Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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It's okay. They want you to speculate, but you shouldn't accept their PR so easily. :p


4chan.

It wasn't accpetance it was reading like 1/4th of it hahahahaha.
I scanned it for Shepard notes then made a comment then put my head down at my desk and wished for sweet sleep!
 
oh. right. forgot about that one.

It's so easy to miss and forget 'missions' in this game. The most time I spend with that quest was finding the stupid connectors or whatever.

It's funny, such an easily forgotten or missed side quest, but one that decides the fate of an entire species in the blink of an eye.
 
Nah, /v/.

Yah well... they need to stop deflecting too. There's an extremely early design doc in the Final Hours App that use the word mainstream like six times and its only one page long. It dates back to 2005 which four years before EA bought their studio. The path that Bioware has been going down has been their own they just didn't figure out how to do it till the after EA bought them.
 
Yah well... they need to stop deflecting too. There's an extremely early design doc in the Final Hours App that use the word mainstream like six times and its only one page long. It dates back to 2005 which four years before EA bought their studio. The path that Bioware has been going down has been their own they just didn't figure out how to do it till the after EA bought them.

I think most of us realize this. The picture is still funny though.
 
Yah well... they need to stop deflecting too. There's an extremely early design doc in the Final Hours App that use the word mainstream like six times and its only one page long. It dates back to 2005 which four years before EA bought their studio. The path that Bioware has been going down has been their own they just didn't figure out how to do it till the after EA bought them.
I need to read that.
 
SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THE ME1 CREW?

Your bosom buds from the beginning. They stuck it out for years, never wavering. And you repaid their loyalty by never getting them killed (well except that one loser), never failing to help them out. So let's see how they ended up with this handy guide!

Garrus Vakarian:
Hopes: This turian C-Sec officer was tired of the small time and dreamed of becoming an elite Spectre agent. When Commander Shepard recruited him, Garrus knew he could make his dreams come true.
Result: Garrus never became a Spectre, even though the Virmire Survivor who probably distrusted Spectres did. He was stranded on an unknown alien planet that lacked the dextro foods that turians like Garrus requires. He was probably tempted many times by hunger delirium to feast on the corpse of his good friend Tali'Zorah vas Normandy, but instead resisted before slowly fading away while all his friends watched.

Tali'Zorah nar Rayya vas Normandy
Hopes: Like many quarians, Tali was devoted to her people. She dreamed of reclaiming their homeworld, Rannoch, and building a home there so that her species could live in peace.
Result: Tali was stranded on an unknown alien planet, cut off from the society that quarian life revolves around, doomed to know that she would never again see her people, and that the quarians would be centuries away from ever returning to the homeworld they spent so many years longing to return to. Given Tali's previous possible behavior, she most likely committed suicide rather than succumb to starvation.

Urdnot Wrex:
Hopes: The leader of the krogan Clan Urdnot, Wrex hoped to reverse the fatalistic attitudes of his people and the effects of the genophage, restoring their proud warrior culture.
Result: Wrex was stranded on Earth. He would probably never see the children he fathered with Eve, for the political upheaval on Tuchanka caused by his absence and the collapse of galactic society would most likely result in chaos. Left on Earth with once again fatalistic krogan, Wrex has been dealt the ultimate emasculation of his manhood by fate. Most likely disillusioned, Wrex will either spend centuries fighting back to find the desecrated graves of his family on Tuchanka, or be unceremoniously gunned down by human soldiers after going wild in a fit of blood rage.

Dr. Liara T'Soni
Hopes: To study the galaxy's past and leave hope for the galaxy's future.
Result: Liara was stranded on an unknown alien planet. Apart from the AI, EDI, Liara would outlive all of her friends, watching many generations of human survivors be born and die, possibly never knowing exactly what happened to Shepard or the galaxy, forced to live a long, lonely, and loveless life.

