Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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Rebel Leader said:
IIRC,It even says in ME3codex that the dastroying the relays would cause massive damage to all planets in the system...
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Again, there's undoubtedly a difference between using up all its power to the point it falls apart and smashing it open with a giant rock, there may have no longer been enough energy TO cause a massive enough explosion. Failing that, well, the Alpha Relay is able to tap into far more dark energy than the other relays, so there's the possibility that lacked the energy to cause such an explosion.

I'd also keep in mind that the Codex is PROBABLY following the viewpoint of what the known galaxy and player characters know, they're not going to spoil the ending within it unless they were as dumb with it as tri-Ace was with SO3.
 
"And just like that, the magic is gone"

AHAHAHAHA. EDI is such a snarky bot. And I can't help but wonder if the person who wrote the small dialogues for the characters are the same as the one who wrote the insipid speech from The Catalyst. Because one manages to entertain while the other makes you want to bang your head against a table.
 
Eusis said:
Again, there's undoubtedly a difference between using up all its power to the point it falls apart and smashing it open with a giant rock, there may have no longer been enough energy TO cause a massive enough explosion. Failing that, well, the Alpha Relay is able to tap into far more dark energy than the other relays, so there's the possibility that lacked the energy to cause such an explosion.

I'd also keep in mind that the Codex is PROBABLY following the viewpoint of what the known galaxy and player characters know, they're not going to spoil the ending within it unless they were as dumb with it as tri-Ace was with SO3.
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The point is though, you'd think Shepard, the guy who blew one up and killed millions, and spent months in front of a military tribunal for said action, would have had the sense to at least question the Catalyst "But wouldn't destroying the relays destroy Earth and countless other worlds?" and then the Catalyst could explain why that wouldn't happen because it was just using up the energy of the Relay.

That would have at least brought some "closure"(there is that word again) to that one issue. Instead we are all speculating because apparently that's what they were going for.
 
Eusis said:
Again, there's undoubtedly a difference between using up all its power to the point it falls apart and smashing it open with a giant rock, there may have no longer been enough energy TO cause a massive enough explosion. Failing that, well, the Alpha Relay is able to tap into far more dark energy than the other relays, so there's the possibility that lacked the energy to cause such an explosion.

I'd also keep in mind that the Codex is PROBABLY following the viewpoint of what the known galaxy and player characters know, they're not going to spoil the ending within it unless they were as dumb with it as tri-Ace was with SO3.
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Yeah, the codex also says the Citadel is presumably of Prothean construction.
 
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ElectricBlue187 said:
Too much pride involved imo. I will be surprised if they change the ending, it's like dipping your hand into a pool of sharks
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I hope they stick to their guns and don't change it. I would lose a lot of my love for Bioware and Mass Effect if they changed it. I've never seen so much childish whining as I have in this thread. I was hoping to come in here and discuss the whole game without tags but everyone just proves that they can't handle anything less than a "ride off into the sunset" ending. The whole game was essentially fanservice so I'm glad the end went in a different and very cool direction.
 
Rebel Leader said:
The ability to kill aria and rule omega?

PRICELESS
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The very definition of King Shit on Turd Mountain.

Any time some crime boss was like HAW HAW I'M TOO POWERFUL TO TALK TO YOU, I just lol and remember that I'm busy CHANGING THE GALAXY every 45 minutes. This includes Aria; recognize who you're talking to, bitch.

All the crime bosses have tremendous egos that make them seem bigger than they really are which is an interesting, if expected character trait.
 
I'm curious to know what the future of the series holds. Will there be a continuation of this timeline, should you take the comment by the grandpa seriously (about there being another tale to tell about Shepard)? If so, how could they possibly create something even bigger than the Reapers storyline, not to mention the mass relays being destroyed making travelling a bit of a bitch?

Or do we go to a different timeline in a different galaxy? A reboot if you'd like. New characters, new species, etc.

I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to the series as a whole (in terms of meaningful games, rather than spin-offs). I'd take either route, probably.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
If there's any subtext to the ending of this game, it's that ultimately your choices don't make that big of a difference. Even Shepard, the most influential person in the modern galaxy, couldn't make that big of a difference.
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And that's a huge kick in the nuts to every player. "Hey it's a game about choice and consequences where your choices don't actually matter at all in the end! LOL!"
 
Has Bioware shut down the indoctrination theories? Thought I read something about that.

I find the indoctrination theories kinda fun from a "crazy Lost fan theories" point of view.
 
RoboPlato said:
I hope they stick to their guns and don't change it. I would lose a lot of my love for Bioware and Mass Effect if they changed it. I've never seen so much childish whining as I have in this thread. I was hoping to come in here and discuss the whole game without tags but everyone just proves that they can't handle anything less than a "ride off into the sunset" ending. The whole game was essentially fanservice so I'm glad the end went in a different and very cool direction.
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Brofist. I too think the ending was fine like it was
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
I'm curious to know what the future of the series holds. Will there be a continuation of this timeline, should you take the comment by the grandpa seriously (about there being another tale to tell about Shepard)? If so, how could they possibly create something even bigger than the Reapers storyline, not to mention the mass relays being destroyed making travelling a bit of a bitch?

