Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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SerArthurDayne said:
Problem is that even the Turians and Quarians have to stop for resources at some point. I believe it is mentioned in Codex and other stuff throughout the series. And also there is no fuel to make the cross galaxy trip back home, if that is what they decided to do.

However, the Reapers apparently move a lot faster, since they cross the entirety of dark space in like 2.5 years. So since they are dead, maybe just power them up and you can take people home with them? Problem solved.

Of course, I'm not sure why I was able to fly circles around them if this is true.
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Bu bu bu indoctrination!

The dead Reaper in ME2 was still fucking with everyone on board.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Problem is that even the Turians and Quarians have to stop for resources at some point. I believe it is mentioned in Codex and other stuff throughout the series. And also there is no fuel to make the cross galaxy trip back home, if that is what they decided to do.

However, the Reapers apparently move a lot faster, since they cross the entirety of dark space in like 2.5 years. So since they are dead, maybe just power them up and you can take people home with them? Problem solved.

Of course, I'm not sure why I was able to fly circles around them if this is true.
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Because BWWAAAAAAAAAAM.
 
some people argue that when a piece of art is released to the public, the artist loses ownership of it. Again you hear this a lot when talking about films, usually for the exact opposite reason as what we are discussing (changes having been made after release) but I think the arguement still applies here. This may all be redundant anyway, it could still be indoctrination.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Problem is that even the Turians and Quarians have to stop for resources at some point. I believe it is mentioned in Codex and other stuff throughout the series. And also there is no fuel to make the cross galaxy trip back home, if that is what they decided to do.

However, the Reapers apparently move a lot faster, since they cross the entirety of dark space in like 2.5 years. So since they are dead, maybe just power them up and you can take people home with them? Problem solved.

Of course, I'm not sure why I was able to fly circles around them if this is true.
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5 Legs are better than 2.
 
Torn about the ending.

At first it made sense, the stupid kid is just a friendly manifestation for Shepherd to listen to so whatever.

The choices of End of synthetics/Control/Synthesis made perfect sense and honestly saw them coming in Mass effect 2.



Then there are two big fucking issues.

No Mass relays = no Mass effect universe expansion which REALLY sucks since it's my favorite universe in any entertainment medium.

IF they are going to kill off the entire universe why show me Shepherd gasping? That's fucking dumb.

IF either

A. Mass relays were still available without control

or


B. Shepherd was just dead.

I'd be 100% fine with the ending.
 
StuBurns said:
Don't they all use mass effect drives in their ships? They can build Mass Relays if they care too I imagine.
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Actually, they can't. Because they don't really understand how to make them. Even the Protheans were only beginning to experiment, and could barely make one that went one way.
 
Zeal said:
I seriously expect the first DLC to have Shepard simply crawling out of the rubble, after being awoken by Garrus of course, saying something along the lines of "Come in, command. This is Shepard. How long was I out?!" and then having somekind of epic final battle with Harbinger.

Reaper's then proceed to get their asses handed to them, all fleets have some incredible celebratory FMV, then everyone flies home through the relays happy.

The bricks that would be shat would be of legend.
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I would buy this.
 
StuBurns said:
Don't they all use mass effect drives in their ships? They can build Mass Relays if they care too I imagine.
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It's unfathomable technology to the races, along with the Citadel. Potentially with the Control Reapers ending, you can get them to rebuild the Mass Relays. Otherwise, tough luck!
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Yeah, but they still have to fly 75 years to place one. Plus, you know, building costs and time.
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Seventy five years is ultimately not a very long time. I can't imagine why people would assume they could fix everything over night.

Zeliard said:
It's unfathomable technology to the races, along with the Citadel. Potentially with the Control Reapers ending, you can get them to rebuild the Mass Relays. Otherwise, tough luck!
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Maybe not literally a mass relay then, but rival technologies. They have superluminal space crafts already I believe.
 
They have utterly no clue how the Mass Relays work. Doesn't matter how many years. The Asari scientists have been around for ages and they haven't the slightest idea. They can't do anything about it without the Reapers.
 
StuBurns said:
You believe you should have authorship over ME3's story because you paid and played ME1 and 2? I did too, does that mean I should get to write it? Maybe we should get everyone who did play the other two together in a room, we'll have a show of hands and write the whole game by committee, line by line.
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Of course I don't, but I also don't buy into this notion that you have of that the writers are spineless if they waver with this ending. I think it's a disservice and a giant middle finger to the fans with their whole LOTS OF SPECULATION ending...