The Virmire Survivor (Major Kaiden Alenko/Lieutenant Commander Ashley Williams)
Hopes: Eh
Result: Eh


So keep up the galactic adventurin' Sheparinos, and we'll catch you on the flip side!

*claps* tell us what happens to jacob

I bet its that he stayed fucking boring but that the space beam shocked his skin into a pale white tone

he then ran for president as the 2012 gop nominee
 
Yah well... they need to stop deflecting too. There's an extremely early design doc in the Final Hours App that use the word mainstream like six times and its only one page long. It dates back to 2005 which four years before EA bought their studio. The path that Bioware has been going down has been their own they just didn't figure out how to do it till the after EA bought them.

Its /v/. They hate everything and blame everyone.
 
I need to read that.

I'd post it if I had access to an iPad right now, but unfortunately the one I use is my room mate. Its worth noting the original citadel was actually supposed be a like a capital city from an MMO where players could connect and trade loot. There was also some idea for a crafting system. That was the extent of the connectivity though.
 
So keep up the galactic adventurin' Sheparinos, and we'll catch you on the flip side!

Nihlus Kryik:
Hopes: To get to the bottom of the mysteries on Eden Prime.
Results: Killed by his former mentor, his body was somehow smuggled to the Reapers at an unknown time, where it was made into a Marauder reinforced with Shields. Indoctrinated into an anti-Shepard program, the Nihlus shell was one of the best minions the Reaper arsenal boasted, achieving 97.835% lethality and success rates in the field. Finally met its match when fighting an injured Shepard in the ruins of London. Despite the termination of the shell, this Marauder unit was forever lionized within the Reaper hivemind, achieving posthumous honors and awards. Great songs of terrible splendor devoted to his actions were composed in a trillion languages synthesized from the tongues of long-reaped species.
 
Nihlus Kryik:
Hopes: To get to the bottom of the mysteries on Eden Prime.
Results: Killed by his former mentor, his body was somehow smuggled to the Reapers at an unknown time, where it was made into a Marauder reinforced with Shields. Indoctrinated into an anti-Shepard program, the Nihlus shell was one of the best minions the Reaper arsenal boasted, achieving 97.835% lethality and success rates in the field. Finally met its match when fighting an injured Shepard in the ruins of London. Despite the termination of the shell, this Marauder unit was forever lionized within the Reaper hivemind, achieving posthumous honors and awards. Great songs of terrible splendor devoted to his actions were composed in a trillion languages synthesized from the tongues of long-reaped species.

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You know the ending is nuts when you can't even fake spoil it.

"Haha everyone dies!"
"Shepard dies!"
"The universe explodes!"
"It was all a dream!"

The end has SO many implications in just 10 minutes. That's the biggest problem.

AND THE UNIVERSE EXPLODES THE END!
 
Nihlus Kryik:
Hopes: To get to the bottom of the mysteries on Eden Prime.
Results: Killed by his former mentor, his body was somehow smuggled to the Reapers at an unknown time, where it was made into a Marauder reinforced with Shields. Indoctrinated into an anti-Shepard program, the Nihlus shell was one of the best minions the Reaper arsenal boasted, achieving 97.835% lethality and success rates in the field. Finally met its match when fighting an injured Shepard in the ruins of London. Despite the termination of the shell, this Marauder unit was forever lionized within the Reaper hivemind, achieving posthumous honors and awards. Great songs of terrible splendor devoted to his actions were composed in a trillion languages synthesized from the tongues of long-reaped species.

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But the problem is we view evidence for what makes sense with two different lens. If I take into account the author's intention and the context of its creation as evidence for whether an interpretation makes sense, you'd say that's not how you're supposed to do it and it doesn't count, I would say it does. I'm not saying only the author's intent matters, but that it doesn't not matter.

To be clear, I don't think that the author's intent doesn't matter at all either. All I'm saying is that it can be put aside when the need, such as this, arises. I'm not sure how it's relevant though, because we're discussing your point right now, not mine.

