2012 NBA Mar |OT| Knicks fans now drinking JD in straight shots

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Syphon Filter said:
their record is worst now compared to before.
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Not counting tonights games, regular season only:

Nuggets in 67 games before Melo trade: 38-29 (47-35)
Nuggets in 67 games since Melo trade: 41-26 (50-32)

Knicks in 70 games before Melo trade: 34-36 (40-42)
Knicks in 70 games since Melo trade: 32-38 (38-44)
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Injuries, how do they work?

Afflalo
NeNe
Gallo
MozGod
Lawson

All in and out of the lineup.

Meanwhile, in New York, the team goes on 7 game win streaks when their "superstar" goes down.

Excuse me, I meant to say "best player in the league" goes down.
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Against fodder teams. Even with melo in, they still would have gone on that win streak. With the only significant wins against a Laker team, heavenly for pgs and dallas. And horrible loss to NO.
 
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What's weird about that article or interesting to me is that with the Bulls having the game clinched with like 7 seconds left, the Knicks players were very attentive to what Dantoni was drawing up on the board in the timeout.

You don't always see that in the NBA(see Clippers).
 
TheGreatMightyPoo said:
What's weird about that article or interesting to me is that with the Bulls having the game clinched with like 7 seconds left, the Knicks players were very attentive to what Dantoni was drawing up on the board in the timeout.

You don't always see that in the NBA(see Clippers).
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Remember when VDN had virtually the same Bulls team and they went nowhere? Del Harris had virtually the same Laker championship team?

Coaching is so underrated in our league.

5pur5 don't win a single chip without Pop.

Yeah, Crimson Blur...I said it and I know you agree.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Remember when VDN had virtually the same Bulls team and they went nowhere? Del Harris had virtually the same Laker championship team?

Coaching is so underrated in our league.

5pur5 don't win a single chip without Pop.

Yeah, Crimson Blur...I said it and I know you agree.
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So Denver in the Western Conference Finals against ______????
 
ryutaro's mama said:
I heard the secondary tax (punitive luxury tax) is like $2.70 to every $1.

Help me out, Mamba.
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It's a graduated tax. First $5 mil is 1 for 1. After that I think it's $1.75 for $1 for 5 mil. Then $2.25 for the next 5 mil. And it's 50 cents more at each level if you're there 3 years in a row (starting year 3, not now).

The luxury tax isn't the issue. Lakers can afford it. The "cheap" line is bullshit.

The problem is that if you are over the luxury tax after next season:

A. You can't sign + trade
B. You can't give out more than the mini-MLE

This means you are stuck with draft picks and vet minimums everywhere else. It's impossible to improve your team. You can't spend your way out of problems, anymore.

That's why Lakers are looking ahead. They don't want to shed Pau's salary, but if they can get an all-star PG and cut MWP out, they will do it. But they won't sacrifice a title shot (they lose money that way). Hell, why would they be willing to take on Ramon Sessions contract right now if they were cheap?

Lakers simply don't want to tie up long term money. They want enough flexibility in 2 years to go after someone when Pau is done or cash pau in now for someone younger.
 
Black Mamba said:
It's a graduated tax. First $5 mil is 1 for 1. After that I think it's $1.75 for $1 for 5 mil. Then $2.25 for the next 5 mil. And it's 50 cents more at each level if you're there 3 years in a row (starting year 3, not now).

The luxury tax isn't the issue. Lakers can afford it. The "cheap" line is bullshit.

The problem is that if you are over the luxury tax after next season:

A. You can't sign + trade
B. You can't give out more than the mini-MLE

This means you are stuck with draft picks and vet minimums everywhere else. It's impossible to improve your team. You can't spend your way out of problems, anymore.

That's why Lakers are looking ahead. They don't want to shed Pau's salary, but if they can get an all-star PG and cut MWP out, they will do it. But they won't sacrifice a title shot (they lose money that way). Hell, why would they be willing to take on Ramon Sessions contract right now if they were cheap?

Lakers simply don't want to tie up long term money. They want enough flexibility in 2 years to go after someone when Pau is done or cash pau in now for someone younger.
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What about:

C. Under the table (that is assuming you know what that means). You could presumably work a deal where you could get a FA to sign there without Stern knowing anything about it.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Remember when VDN had virtually the same Bulls team and they went nowhere? Del Harris had virtually the same Laker championship team?

Coaching is so underrated in our league.

5pur5 don't win a single chip without Pop.

Yeah, Crimson Blur...I said it and I know you agree.
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DeH Harris sucks, but he did not have that same Lakers team. he had a young Kobe. he didn't have Shaw, Harper, Green, Rice, although he had Jones and Campbell, and NVE.

