AceBandage
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Well, there are very good reasons that works in progress games don't ever make it out.
They're often prone to crashes and awful glitching.
They're often prone to crashes and awful glitching.
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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But why would anyone want to hav esuch stuff. Most devs don't care about that stuff later on.
it's like: let's try this and that. Yeah no, didn't work out. Scratch it and throw the cd away.
and you are ready to go trought the bin and check all that "awesome stuff".
i don't wanna sound mean or anything. But....why?
what do you need a copy of starfox adventure with worse graphics, a cat in the main role, a buttload of bugs for?
please tell me!
TheExplodingHead
Banned
And screw Hans Zimmer. Bring on Danny Elfman to score this beast! That would be a moody epic Falcon soundtrack.
The_Endgamer
Member
It just interests me really. As a film and theatre maker i love watching behind the scenes stuff on movies and i like watching the scenes that didn't make the cut esp. the ones without any modifications to the image like fiddling with he saturation, the contrast and colour as it just shows the bare bones product of the actors and contrasts with how much work goes into the final product in the final moments of production.
Something about that i guess... Plus it'd be quite rare.
Behind the scenes? Cool! Cutted stuff! Sure! (even if i think that MOST bigger cuts come for a reason).It just interests me really. As a film and theatre maker i love watching behind the scenes stuff on movies and i like watching the scenes that didn't make the cut esp. the ones without any modifications to the image like fiddling with he saturation, the contrast and colour as it just shows the bare bones product of the actors and contrasts with how much work goes into the final product in the final moments of production.
Something about that i guess... Plus it'd be quite rare.
but would you really want to take a inside view of a rew, uncutted, non edited version of a Werner Herzog movie.
sounds like the worst time of your life.
rare? maybe (not really) worth a shit in a few years? No.
Edit:
Answer if you want. But we both should end that talk here. This is terrible off topic, lol
The_Endgamer
Member
Uch! *hands over copy*Agreed, but certainly it wouldn't hurt to have a copy lying around?
TheCongressman1
Member
It just interests me really. As a film and theatre maker i love watching behind the scenes stuff on movies and i like watching the scenes that didn't make the cut esp. the ones without any modifications to the image like fiddling with he saturation, the contrast and colour as it just shows the bare bones product of the actors and contrasts with how much work goes into the final product in the final moments of production.
Something about that i guess... Plus it'd be quite rare.
Don't worry man. I know exactly how you feel. Prototypes of games have a very mystic quality about them. I'd do anything for the content that didn't make it into OoT and TP.
"Is anyone having trouble concentrating on the games they're playing right now?
Lately, I'm playing, playing, ... and then that thought sneaks into my mind: "gotta check The Thread. What if I'm missing something?!" *save*quit*
And it's only going to get worse as the year goes by. :/
Lately, I'm playing, playing, ... and then that thought sneaks into my mind: "gotta check The Thread. What if I'm missing something?!" *save*quit*
And it's only going to get worse as the year goes by. :/
I was supposed to spend most of my free time replaying VTMB, yet here I am on this thread.
I'm trying to watch Once Upon a Time, actually, but it amounts to the same thing.
bgassassin
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abstract alien
Member
I have it bookmarked on my phone and check it whenever the urge comes.
2 things.
First, Nintendo doesn't have the penchant for re-releasing games that people seem to think they do. The only previous examples of them doing it were Super Mario All-Stars and the 3D remakes on 3DS. Every single other time, it was to make drastic changes to the way we INTERACT with the game, like the New Play Control series. So this HD re-release nonsense needs to go the way of the dodo.
Second, they may possibly need to do software emulation individually even if they DON'T up-res the games, as one emulation method across all games simply doesn't work that efficiently (see: emulator programs for PC). Furthermore, if a group of nerds can hack together a way to play Wii games in 1080p, Nintendo could probably do it blindfolded, given their intimate knowledge of the architecture involved.
Good taste in television, sir, well played. Buying the 1080p Season Pass from iTunes when my credit card payment clears, now that Ars Technica has confirmed that iTunes 1080p only really fails compared to Blu-Ray in darker pictures and no 6.1 audio options.
bgassassin
Member
But think about what you are saying for a moment. They re-released games to change the way we interact because that's what Wii's primary focus was about. Now we'll have a Nintendo console that's about HD. It's very plausible (virtually likely) that they have an HD series akin to the New Play Control series.
Being able to do it, and wanting to do it are obviously two different things. Though I would assume a first-party emulation solution would be more viable than what is made for PC (non up-res version). However if I remember correctly I was told it would be a "hybrid" of hardware and software emulation. I'm sure some of you more knowledgeable on the subject would know how that works much better than I would.
Going back to this and wsippel's post, unless I'm misremembering the patent seemed to indicate something like this with the flash.
herzogzwei1989
Banned
Pretty rad ideas you got there '__'
I hope they improve the Miis on Wii U. I really like what you can do with your avatar on Xbox360.
