SerArthurDayne
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Yeah. I was really hoping the Crucible was like a super laser or something. Like we can put starchild in a glass dome and use him as a powersource to destroy his reapers one by one.
Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE
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Hackett out!
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So if the next game went and explicitly disavowed the theory you would...
...find it just less likely, not disproved. Hmm, is there any way you would ever dismiss the indoctrination theory?
So nothing they ever do matters unless it's in favor of your own opinion.
Sorry to be so crass, but you seem to be more hurt and in denial over the ending not being what you wanted than anything else. You have to accept what they did to move on. You can believe the indoctrination theory or any other fan-fiction in your heart as a 'true' ending more in spirit with the game but the official version is what it is and that's not going to change.
I always preferred Blade Runner being ambiguous, but the Director's Cut and Ridley Scott's own comments make it clear he designed the film with Replicant in mind, even though the writer preferred ambiguous and Harrison Ford wanted human (iirc). The original cut is still ambiguous, but the DC is not.
I think I just need to let this argument with you go, though I do hope you're using those terms in an ironic fashion. Oh god what am I doing, I'm stereotyping and being insulting. I've been really arguing with myself the whole time, it's an allegory for my own struggles to accept the ending, I've become what I hate most.
Robot Pants
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I lol'd!
"Sorry there was a grapefruit jammed under the firing pedal. All good here. How are things on your end, Shepard?"
"well actually-"
"OHP, No time for that, Shepard! The Crucible is doing stuff!"
I would take that.
Then, we need a 2D pixel art of the Reapers blowing up with the appropriate sound effects.
(it would actually be better than what we have)
Escape Goat
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Marauder Shields shows up to finish the job.
Freeza Under The Shower
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yup. $9,99 well spend.
"you will end because we demand it"
How's that for entitlement? Stupid Nazarra, all genderbending in your stupid shell..
Your destruction, brought to you by BioWare. That'll be $10.
As a fan of the three games, the way Bioware has responded and the way some members of the press have patronized me and characterized me leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Apparently I'm suffering from an entitlement complex, and apparently I'm also too stupid to see through cleverly worded PR manipulation.
At least when I read this thread I can see I'm not the only one. I can only pity those like Ben Kuchera who think it's simply a matter of being upset at a bleak ending and can't recognize all the plot holes, inconsistencies and poorly written one-way dialog that made the ending the nasty pile of rotten garbage that it is.
At least when I read this thread I can see I'm not the only one. I can only pity those like Ben Kuchera who think it's simply a matter of being upset at a bleak ending and can't recognize all the plot holes, inconsistencies and poorly written one-way dialog that made the ending the nasty pile of rotten garbage that it is.
People like Ben , Sterling , Jason at kotaku think they are a lot smarter than they really are. It's just the way shit goes. I actually liked Ben but he turned into kind of a Dick recently. BTW who are you if you don't mind me asking?
he then describes how awesome the space battle is over the comm.
there is no cutscene, just hackett's description.
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It's like watching a train-wreck.
Read: "I dunno lolz, DLC will fix it."
On the other hand, how much crow will we be eating if the Truth DLC turns out to be true?
@JessicaMerizan main thing I want to hear about is whyd my squad abandon me? Theres no Shepard without Vakarian. Best friends to the end
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@Jump919 that's likely something that wouldn't be addressed in a blog post. We're listening to your feedback for content- you deserve it
Read: "I dunno lolz, DLC will fix it."
On the other hand, how much crow will we be eating if the Truth DLC turns out to be true?
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"oh man this is soooooo cooooool"
Escape Goat
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And then theres a party and someone yells EDIs giving lapdances, meanwhile Shepard has to listen to the celebration as she slowly bleeds out because Anderson forgot to turn the comm off.
Well, it's a theory that questions the nature of reality. It is, by nature, not falsifiable. We can't really prove our own reality exists, let alone a videogame characters. With ME3 set up the way it is, I think there is enough evidence to consider it a serious possibility, and even likely given how little sense the actual ending made. But it could also be that Shepard has been in a dream from as far back as when he first touched the prothean beacon. He could be in a dream from even before then. No, it's not falsifiable, but there is a point where it's likelihood is so small that it's not feasible to believe in it.
No, what I mean by that I separate companies from their products. I thought you were asking me about Bioware's business practices, with the DLC thing and all, but while I find it shady, I'm going to buy it because I care about the ME universe, not bioware themselves.
The indoctrination theory is not fanfiction because it doesn't happen outside the canon of what the series does. Again, bioware's word here means nothing to me, so we are looking at ME3 alone, and the indoctrination theory is perfectly plausible within that context. There is nothing being made up here.
Though I find it ironic that you insist on placing your own interpretation of my mindset when I, the authority of it, am telling you otherwise.
Okay? For some reason you keep disregarding the fact that I don't care what the creator says. Again, if you do, that's fine, but are we discussing my point of view here, or yours. So Ridley says it was made with the replicant in mind, what of it? Why can't those 2 films exist on their own independantly of each other, with one saying one thing and the other saying another?
And you STILL, after 3 posts, haven't answered me what happens when an author changes his mind in the middle of the project. What will happen if Bioware goes with the indoctrination theory in their DLC? How do you reconcile the idea of original intention with new content of the same continuity made with different intention?
Yes, that was a joke /edi
...Though he DOES display the traits. And you don't even have authors intentions to hide behind this one.
I like to imagine that's exactly how he sounds when he's drunk.