VDN had Gordon and no Boozer. No Brewer, Asik, Gibson, either. And Noah was lazy back then.

VDN sucks too, but the difference between the best coaches and the mediocre ones is not nearly as apart as the best players and the very good ones.


C. Under the table (that is assuming you know what that means). You could presumably work a deal where you could get a FA to sign there without Stern knowing anything about it.
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Whoops, forgot about that one. That is still in play.
 
Black Mamba said:
DeH Harris sucks, but he did not have that same Lakers team. he had a young Kobe. he didn't have Shaw, Harper, Green, Rice, although he had Jones and Campbell, and NVE.

VDN had Gordon and no Boozer. No Brewer, Asik, Gibson, either. And Noah was lazy back then.

VDN sucks too, but the difference between the best coaches and the mediocre ones is not nearly as apart as the best players and the very good ones.




Whoops, forgot about that one. That is still in play.
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the thing with those Del Harris teams isn't that they lost, it's how they lost. Swept back to back years. They gave up. It says a lot about Phil Jackson that the very next year he comes in and not only do they win 67 games and Shaq plays like a monster, but that they overcame the gigantic adversity of being down 15 in the 4th quarter of Game 7 in the WCF. Completely changed the mindset even when (you could argue) he had a less talented team.
 
2000 Lakers was better because it had Kobe. The other ones had the punk kid version.

But Del Harris was terrible with his substitutions and no one respected him. I agree he might have been the difference between a title or not, but just saying no coach is so drastic that like he's the difference between a title or 1st round fodder.
 
Black Mamba said:
2000 Lakers was better because it had Kobe. The other ones had the punk kid version.

But Del Harris was terrible with his substitutions and no one respected him. I agree he might have been the difference between a title or not, but just saying no coach is so drastic that like he's the difference between a title or 1st round fodder.
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Might have been?

Like Ninja Scooter said, there is no way (NO FUCKING WAY) that Del Harris motivates that same team (he got swept twice with) to rally down 15 in the 4th.

That rally was 100% Phil saying, "You wanna go to Finals or you wanna go home?" (while holding up the ring he won just 2 years prior)
 
giri said:
He was never content with that team. He hated feltons dumb ass. And they needed a legit 5.

Gallo was a better fit as he was semi-happy to camp on the 3pt line.
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He did not hate Felton at all. He was always praising him.

And Melo can wotk in Mikes system. When bigs hedge on Lin and Chandler dives to the paint its Melos man that picks him up leaving Melo with tons of space to operate, thats by design. To be fair Lin doesn't always make that pass, but to say Dantoni just wants Melo stand in the corner is wrong.
 
Carmelo Anthony’s discontent with the Knicks organization became so severe after Monday night’s loss to the Bulls, he told a confidant he preferred to be traded before Thursday’s trade deadline, The Post has learned.
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Link

Too bad this is just Berman making shit up...
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Remember when VDN had virtually the same Bulls team and they went nowhere? Del Harris had virtually the same Laker championship team?

Coaching is so underrated in our league.

5pur5 don't win a single chip without Pop.

Yeah, Crimson Blur...I said it and I know you agree.
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Ok i'm ignoring you troll the knick fans with your denver stories but...

VDN never had THIS bulls team. Thats just pure fantasy.
 
masud said:
He did not hate Felton at all. He was always praising him.

And Melo can wotk in Mikes system. When bigs hedge on Lin and Chandler dives to the paint its Melos man that picks him up leaving Melo with tons of space to operate, thats by design. To be fair Lin doesn't always make that pass, but to say Dantoni just wants Melo stand in the corner is wrong.
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That is essentially what mike runs with his PnR. Yeah, there's a million options out of it, i know them all. But the starting point is if you're not the ball handler, go stand in a corner.

If he tried to tell Kobe that, Kobe would just walk up to the media and say "he's fired".

I'm not even saying its necessarily the worst starting point. i think the PnR is a great way to initiate a lot of sets. But it sounds like the variations in place take melo out of his sweet spots. Which... is pretty dumb to do to a guy you're paying 20M too.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Remember when VDN had virtually the same Bulls team and they went nowhere? Del Harris had virtually the same Laker championship team?

Coaching is so underrated in our league.

5pur5 don't win a single chip without Pop.

Yeah, Crimson Blur...I said it and I know you agree.
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Stop it, VDN Bulls were no where near the team that they are today. And maybe the spurs don't win as many as they did.. but they still would have won
 
lol

and after we blessed you with a godlike Boris Diaw performance too...