Though I love the simplicity now, I think more options and new features would be amazing. What Nintendo does right now with your Mii on 3DS and its camera is a smart move so I really hope they come up with something totally new
Though I love the simplicity now, I think more options and new features would be amazing. What Nintendo does right now with your Mii on 3DS and its camera is a smart move so I really hope they come up with something totally new
TheCongressman1
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Agreed. Miis are very limited. Hopefully they will make them a tad more detailed considering they are going to be in HD.
Best addition they could make to Miis? Make them less stubby. And clothing style options, nothing TOO fancy, but just SOMETHING.
Adding WiiU tablet controls to a game would require a fundamental re-write of the way the game itself operates and would be seen as unnecessary by consumers when their Wiimotes still work. New Play Control Wii games just mapped more analog input into pre-existing GameCube games and left visuals TOTALLY untouched, because that was what was needed to make them functional with the primary control method on the system. Wiimotes are STILL a primary control method on WiiU.
If increased graphical fidelity mattered that much to Nintendo in terms of reasons for a re-release, NPC Pikmin would have been enhanced visually. Zelda 3DS getting a boost was likely a formality that was REQUIRED of it to get it running on 3DS to begin with.
Just re-releasing in HD isn't the Nintendo way, and why would you re-write a game to work with a new controller scheme when the previous ones STILL DO and you still market as a selling point of your console?
HD re-release would be looked at the same was as on-disc DLC, given that we know the Wii discs themselves already have HD asset potential, and projecting the right image is going to be crucial to Nintendo right now.
Adding WiiU tablet controls to a game would require a fundamental re-write of the way the game itself operates and would be seen as unnecessary by consumers when their Wiimotes still work. New Play Control Wii games just mapped more analog input into pre-existing GameCube games and left visuals TOTALLY untouched, because that was what was needed to make them functional with the primary control method on the system. Wiimotes are STILL a primary control method on WiiU.
If increased graphical fidelity mattered that much to Nintendo in terms of reasons for a re-release, NPC Pikmin would have been enhanced visually. Zelda 3DS getting a boost was likely a formality that was REQUIRED of it to get it running on 3DS to begin with.
Just re-releasing in HD isn't the Nintendo way, and why would you re-write a game to work with a new controller scheme when the previous ones STILL DO and you still market as a selling point of your console?
HD re-release would be looked at the same was as on-disc DLC, given that we know the Wii discs themselves already have HD asset potential, and projecting the right image is going to be crucial to Nintendo right now.
I'd love it if Nintendo were to allow users to create their own assets for Mii characters. Maybe an editing/creation program?
I could see lots of clever and sick Miis. Peg legs, colostomy bags, superhero capes, sports helmets, Sweetchuck-from-Police-Academy arm casts, etc etc.. the Mii stuff we've seen this generation would pale in comparison to the weird shit people could come-up with with such a opportunity.
TheCongressman1
Member
Makes perfect sense considering the new tech, you just edit all the stuff right on the pad. Also, it's a great opportunity to push the 'U' image.
Fixed.
-Pyromaniac-
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I've been ignoring a lot lately, any new news?
TheCongressman1
Member
Hey man, if that's what people want to do to express themselves...
But seriously, it would be great to be able to customize the Miis more. There is a certain art in Mii creation, but it's gotten stale at this point. We need more options, Nintendo.
Not even remotely.
Is the MGS HD collection looked at the same way as on disc DLC? Team Ico collection? God of War collection?
Bring on the HD collections, Nintendo. If it's not the Nintendo way, they need to MAKE it the Nintendo way, because the fans demand it, and it's easy money for them. You don't say no to a win-win situation.
I honestly love Mii's how they are... very simple and easily programmable into any game you want. D:
But more customization would be... ok. No stupid clothes and stuff though... guhh
Actually, I like this idea. hmm...
But more customization would be... ok. No stupid clothes and stuff though... guhh
Actually, I like this idea. hmm...
Those games are 10 years old, and plumbing the disc will not provide you any evidence of pre-existing HD assets. Wii discs will and are accessible to consumers thanks to Dolphin. Comparison is fail.
Someone has to make this happen. I rarely laugh aloud from reading here, but you did it.
And a Mario Mii customized in his creepy leather daddy outfit would be fantastic.. imagine jogging in Wii Fit and seeing that smile at you as you jog along the trail. Much, much more interesting than waving 'hi' to the Golden Girls or or Reggie or Hitler.
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MGS3-2004
Shadow of the Colossus-2006
God of War 2- 2007
Wind Waker-2003
Twilight Princess-2006
Metroid Prime-2002
There aren't pre-existing HD assets for the GC games. And I couldn't give any less of a shit if there were for Wii games. Hopefully that just means I'll get my HD collections faster.