Or do we go to a different timeline in a different galaxy? A reboot if you'd like. New characters, new species, etc.

I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to the series as a whole (in terms of meaningful games, rather than spin-offs). I'd take either route, probably.
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I'm just hoping they won't go the MMO route.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
I'm curious to know what the future of the series holds. Will there be a continuation of this timeline, should you take the comment by the grandpa seriously (about there being another tale to tell about Shepard)? If so, how could they possibly create something even bigger than the Reapers storyline, not to mention the mass relays being destroyed making travelling a bit of a bitch?

Or do we go to a different timeline in a different galaxy? A reboot if you'd like. New characters, new species, etc.

I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to the series as a whole (in terms of meaningful games, rather than spin-offs). I'd take either route, probably.
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Supposedly Casey Hudson said any new games would be during or before ME3 which feels lazy to me. I don't understand why people want prequels when they know the big stuff that happens already. That's the whole thing with this ending it feels like they created it as some sort of quick cop-out to not make actual sequels in the future.
 
RoboPlato said:
I hope they stick to their guns and don't change it. I would lose a lot of my love for Bioware and Mass Effect if they changed it. I've never seen so much childish whining as I have in this thread. I was hoping to come in here and discuss the whole game without tags but everyone just proves that they can't handle anything less than a "ride off into the sunset" ending. The whole game was essentially fanservice so I'm glad the end went in a different and very cool direction.
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It has degenerated into that, but if you read the whole thread there are a ton of legitimate complaints and most of them have nothing to do with "not a happy ending". It has become that only because you can discuss the narrative problems so many times before there is nothing more to say, and you're left with people posting parody art.
 
Last Hearth said:
The point is though, you'd think Shepard, the guy who blew one up and killed millions, and spent months in front of a military tribunal for said action, would have had the sense to at least question the Catalyst "But wouldn't destroying the relays destroy Earth and countless other worlds?" and then the Catalyst could explain why that wouldn't happen because it was just using up the energy of the Relay.

That would have at least brought some "closure"(there is that word again) to that one issue. Instead we are all speculating because apparently that's what they were going for.
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I don't recall if he said they'd destroy the relays. Maybe I need to youtube the ending and watch it again. But it's also been argued that he shouldn't have been so accepting of ANY of it anyway, so whether it's spelled out or not may not matter.

Derrick01 said:
Supposedly Casey Hudson said any new games would be during or before ME3 which feels lazy to me. I don't understand why people want prequels when they know the big stuff that happens already. That's the whole thing with this ending it feels like they created it as some sort of quick cop-out to not make actual sequels in the future.
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Which makes the ending all the more abhorrent. I wouldn't mind too much if they seriously set a new one a thousand years later and explored how civilizations reformed from losing their best means of transport, and perhaps if they pursued the synthesis ending to see how that played out. As is, better closure of some sort would've been deserved, even if it was still ambiguous we could've had 3 distinct endings rather than just variations of one.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
I'm curious to know what the future of the series holds. Will there be a continuation of this timeline, should you take the comment by the grandpa seriously (about there being another tale to tell about Shepard)? If so, how could they possibly create something even bigger than the Reapers storyline, not to mention the mass relays being destroyed making travelling a bit of a bitch?

Or do we go to a different timeline in a different galaxy? A reboot if you'd like. New characters, new species, etc.

I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to the series as a whole (in terms of meaningful games, rather than spin-offs). I'd take either route, probably.
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According to Mr. Hudson, if they make another Mass Effect game, it'll happen during or before ME3, not after.

EDIT: and beaten by a few seconds. =p
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
I don't think I'm ready to say goodbye to the series as a whole (in terms of meaningful games, rather than spin-offs). I'd take either route, probably.
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I'm more sad that we probably wont see more of Garrus, Liara, Tali, Joker, Wrex and everyone else.

Vega can die in multicolored exploding Mass Relay for all i care.
 
Stinkdog said:
According to Mr. Hudson, if they make another Mass Effect game, it'll happen during or before ME3, not after.

EDIT: and beaten by a few seconds. =p
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Would be an utter failure if it were to be part of Shepard's life still, given it would stick out like a sore thumb when taking in to consideration the events from ME1 to ME3.

I'd rather we get a reboot in another part of the universe then...

Bisnic said:
I'm more sad that we probably wont see more of Garrus, Liara, Tali, Joker, Wrex and everyone else.

Vega can die in multicolored exploding Mass Relay for all i care.
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Damn straight. I think Garrus is one of my favourite characters of this current generation of games. Such a likeable character.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Would be an utter failure if it were to be part of Shepard's life still, given it would stick out like a sore thumb when taking in to consideration the events from ME1 to ME3.

I'd rather we get a reboot in another part of the universe then...
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I'd rather play the next cycle with the humans as we know them extinct.
 