But seriously, SVG's system would fit NY's personnel and he'd actually practice defense once in a while too.
 
giri said:
That is essentially what mike runs with his PnR. Yeah, there's a million options out of it, i know them all. But the starting point is if you're not the ball handler, go stand in a corner.

If he tried to tell Kobe that, Kobe would just walk up to the media and say "he's fired".

I'm not even saying its necessarily the worst starting point. i think the PnR is a great way to initiate a lot of sets. But it sounds like the variations in place take melo out of his sweet spots. Which... is pretty dumb to do to a guy you're paying 20M too.
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It was very dumb. You'll get no arguement here. But I don't think Melo is not getting to his sweet spots, as that article says he's rarely in the spots Mike wants him in. The ran what I described a bunch in first half of the Celtics game and against the Cavs and Melo got his buckets. But when they started losing (because Melo and Stat dont try on defense) Melo just abandoned it.
 
According to a team source, at least one member of James Dolan's inner circle wants to trade Anthony for the same reason the Knicks acquired him 13 months ago: money.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...court-success-article-1.1038532#ixzz1p58GpOiH
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lol

What a mess. Source says melo wants out, another one says a member in Dolan's circle agrees (though Dolan doesn't, yet), and we know Antoni doesn't want Melo.

Amazing.


But seriously, SVG's system would fit NY's personnel and he'd actually practice defense once in a while too.
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How so, Dy? tyson isn't someone they can dump the ball into, neither is Amar'e. And I don't know how he fixes Melo's ball stopping.

that said, New York's main problem is a Melo-Amar'e frontcourt on defense, even with Tyson working behind them. Tyson can cover for one of them, but not both. SVG has good defensive schemes, but I'm not sure he can fix that (and it's not like Lin/Fields are very good on the perimeter, only Shumps is).
 
DY_nasty said:
lol

and after we blessed you with a godlike Boris Diaw performance too...

But seriously, SVG's system would fit NY's personnel and he'd actually practice defense once in a while too.
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Huh? We literally have one shooter and no post up players that arent black holes.
 
The New York situation is hilarious. Half the media is targeting Melo the other half is targeting D'antoni and Amar'e is getting no blame. Amazing stuff.

and orlando is even worse.. he requested a trade like three times just trade him to new jersey or LA and take brook and picks or bynum and picks and move on. He is not staying.
 
Black Mamba said:
that said, New York's main problem is a Melo-Amar'e frontcourt on defense, even with Tyson working behind them. Tyson can cover for one of them, but not both. SVG has good defensive schemes, but I'm not sure he can fix that (and it's not like Lin/Fields are very good on the perimeter, only Shumps is).
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This! The offense has been fine since Lin showed up.
 
what could the knicks possibly do with melo in a trade?

Problem for the Knicks are they don't need a PG (lin), C (tyson) and can't trade amar'e (PF). Leaves them with flipping melo for a SG or SF.

But there are no good SGs on the market (closest is Evans but he doesn't fit)

Here are some:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7w3a5h8

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7nw27te

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=84cy7b7

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6nntag7

okay, last one was a troll
 
When he first came back they should have benched Melo for Novak with the run as justification, then when Melo came in to the game immediately started giving him his post-ups since the bench isn't going to score otherwise. Maybe he'd be more willing to camp or at least not get in the way if he knew he'd have these runs in the rotation where's getting all his looks as the first option.

Have they tried pick and rolls with Melo? Boris Diaw seemed to figure it out well enough.
Black Mamba said:
what could the knicks possibly do with melo in a trade?

Problem for the Knicks are they don't need a PG (lin), C (tyson) and can't trade amar'e (PF). Leaves them with flipping melo for a SG or SF.

But there are no good SGs on the market (closest is Evans but he doesn't fit)
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They could raid Orlando for some of their three point bombers. Richardson, Anderson, Turkoglu, Richardson, Redick, etc.
 
ryutaro's mama said:
Out to where? Where would he go and for what?
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Would you not do it for deng & Gibson.

Mel's a ball stopper in the same way Kobe is. The stupidity of the offense where "if there are 7 seconds left, give it to melo and let him iso" is so absurdly bad for melo's stats/appearance.
 
Pkaz01 said:
The New York situation is hilarious. Half the media is targeting Melo the other half is targeting D'antoni and Amar'e is getting no blame. Amazing stuff.

and orlando is even worse.. he requested a trade like three times just trade him to new jersey or LA and take brook and picks or bynum and picks and move on. He is not staying.
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Stat gets blamed all the time, but we didnt trade an entire basketball team for him. Also with that contract Stat is permanent Knick for life status, bitching about him too much is pointless.
 
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