Metallix87
Member
I think they should make first party ones free, but allow third parties the option to either charge for their own, or make them unlockable from their own games.
I think all of those options should be on the table. I also feel that Nintendo could sell cool accessories.
bgassassin
Member
I didn't say anything about adding Wii U controls.
What way? This is Nintendo's first HD console so they haven't established "a way" in this regard. You're speaking in broad terms when you talk about "graphic fidelity" and "enhanced visually". OoT 3D is something I see that falls under those. This isn't about that kind of overhaul which is why mentioning Pikmin is irrelevant, though I did see that they added 16:9 widescreen to the Wii version. Looking at that I'd say they would be more apt to do HD revisions than not. But like I said before Wii was all about the interface. That's not the case with Wii U.
I also think you are over-exaggerating with the "on-disc DLC". People wouldn't look at it that way at all. They would appreciate being able to play those games on their HD TVs. I agree with Anth0ny in that it would be a win-win situation.
It would be nice if they somehow link your archivements/coins/star system to your
Mii Plaza. That way you could buy accesories using your coins or whatever they use for your Mii
"buy x hat and jeans and Mario suit only for 100 coins"
You keep your fans interested about what's new and add a lot of replay value to your games just to get some coins a la Mario Kart 7
I addressed OoT3D in my post, look again.
16:9 was added to Pikmin so it didn't look like garbage when it was stretched. That's not an "addition" to graphics, that was a damned necessity, considering no TV made in the last 5 years is still in 4:3.
And it's not exaggerating. On-disc DLC is being asked to pay for something you already have. HD re-releases of Wii games is asking me to double-dip for something I technically ALREADY OWN. I'd only buy an HD re-release if they basically re-did the ENTIRE graphics engine for the Wii games included, but looking at current HD Collections hitting the market? Not gonna happen. So we'll be re-buying the same damn disc, just with the software tweaks to push it to 1080p. If there's a distinction for being asked to pay for something I technically already own, I'm not seeing it.
Terrell, the number of game consumers who are even aware of Dolphin is in low single digit percentages. I foresee a future in which you are disappointed with the BC feature and angry with Nintendo for publishing lazy HD remasters of Wii content. It is your destiny.
I just hope that they'll throw new emulators into the VC rom packages so that they'll output in 1080p. Wii discs don't stand a chance.
I just hope that they'll throw new emulators into the VC rom packages so that they'll output in 1080p. Wii discs don't stand a chance.
So.... lemme get this straight... it's a pipe dream to have software emulation that renders a game that already has high-res assets in 1080p, but the re-release of the entire VC back catalog in 1080p is somehow MORE likely? How exactly do you figure that?
Sorry, man, if we ain't getting the easy option for Wii titles, we aren't gonna see it happen to anything else, either.
DefectiveReject
Banned
Please please please do not compare anything anyone else has done with HD releases and DLC to what Nintendo will do.
They have stated a dozen times now that DLC for them is about providing additional content to allow you to get more out of a completed game. E.g. releasing new levels for a Mario game.
Also the NPC games really wouldn't of benefitted much at all from new assets as Wii was pretty much a repackaged GC and the NPC games where released at a lower price point to reflect the fact
Well, that's just it... I'm not. People saying they'll do HD re-releases instead of full-on remakes or the easy software emulation up-res seem to be, though, considering there's been no release from Nintendo that has ever done so intentionally without it being an outright remake or with a WHOLE bunch of new content. OoT3D got visual enhancements because it's a waste of manpower to scale it back to its original presentation method on N64 during the porting process, so was basically a pleasant no-fuss bonus that HAD to happen to get it on the 3DS anyways.
DefectiveReject
Banned
I suppose they also HAD TO improve the assets on the VC releases on 3DS .... excite bike e.t.c??
To me those games represent what Nintendo.HD collections will go through.
Those are remakes, dude, 3D effects don't just magically happen when a rubber stamp is applied to them. Not the same thing as an Wii HD re-release being discussed here.
As much as I would like an all-in-one HD upgrade for Wii titles, Nintendo is ultimately in the business of selling new software. The best case scenario would be for them (or 3rd parties) to sell HD upgrade DLC packages for select games. In addition to rendering in HD, they would include HD assets for the HUD and menus, and maybe make adjustments to the LOD. Again, that's a long shot - I really doubt it will happen. Another (slim) possibility would be hybrid Wii / Wii U games, which would be forwards compatible with the Wii.
EDIT: As far as full-fledged HD re-releases on disc go, I don't think it's that likely. If Nintendo can do basically the same thing online without having to deal with manufacturing and retail, then that's what they'd probably do.
EDIT: As far as full-fledged HD re-releases on disc go, I don't think it's that likely. If Nintendo can do basically the same thing online without having to deal with manufacturing and retail, then that's what they'd probably do.