To your point though, you don't have to view the story as a whole any more than the 6 Star Wars movies are one story and not six individual movies. Is the real Star Wars story all 6 chronologically or two trilogies, 4-6 and then 1-3. Is the real video game the one with DLC or the one without? I don't know if I, or anyone, can give definitive answers to those kind of questions, but we can debate and talk about it. We can evaluate the product we are given, and reevaluate as the product changes.

So let's say Bioware adds post-game DLC that makes the ending different.It doesn't change what the original product was, and it doesn't change their state of mind and past intentions when creating it. They may have changed their mind as a result of fan reaction or they saw a financial opportunity to exploit, but that doesn't retroactively alter their past, it creates a new future thing we can evaluate.

This is not the same in Bioware's case, they had their original intent and the ending was as given. If they do new ending DLC to placate fans or exploit a financial possibility, we're seeing a new thing, but the change is due in response to something and doesn't represent the original/intended ending (unless they admit they had the DLC planned from the start, but that would entail taking into account the author's intent).

Now, when you say 'changes the ending' how do you mean that? Do you mean if they simply add in that the indoctrination theory was intentional or that they actually change what shepard actually did during the original game(for example, they say that shepard never actually talked to Starchild. The scene just didn't happen so we may as well erase it from our memories.)?

So, I'm not quite understanding what your saying. First you say that we will have to re-evaluate the new product as it changes. So we take whatever the present product is as canon, whatever the intentions of the past or future will be? But then you say what it was before still matters. In what way? Then you say that it depends on whether bioware did it for the right reasons or whether it was done because they're asshats. How would you even know for sure that bioware is telling the truth? So which is it exactly? Which do you take as canon, the 'official' sequence of events and what becomes of the versions left behind?
 
Nihlus Kryik:
Hopes: To get to the bottom of the mysteries on Eden Prime.
Results: Killed by his former mentor, his body was somehow smuggled to the Reapers at an unknown time, where it was made into a Marauder reinforced with Shields. Indoctrinated into an anti-Shepard program, the Nihlus shell was one of the best minions the Reaper arsenal boasted, achieving 97.835% lethality and success rates in the field. Finally met its match when fighting an injured Shepard in the ruins of London. Despite the termination of the shell, this Marauder unit was forever lionized within the Reaper hivemind, achieving posthumous honors and awards. Great songs of terrible splendor devoted to his actions were composed in a trillion languages synthesized from the tongues of long-reaped species.

Even ME3's shitacular ending can manage to bring a smile to my face in the form of things like this.
 
I actually found Casey Hudson's statement pretty reasonable.

Yet he did some PR speak, but he also admitted that many fans had problems with the ending and wanted more, and he said that ME is a collaborative effort and they are taking the fan feedback seriously.

I don't know what some of you expected him to say. But I think overall he said exactly what needed to be said. If they are serious about listening to the fans, then I think there really is only one place to go for them.
 
Did anyone relate or hav any attachment to shepard beyong him/her being an avatar of our choices?

Patrick brings this up on the bombcast that having shepard be more than a decision maker was a poor decision by bioware.

I disagree, beyond the dream/kid sequences they do a relay marvelous job in making me care for shepard as a character. Throughout Tuchunka, Thessia and the final earth mission, my shepard was more than an avatar of my description and I did felt empathetic about everything happening around her.

Just a thought...
 
I don't even know where the theory that he's made from Nihlus came from, one of the posts on the original /v/ thread suggested it, and it's been repeated in a few other places (BSN, Tumblr), so we might as well make this into actual fanon. And if Star Wars can turn fanon into canon, maybe Mass Effect will one day too.

It's just a funny joke.

One of the first people you meet in ME1 is Nihlus, a turian, and the last enemy you shoot in the series is a Marauder.
 
I actually found Casey Hudson's statement pretty reasonable.

Yet he did some PR speak, but he also admitted that many fans had problems with the ending and wanted more, and he said that ME is a collaborative effort and they are taking the fan feedback seriously.