At the end of the day, it's a business, and if you don't keep your customers happy...what have you been doing for the last 5 years? Writing this game to feed your ego? Look guys, I pulled an ambiguous ending! aren't I deep?
 
StuBurns said:
You believe you should have authorship over ME3's story because you paid and played ME1 and 2? I did too, does that mean I should get to write it? Maybe we should get everyone who did play the other two together in a room, we'll have a show of hands and write the whole game by committee, line by line.
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Would be better than the shit ending I just experienced ...
 
daoster said:
Of course I don't, but I also don't buy into this notion that you have of that the writers are spineless if they waver with this ending. I think it's a disservice and a giant middle finger to the fans with their whole LOTS OF SPECULATION ending...

At the end of the day, it's a business, and if you don't keep your customers happy...what have you been doing for the last 5 years? Writing this game to feed your ego? Look guys, I pulled an ambiguous ending! aren't I deep?
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Art in this motherfucker!!!
 
There is another problem with the entire "They can just build new Mass Relays" line of thought; even assuming that they built and aligned one, wouldn't they also have to coordinate with the cut-off systems to build a second Relay to get to? How would they have the resources to build a second one, let alone coordinating with the Sol System fleets?
 
daoster said:
Of course I don't, but I also don't buy into this notion that you have of that the writers are spineless if they waver with this ending. I think it's a disservice and a giant middle finger to the fans with their whole LOTS OF SPECULATION ending...

At the end of the day, it's a business, and if you don't keep your customers happy...what have you been doing for the last 5 years? Writing this game to feed your ego? Look guys, I pulled an ambiguous ending! aren't I deep?
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Amen brotha
 
StuBurns said:
Maybe not literally a mass relay then, but rival technologies. They have superluminal space crafts already I believe.
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The best they have at that point is indeed faster-than-light travel. As far as interstellar travel - bouncing around from one solar system to another instantaneously - they're largely out of luck.

MechaX said:
There is another problem with the entire "They can just build new Mass Relays" line of thought; even assuming that they built and aligned one, wouldn't they also have to coordinate with the cut-off systems to build a second Relay to get to? How would they have the resources to build a second one, let alone coordinating with the Sol System fleets?
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That's a problem but even then I think it's moot. They can't even build a single one. The series greatly emphasizes that these technologies are significantly beyond any of the races' comprehension.
 
Zeliard said:
They have utterly no clue how the Mass Relays work. Doesn't matter how many years. The Asari scientists have been around for ages and they haven't the slightest idea. They can't do anything about it without the Reapers.
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That's what I was trying to say earlier. It's been a few thousand years since the asari got to the citadel and in all that time they weren't even a little closer to learning how to build one. They're all pretty much fucked in this ending.
 
The problem with FTL flight isn't so much time or distance but fuel. They can't run their FTL drives for very long without refueling or discharging the cores. They need eezo.
 
Zeliard said:
They have utterly no clue how the Mass Relays work. Doesn't matter how many years. The Asari scientists have been around for ages and they haven't the slightest idea. They can't do anything about it without the Reapers.
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Biotic powers are mini mass effect fields. They do understand how they work. They have the foundation for making their own mass relays.
 
Obvious spoilers for the PS3 puzzle game, Catherine. My bro just beat this, and told me that there are a bunch of crazy endings, that all depend on what actions you took during the game.

Catherine Ending Descriptions

Katherine (True) Vincent and Katherine get back together and there's an extended wedding scene. Erica, the waitress, turns out to be transsexual.

Catherine (True) Vincent asks Catherine to marry him and she gets permission from her father, Satan, and accepts. They move to the underworld together. In an extra scene, we see Vincent surrounded by demon ladies in the underworld.

Freedom (True) Vincent decides to ditch both of his love interests and takes out a loan. He bets it on wrestling and wins. In a bonus scene, Vincent moves to space (!).

Katherine (Good) Vincent and Katherine get back together.

Catherine (Good) Vincent asks Catherine to marry him and she gets permission from her father, Satan, and accepts. They move to the underworld together.

Freedom (Good) Vincent decides to ditch both of his love interests and takes out a loan. He bets it on wrestling and loses.

Katherine (Bad) Katherine leaves Vincent.

Catherine (Bad) Vincent asks Catherine to marry him and she declines because she's a demon.