Apophenia Overload
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Not only would that explain space magic, it would be tone-appropriate since from what I know about Witcher it's a lot more believable for a witcher to go around having sex in a grim fantasy world where coitus is currency, as opposed to some hard-bitten kick-ass military commander on a desperate mission to save the galaxy. Then again, pretty much all of the times Shepard has sex in the games it's before the biggest mission where people are gonna die, so that just makes his sex depressing. Kirk or Picard he ain't.
yes. bingo. wow, thought the same exact thing.
Freeza Under The Shower
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Much like the 'angels versus demons' episode of Southpark.
Hackett just going all:
"ooooow, and that reaper is sooo getting busted up right now"
"ah darn it, we lost [insert ship]"
"I see some lifepods, but not a whole lot"
"aaah! Man, that exploding Reaper nearly blinded me. Good job men, keep up the fight!"
damn thing writes itself.
THIS IS TEN TIMES BIGGER THAN THE FINAL BATTLE IN STAR WARS.
Also, I loved Javik being a total asshole. Protheans had this air throughout the series as these high-minded ancient Greek scholars and philosophers, peaceniks who transcended violence and spent all day theorizing and working on science and unlocking the universe's secrets, until the Reapers came and ruined this intellectual utopia. Then you find out they're actually Augustus-era Roman douchebags who subjugated everyone because they could.
Robot Pants
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We have a winner.
Edit the OP. NOW!
Either that or jump into these lasers. Your choice.
Edit the OP. NOW!
Either that or jump into these lasers. Your choice.
I meant that all of us fans of the series who hate the ending are being patronized.
http://www.destructoid.com/mass-eff...&utm_campaign=Feed:+Destructoid+(Destructoid)
I like max but Jesus , these ppl are annoying. Sorry I shouldn't of even linked this probably.
I like max but Jesus , these ppl are annoying. Sorry I shouldn't of even linked this probably.
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EmCeeGramr
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I like how they introduce this bigger-than-the-galaxy omniscient AI that runs the godlike bad guys and it's a little brat with a bad lisp.
"NO! You can't!"
-Catalyst, either telling Shepard humans must be harvested, or throwing a tantrum over someone breaking the rules at recess
Nice :lol
Judging by the face he's making I'd say he's in the middle of some intense speculating.
SerArthurDayne
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Blasto was the best part of the game! I would have rather banged an Elcor escort than got that ending. Coquettish minx!
First of all kudos to Bioware dropping that on a Friday night. Way to let it get buried.
Secondly, looks like they're playing off the DA2 playbook.
Talk about how great their game is and how the critics love it, thus subtly insinuating that those who have problems with it are wrong and a minority, and then pay lip service to their concerns.
Great.
The PAX Panel is definitely going to be a bloodbath. I pity the poor community managers.
Secondly, looks like they're playing off the DA2 playbook.
Talk about how great their game is and how the critics love it, thus subtly insinuating that those who have problems with it are wrong and a minority, and then pay lip service to their concerns.
Great.
The PAX Panel is definitely going to be a bloodbath. I pity the poor community managers.
Exactly what I was thinking. This whole song and dance Bioware is doing it giving me flashbacks of how they handled DA2 backlash.
None, because there won't be a Truth DLC unless they are planning it at this very moment. I don't think they have enough speculation to create it.
The Truth is supposed to release next month.
EmCeeGramr
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"Catalyssssst, if you don't tell me show me your grades then I'm taking away your new Nintendo."
"NO! You CAN'T!"
"NO! You CAN'T!"
Freeza Under The Shower
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I was kidding of course. We only got a hanar as DLC, in a video no less (and then it cuts back to Javik). What exactly is so hard about animating a Hanar?
There's an excellent write-up on the BSN forums from a former PR damage control employee, describing the various strategies BioWare and EA are working through right now.
SerArthurDayne
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No, there was a Hanar sidequest. Unless it was exclusive to Kasumi purchasers.
Zomba13
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Yup. It's all just PR moves to downplay this whole thing.
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They are following it
"Can we just keep our own bodies?"
"No, you can't."
"Why not?"
"If you do, you will be harvested by synthetics."
"You mean like now?"
"That you are standing here is proof my solution no longer works."
"Why?"
"...I need a new solution."
"Why?"
"Please pick your favorite color."
"Can I please speak to the manager?"
"No, you can't."
"Why not?"
"If you do, you will be harvested by synthetics."
"You mean like now?"
"That you are standing here is proof my solution no longer works."
"Why?"
"...I need a new solution."
"Why?"
"Please pick your favorite color."
"Can I please speak to the manager?"
Mister Wilhelm
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I bought a lot of their games, and I know for a fact I will never buy another one again.
I didn't even buy the day one DLC despite caring deeply about the lore. I refused. The only reason I bought the third game after all of the horror brought on by DA2 and TOR and the treatment of their core fans was to see how it all finally unfolded.
Joke's on me.
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Well if I use your logic, than I could just say if Bioware does DLC indoctrination, it doesn't matter because it all depends on what we think works better. We've both pointed out that we cannot actually debate each other because we are proponents of ideas that necessitate the foundation for the others to be false, (author/context matter, only the work itself matters). I don't think there's much more for us to go on because we're coming at it from such divergent viewpoints that undercut the evidence each offers.
Zomba13
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Oh wow.
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I need a tumblr account now? T_T
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To be fair, being a child, he probably does actually want to know what your favourite colour is.
Nothing except head trauma...
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