It didn't read like "many" fans. In fact it read like he was trying to marginalize the amount of players who had a problem with it.
 
It was just pure PR, lol. I mean, he doesn't promise anything, and chances are they'll just go on with whatever content plans they had in place before the shitstorm.

Didn't expect anything else from Hudson (he's not in a position where he can speak out about stuff like this, tbh).
 
Dr. Liara T'Soni
Hopes: To study the galaxy's past and leave hope for the galaxy's future.
Result: Liara was stranded on an unknown alien planet. Apart from the AI, EDI, Liara would outlive all of her friends, watching many generations of human survivors be born and die, possibly never knowing exactly what happened to Shepard or the galaxy, forced to live a long, lonely, and loveless life.
And somehow she met a man called Kaim Argonar.
 
It was just pure PR, lol. I mean, he doesn't promise anything, and chances are they'll just go on with whatever content plans they had in place before the shitstorm.

Didn't expect anything else from Hudson (he's not in a position where he can speak out about stuff like this, tbh).

The dude just comes off as completely burnt out on the series to me.
I don't blame him if he is.
 
It was just pure PR, lol. I mean, he doesn't promise anything, and chances are they'll just go on with whatever content plans they had in place before the shitstorm.

Didn't expect anything else from Hudson (he's not in a position where he can speak out about stuff like this, tbh).

What we'll see are some DLC packs that continue Commander Shepard's journey...in side missions that run parallel to the main quest (Take Back Omega). At best we'll see a post game mission seen from the perspective of someone else, that covers what happens to our squadmates while Shepard is up in the Citadel.
 
DLC needs to be planned so far in advance that if there is DLC concerning the ending, it has little to do with angry vocal minority feed back.
 
I really was hoping for them to have this planned out and that rumor that the real ending was delayed due to time constraints ect. If they are just working on it now and listening for advice then I'm done. There's absolutely no way they could properly deliver the ending then... it'd be way too expensive/time consuming.
offtopic: EatChildren, you still visit HLfallout?

ontopic: not sure if posted, but this guy must do yoga, cause there is some serious stretching going on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8vra2WF2oY

Yes this guy basically sums it up:
"If they pull this off, it will be the utterly defining sci-fi moment of our generation. In 30 days from now, after patches/unlock codes go out, and there's a 4 hour conclusion, Mass Effect 3 would be hailed as one of the greatest video games of all time, and this would cement BioWare's status as RPG gods. Holy Mary, Mother of God, the breadth of it is just amazing. You take on Harbinger, make two or three life and death decisions, get an epilogue cinematic, and then worship BioWare FOREVER. "

If they don't have some epic ending DLC waiting in the wings they will be complete failures, if they do, this will be one of the greatest moments this generation for me.
 
Just out of curiosity, where did everyone find out about the planned Omega DLC? I've heard it all over the place and it sounds like a plausible place to take the post game.
 
I really was hoping for them to have this planned out and that rumor that the real ending was delayed due to time constraints ect. If they are just working on it now and listening for advice then I'm done. There's absolutely no way they could properly deliver the ending then... it'd be way too expensive/time consuming.

That is even worse, just delay the game and don't charge for some $10 for the real ending
 
The next Mass Effect will star James Vega and his massive biceps. You heard it first here.

The best and probably only good part about that ending was that fuckhead being stranded on a random planet somewhere.

The bad part is so was my bro Garrus and my girl Ashley *cries*
 
That is even worse, just delay the game and don't charge for some $10 for the real ending

Well if that was the case it was/should be free.

But if it was $10, I'd pay it. I don't care. I'd enjoy it up, and then stop buying Bioware games after that -- it'd even out. And this is the only series I'd be ok buying an ending to...
 
The best and probably only good part about that ending was that fuckhead being stranded on a random planet somewhere.

The bad part is so was my bro Garrus and my girl Ashley *cries*

Think of James Vega banging all the women and siring the start of the human race on this new planet.
 
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