Would have been nice for Bioware to put that effort into the game.

I understand that the choices made during the prequels impact the events of ME3, but it's a little disappointing that everyone gets pretty much the same ending. As I said before, getting a Fallout style ending where it gave different epilogues to each race would have been good. And if they didn't go with Bink videos they could have had more variation in the cut scenes. Maybe the Rachni help? Maybe Geth? Etc.
 
Jake Tower said:
Biotic powers are mini mass effect fields. They do understand how they work. They have the foundation for making their own mass relays.
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Mass effect fields are not the same as mass relays. They know how mass effect fields work and can build ships that allow faster than light travel using mass effect fields. But that allows a few lightyears a day and require lots of fuel (which sucks when the Milky Way is over 100000 LY in diameter). Mass relays are a completely different level of tech.
 
Oh shit just realized.

What the hell did my effective military strength change?

I played some multi so it was over 6k. If it was 2-3-4k is there a different cutscene with way more people dying or?
 
Zeliard said:
The best they have at that point is indeed faster-than-light travel. As far as interstellar travel - bouncing around from one solar system to another instantaneously - they're largely out of luck.
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Faster-than-light is not a speed, it's above a speed. Logistically, I can't see how you could travel faster than light, and still not be able to move as fast as via the relays. The issue with faster than light travel is the greater speed you gather, the greater mass, the greater power required to continue accelerating, inherently limiting your speed under any possible circumstance. If you somehow over come that issue, I don't see the limitation above that.

It's impossible to speculate as to what they could and couldn't do after the end point of the game. They've just built a device people have been trying and failing to build for a massive amount of time. Something the Protheans didn't manage in time. At the end of ME3, the galaxy has lots of access to Reaper technology, in some endings they have reapers, and geth with reaper code. I think it's wholly possible they could, within the context of the story so far, rebuild Mass Relays past the ending of ME3.
 
DLC should be Shepard waking up from the Geth consciousness and Legion telling him that he failed the test of saving the world in his simulation. Bioware, you can take it from there.
 
I think bottom line for me is that I think games are not first and foremost art. They are first and foremost an entertainment product, and the people who make them are craftsmen first and artist second.

So I don't give a crap about their "artistic integrity" if they've failed at the craftsmanship of give me a satisfactory product. Fix whatever is wrong with your product.

If I hire a painter to do a portrait of me, and the result is a surrealist interpretation that does not look like me at all. I'll insist that the painter fix the painting so that it looks like me. Would it be "spineless" for him to agree to do so, or do I have to settle for his "original vision". I'll respect him more for fixing it, because that's shows a professional dedication to his craft.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Problem is that even the Turians and Quarians have to stop for resources at some point. I believe it is mentioned in Codex and other stuff throughout the series. And also there is no fuel to make the cross galaxy trip back home, if that is what they decided to do.
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The galaxy isn't that empty, it's not like there aren't any colonies beween Earth and Tuchanka, Sur'Kesh, Palaven, Thessia and Rannoch.
 
StuBurns said:
It's impossible to speculate as to what they could and couldn't do after the end point of the game. They've just built a device people have been trying and failing to build for a massive amount of time. Something the Protheans didn't manage in time. At the end of ME3, the galaxy has lots of access to Reaper technology, in some endings they have reapers, and geth with reaper code. I think it's wholly possible they could, within the context of the story so far, rebuild Mass Relays past the ending of ME3.
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They were able to build the device because they had the blueprints for it and because the Shepard was able to rally all the races together to build it. They don't have a blueprint for the relays nor will they have the ressources to acquire them.

The 3 games make it pretty clear that humanity expanded outside of the Sol system because they extracted all the ressources from the planets inside the system. Earth is also supposed to depends on other worlds from ressources. For instance, Element Zero is scarce and Thessia is supposed to be the main place to get it from.

Now every world are isolated, Earth is ravaged by the reapers. Multiple fleets are stuck in the Sol System. Good luck trying to find the stuff to build the realys.
 
Kurtofan said:
The Prothean used them as weapons but they rebelled and they thought they exterminated them but nope.
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That whole Arachni storyline was completely useless. I saved her in ME1 with the thought process that she would have millions upon millions of arachni soldiers ready to fight the reapers when the time came. Nope, she manages to get imprisoned once more and I had to save her sorry behind again. Now instead of feared warriors I have arachni scientists helping to build the crucible. :^/ I should have allowed her to be executed.
 
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