasova has gone from bench guy to putting up great numbers.
Bucks in the NBA Finals 2016
ClovingWestbrook
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lol!
MorisUkunRasik
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Adam has been MIA and can't tell you, so keep wondering.
ClovingWestbrook
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Well, I was referring to the Utar Jazzy's but yea.
I'm still not counting out the celts. If they add another big man to complement the rookie(i forgot his name) They improve their rebounding which i think has been a big factor for them since they lost perkins. For some reason, i don't get why they traded tony allen, perkins and big baby(I thought he played good defence)
Syphon Filter
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Amare for a statue.
We can draft them all we want, but we're not trading superstars for them...like your dumb ass GM WITH NO PRESSURE WHATSOEVER did.
How's this for a tough pill to swallow.
D-Will > Melo
Nuggets rejected the NJ offer for Melo, then cleaned out the Knicks. the Jazz swooped in with no pressure whatsoever and took the inferior NJ deal for the superior player.
Everyone at the time of the deal said that NJ got the better player, and gave up far less...the fact that you're still disputing this proves you're a homer with 0 objectivity.
But hey, now that you lost D-Will...by all means. Keep Favors on the bench till Paul Milsap stops being good...get back to me in 2018 when Favors becomes the starter on a lottery team
Baby didn't really play good defense, he couldn't alter anyone's shot. They would all shoot above him. He was good a drawing charges and have the body mass to not let people back him down but that didn't matter since they just shot over him anyways. And whatever possessions he got the team from drawing a charge he gave away by being blocked 10 times a game. He also thought he was the shit and would shoot the ball too much.
Tony Allen wanted to leave, it wasn't a question of why the C's didn't keep him. he wanted to start on a team. Not be a backup on the Celtics. I always hated the Perk trade, but the Celtics never had the money to keep him for what he wanted to be paid and they weren't going to give up their cap flexibility next year to sign Perk.
The Nuggets essentially traded Carmelo and Billups for Gallo and Andre Miller.
OMG WHAT A STEAL
seriously, i'm not even going to halfass this "arguement" with you. First Jefferson sucks because a 19 year can't even start over him.. but it was a dumb move because we have Jefferson. lol
Lakers don't trade superstars for bench players... lol what the hell you think the Shaq trade was?
OMG WHAT A STEAL
seriously, i'm not even going to halfass this "arguement" with you. First Jefferson sucks because a 19 year can't even start over him.. but it was a dumb move because we have Jefferson. lol
Lakers don't trade superstars for bench players... lol what the hell you think the Shaq trade was?
That guy Kobe will never amount to shit. Can't believe they gave up Divac for him LOLZ
I mean too bad for me because I have Rubio as well.
dude that guy is riding the bench ... he can't even start over Eddie Jones.
LOL YOU SEE THOSE AIRBALLS IN THE PLAYOFFS? LOL
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