Eusis said:
I don't recall if he said they'd destroy the relays. Maybe I need to youtube the ending and watch it again. But it's also been argued that he shouldn't have been so accepting of ANY of it anyway, so whether it's spelled out or not may not matter.
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I don't remember exactly either, but if he doesn't tell you that only makes it worse! How can information like that not be told to the player before he makes a choice.



"If you press the button it will save the world from nuclear annihilation.:"

*Presses Button*

"Oops, forgot to mention it also releases poison gas that kills every person in the world."

The End.
 
Gustav said:
I'd rather play the next cycle with the humans as we know them extinct.
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Depending on your view of synthesis they're already dead extinct.

Seriously though, seeing how the future keeps changing is one of the most appealing aspects to me for science fiction, hell it's the one thing I appreciate from Mega Man of all things that few other video game series try.
 
LAUGHTREY said:
You have to be in proximity of a reaper to be indoctrinated.

I'm not against subtle meanings behind things, but there's a difference between what they intentionally put in the game, and what people project their own ideas onto things and call it fact.

There was seriously no strong hint towards Shepard being indoctrinated, especially considering it had to have been the most subtle indoctrination ever seen in the whole series, and usually something that is foreshadowed, culminates into SOMETHING you can see at the end.

If there's any subtext to the ending of this game, it's that ultimately your choices don't make that big of a difference. Even Shepard, the most influential person in the modern galaxy, couldn't make that big of a difference.
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Ignoring Sovereign. I'm pretty sure I saw a reaper artifact put a vision into Shepherd's mind in Arrival. See Reaper - indoctrination codex in the game.

I'm not saying this is fact at all. I'm saying it just as valid as interpreting the ending as the mass effect relays being destroyed and Joker crash landing on a random planet with no broken bones.
 
RoboPlato said:
I hope they stick to their guns and don't change it. I would lose a lot of my love for Bioware and Mass Effect if they changed it. I've never seen so much childish whining as I have in this thread. I was hoping to come in here and discuss the whole game without tags but everyone just proves that they can't handle anything less than a "ride off into the sunset" ending. The whole game was essentially fanservice so I'm glad the end went in a different and very cool direction.
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I consider having actual choices like a ME game should to be a good thing. If either way they don't plan on making real sequels then I should an option for a "happy" ending (which I went into detail yesterday. There is NO pure happy ending as the Reapers seriously fucked a lot of planets up) instead of some extremely lazy galactic reset which to me seems to defeat the whole purpose of stopping the Reapers. You get to live but it would be like if a meteor wiped out most of the world today, you'd be left in what you consider to be the stone age. I wouldn't want to live in that.
 
Carbonox_Ratchet said:
Would be an utter failure if it were to be part of Shepard's life still, given it would stick out like a sore thumb when taking in to consideration the events from ME1 to ME3.

I'd rather we get a reboot in another part of the universe then...
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Really the only way it could work is if they use your saves from ME3 to determine the role "your Shepard" has in a game set during ME3. But I would prefer it if they go far into the future in a fourth game.
 
Zeal said:
I really don't even see why people are debating the indoctrination theory anymore. It's obvious that is what happened, or the Starchild wouldn't have been introduced at the beginning of the game in the first place. He also fits all the criteria of indoctrination. Ghostly images and dreams, sounds, headaches, hallucinations and blah blah. They weren't trying to be that subtle, really.

Now the point in which the indoctrination happened is still debatable, but I say the mental battle began as he was knocked out by Harbinger's beam. His mind was left open for attack at that very moment and the Reaper's took it.

That's my theory and I'm stickin' too it.
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No. I truly wish this was the case but it's been confirmed that it isn't. Everything fits perfectly though so if you wan't to think of it like that you can, I know I will. Hell, maybe Bioware wiil cave and change it.
 
To be fair, having something after the end of...that...would be a little hard. Three different realities where the reapers are still out there, synthesized and everyone is on a higher plane of existence, or destroyed reapers. All while there are still no Mass Relays, your game would suck if you didn't choose synthesize.
 
Zeal said:
I really don't even see why people are debating the indoctrination theory anymore. It's obvious that is what happened, or the Starchild wouldn't have been introduced at the beginning of the game in the first place. He also fits all the criteria of indoctrination. Ghostly images and dreams, sounds, headaches, hallucinations and blah blah. They weren't trying to be that subtle, really.

Now the point in which the indoctrination happened is still debatable, but I say the mental battle began as he was knocked out by Harbinger's beam. His mind was left open for attack at that very moment and the Reaper's took it.

That's my theory and I'm stickin' too it.
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So the reapers would rather indoctrinate an unconscious vulnerable half-dead shepard rather than just...kill him?
 
LAUGHTREY said:
To be fair, having something after the end of...that...would be a little hard. Three different realities where the reapers are still out there, synthesized and everyone is on a higher plane of existence, or destroyed reapers. All while there are still no Mass Relays, your game would suck if you didn't choose synthesize.
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Bioware wiped out player choices in Dragon Age 1 to 2, so there's a canonical ending in there, or being worked on.

Unless Bioware truly did want to remove any possibility of ever continuing and growing this franchise by destroying all life and methods of transportation in their sci-fi universe.
 
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