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Someone mentioned yesterday that he didn't need a physical, so he should be good to go.
2012 NBA Mar |OT| Knicks fans now drinking JD in straight shots
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Someone mentioned yesterday that he didn't need a physical, so he should be good to go.
Where did I say anything remotely close to this? I just don't like his rotations. I think he can mix things up more. I would try and keep Hill in more with the 2nd Unit. Have him run the offense. I'd also play Dudley more minutes with the 2nd Unit and if you need to keep his number lower, put Brown in with the starters (don't actually start him).
I was only using +/- for the comparison with Telfair and Price because you obviously think Telfair is better and somehow you have watched them both play. I don't know how else to convince you then. Neither are starters but Price is a better player for us off the bench. Telfair should not be getting any minutes at all. Hopefully Brooks will come back for the rest of the season and this point will be moot.
CommonSense
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jordan0386
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CBS gives Chuck a proper script, and he sounds like Hubie Brown out here.
Just filter the man, TNT. His vocabulary is not great. Year after year of letting him run wild because of decent ratings in wrong
Just filter the man, TNT. His vocabulary is not great. Year after year of letting him run wild because of decent ratings in wrong
CommonSense
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Sessions is a go. expect limited minutes.
One of the articles I read before the draft that year had a guy watching Oden just walk. The author noted that you can often tell how good a big man can be by just seeing how he moves in street clothes and Oden could barely put one foot in front of the other.
Such a bad move by Portland. I grew up one town over from the HS that Sam Bowie went to. It's amazing seeing the parallels. Bowie at least got 10 seasons out of his career though. Oden may not even get one complete one.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Oden is a bust because of the injuries, that's not debatable.
But he is good at basketball, its not fair to judge his skill when his body didnt allow him to compete. Even more unfair to compare him to a player that has developed through the years and then be like "har har I was right"
Oden is easily the biggest bust in NBA history. Doesn't matter how it happened. Sam Bowie was a good player too when he wasn't hurt, which is most of the time. Ammo blew out his knee and I don't see anyone saying he isn't a bust either.
Bill Simmons:
The Oden pick set the blazers back badly. Durant is a top 5 player on a contending team. Portland just blew it up and is rebuilding again. Oden is a huge bust.
CommonSense
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You are judged on what you contribute. Period.
My left hand might as well be amputated. It's that useless for me when I'm playing ball.
Gully State
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You mean Melo doesn't want to be a productive basketball player? Matrix numbers during that era were quite impressive..
CommonSense
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Pressed quote on the wrong guy lol - chill
jordan0386
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ESPN has always doomed MDA with their approach to his offense. Always have had to have the bullet point question of will this system win a championship. Why wont they play defense?
Never respected the change in the guard.
SF became the anchor, not the center. Lots of 3s, limited post presence. They've always played some D. They won .600 of their games. Just really cant stand producers at ESPN sometimes.
IMO, MDA will be coaching WAS next season.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Revisionist history is not a hot look.
Cant exactly predict injuries, thats why Oden wasnt a bad pick. The people back then who were making those injury concerns were a minority, and not even a vocal one.
Flynn hate is valid because he had ONE good game
jordan0386
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Sadly, people will want a lotto pick for Kemba Walker too.
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
What? People just wanted him gone. The rumor was him in some package for Indiana's 10th pick back in 2010. Nobody expected a high pick for him.
jordan0386
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New Orleans Hornets. Forever.
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/03/state_of_louisiana_to_announce.html
http://www.nola.com/hornets/index.ssf/2012/03/state_of_louisiana_to_announce.html
You ARE judged by what you contribute and So Oden is judged because of circumstances beyond his control.
jordan0386
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No, he is a bust. It didnt pan out. Just because we feel for him doesnt make it any less true.
Based on draft position and team expectations, getting hurt every year was not the plan. I'd imagine.
darkside31337
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So uh who the hell is buying the Hornets now?
KidA Seven
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I'm very late to this, but god damn.
The requirement in order to get your jersey retired by the Lakers, is to be in the Hall of Fame.
Fisher will not be in the Hall of Fame.
Thus you are wrong.
Just admit it ffs. If you honestly feel Fisher will make the Hall of Fame, you would have a point. But nobody, and I mean nobody should think he will make the Hall of Fame. No Hall of Fame = no retired jersey.
No Hall of Fame = no retired jersey.
I've said this before, I'll say it again. MDA's offense is fun to watch but it's not something championship teams can be built on. With the floor spaced and the corners filled offensive rebounding and transition D suffers. Both crucial in tight playoff games. And if you're playing the type of small lineup needed for PnR and 3 shooters that MAD likes your defense and defensive rebounding suffers too. Doesn't matter how efficient your offense is, if you can't rebound or play D well because you're fielding a small lineup you're probably gonna lose at some point. Not to mention, MAD's offense doesn't give you many FT's either as it's perimeter oriented.
I know people will disagree, but that's been my opinion on that offense. SVG can kinda make it work with Dwight who single handily covers rebounding, defense, and getting the other team in foul trouble by himself. But MAD's system doesn't work well with post up players like Dwight
Rodeo Clown
All aboard! The Love train!
I think the NBA negotiating a new lease is just wrong. They may currently own the team, but they have to sell it eventually. It should be up to the new owners of the team.
And they have their priorities out of whack, fighting so hard to save a terrible market when they made no effort in Seattle.
Portland was the most efficient offense for several years playing ISO-ball, and never won more than 2 games in the playoffs.
Plus, you're too pussy-whipped these days to be trolling on forums.
I understand what you're saying, I just think its funny. Conley was my favorite player from that draft. I had him going 3rd.
I don't hate Oden, but I always liked Durant more than him. Because Conley's great play in college was always marginalized because of Oden. And I never liked that.
iamshadowlark
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Yea but the Heat do a bit more than just ISO-ball.
Babbitt will get playing time now that your idiot coach is gone. Don't be scared homey.
I agree, injuries or not, you gotta consider Oden a major bust.
Just like everyone else, I feel bad for him because he didn't get to live up to his potential... but it is what it is. It's over.
Doesn't help that he was picked ahead of a guy who's in the MVP race this season either.
Just like everyone else, I feel bad for him because he didn't get to live up to his potential... but it is what it is. It's over.
Doesn't help that he was picked ahead of a guy who's in the MVP race this season either.
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Thats how Knicks fans deal with being Knicks fans, misdirection.
Its like they all watch "The Prestige" as group therapy
I make an exception for ipad/ios/future of gaming threads.
TheGreatMightyPoo
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Oden couldn't even stay out of foul trouble in the NCAA tournament despite being known for his defense.
Sucks what happened to him, he didn't get a real chance in the NBA but I doubt he would have been anything special.
Sucks what happened to him, he didn't get a real chance in the NBA but I doubt he would have been anything special.
CoffeeJanitor
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Erm what? Anyone that watched Oden play knew that he would be special if healthy.
Bynum?
I like how "the Dark Ages" for Lakers fans includes back-to-back chips.
MorisUkunRasik
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Oden got dealt a shitty hand. He was surprisingly decent the times I watched him despite missing huge chunks of the season. If he could stay healthy and get it together he could have been around as developed as Bynum is now.
Roy-Batum-LMA-Oden would have rocked teams. Post scoring and defense in both bigs, mid range from everyone not Oden and decent long ball from Roy and Batum. One of the best starting lineups if not the best.
Roy-Batum-LMA-Oden would have rocked teams. Post scoring and defense in both bigs, mid range from everyone not Oden and decent long ball from Roy and Batum. One of the best starting lineups if not the best.
Oden was already putting up Bynum numbers (16-11ish) before his kneecap split in half in less playing time. The other big difference? Oden was a much better defensive prospect.
CoffeeJanitor
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+1000 damm
Prototype-03
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This. He was a monster. I could see why Portland held onto him for so long even though he saw no playing time.
He's playing well, not the trashes on the team from that era.
It like an intestine cleansing dump you just took, feelsgoodman.jpg
ClovingWestbrook
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I also like how the golden age for Knicks fans were making the playoffs.
CoffeeJanitor
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Gerald Wallace frachise player
Knux-Future
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Terrence Williams got cut.
I thought he would be an okay NBA player....guess not.
I thought he would be an okay NBA player....guess not.
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