Mass Effect 3 SPOILER THREAD: LOTS OF SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE

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I guess we see the space magic hit the planet and not kill everything with high enough EMS, but the explosion happens after the space magic, right? And we don't see the effect of the explosion, just it happening. Good job keeping the conversation high level, Bioware.

Curious also how the space magic shakes up the Normandy regardless of what colour it is, yet has no effect on anything else except Reapers (if EMS is high enough). Normandy was part Reaper?

OHMIGOD NORMANDY WAS THE REAPER ALL ALONG.

Achtius said:
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It's like hundreds upon hundreds of years away from Sol without any mass relays.
 
Achtius said:
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The Quarians stranded on Earth. They'll probably have a hard time getting home.

Shake Appeal said:
I guess we see the space magic hit the planet and not kill everything with high enough EMS, but the explosion happens after the space magic, right? And we don't see the effect of the explosion, just it happening. Good job keeping the conversation high level, Bioware.

Curious also how the space magic shakes up the Normandy regardless of what colour it is, yet has no effect on anything else except Reapers (if EMS is high enough). Normandy was part Reaper?

OHMIGOD NORMANDY WAS THE REAPER ALL ALONG.
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I said it before, if the explosions were non-explosive it doesn't make sense for Joker to be running away form them in all three endings. BW really shouldn't have put that in there at all.
 
rocK` said:
I guess I'm the only one that enjoyed the ending. I thought it was great and really hope they don't extend this series much further.

Very matrix-esque.
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When I read posts like this I have to believe people are trolling hard, or maybe they didn't have any real connection to the trilogy as a whole. Maybe I'm not open minded enough but I can't see any adult actually "enjoying" the ending and conclusion we got.
 
Rufus said:
So it actually works for some people. Well, I don't even care any more, so - good for you. And I mean that.
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Matrix at least knew how to do proper reaction and establishing shots. We won the war? Show everyone celebrating. Show the effect (through a conversation in that film) of what this means. Show our heroes reacting to the "sacrifice" etc. Not a perfect ending, but fuck if it at least had a climax and a proper come down.
 
CharmingCharlie said:
Actually it is depending on how high your EMS is. If you have a low EMS (because as we all know the number of warships you have affect how devastating an explosion can be) then you see the Citadel exploding and devastating the Earth.
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Yes, but that's not because the relays explode, or else it would happen in all the endings.

Karl2177 said:
The "recently been proven" was in direct reference that they could be destroyed, not on how they can be destroyed just that they could.[1] What says that the relay destruction is any different aside from the method it was destroyed by. We have no information on how or why the Crucible/Catalyst makes their destruction any different. We don't know whether Earth was destroyed by the Citadel exploding because we have no shots of Earth post-Citadel explosion. I am not attacking you, I am attacking your arguments and counter arguments, so if you could please refrain from attacking me it would be appreciated.

[1] Destruction of a Mass Relay portion of the Desperate Measures codex entry
"Destroying a mass relay to stop the Reapers' advance is infeasbile. Although it has recently been proven that mass relays can be destroyed, a ruptured relay liberates enough energy to ruin any terrestrial world in the relay's solar system. It would take too long to evacuate the millions or billions of people living near each relay, and the Council is unwilling to sacrifice that many lives when combat stands a chance of saving them. Even if a garden world were to survive the relay's destruction, the Reapers have infinite patience. They traveled out of dark space using conventional FTL--travel within galaxy is not an insurmountable barrier."
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Now you're just displaying the typical manifestation of confirmation bias: find information that seems like proves your point and ignore/dismiss all information that says you're wrong.

We have information on how the explosions of the relays are different in ME3 than in Arrival: IT'S SHOWN TO US. You can see it very clearly, the relays use all their energy to fire and THEN they explode. In the case of the alpha relay it still contained plenty of energy when the asteroid hits it, hence the explosion tooks out a solar system.

Again, look at the explosion in Arrival, the Citadel explosion is nothing like that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_Ti0nEz--8
 
I'm interested in hearing about these energy releases accompanied by fire explosions that do not, you know, fuck things up. Physics profs pls reply
 
Frank Jaeger said:
I'm still flabbergasted by the shear confusion I went through not 10min ago!

And how the hell did the reviewers were OK with the Journal (quest log)! I guess they did that bit right after the endings...
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http://calitreview.com/24673

Normally, I’d find it wrong to support consumer demand altering authorial intent just to fit the vociferous opinion. Except in this case, the authors simply aren’t justified by the “statement” made. Aside from being a hackneyed mess of bad ideas running counter to everything this series has stood for, the sheer tonal shift prevents absorption for someone paying attention – the inability to convey intent is the definition of failed art.

For anyone with perspective, I know I’m belaboring a point – a bad ending can ruin all, from prose to play – but the sad fact is: no other professional review of Mass Effect 3 factored this ending into their universally positive ratings for the game, even though many acknowledged it as a problem. Not being one to claim conspiracy is to blame, I’d rather point to the more obvious culprit: ineptitude. A critic that can’t realize that narrative is often as important as gameplay – especially in an RPG – and that poorly constructed endings tarnish narrative quality – especially as it is the last thing the audience sees – is a poor critic indeed.

The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it. At best and being fair to the game’s other traits, the quality comes out a wash – simply mediocre.

Casey Hudson, the Director of the Mass Effect series, said in a recent interview that he wanted the endings to be “memorable.” I, for one, think he succeeded and I hope we all remember this game well.

Those who forget the history of bad ideas are doomed to repeat them.
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sTeLioSco said:
but in the end what happens if you choose the geth instead of the quarians?
just asking cause i choose the quarians and it looks its the popular choice............

(lol)
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I chose both. So the stupid space boy told me the red choice would destroy the reapers, and the geth... Oh yeah and most of our technology.
 
I really have friends that truly believe Bioware has set this thing whole up. My one friend said its "revenge" for the plot leaks. I find that too risky, but he just insulted me. There's no way they thought of this all beforehand. Walters just tried to be avant-garde and failed.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I really have friends that truly believe Bioware has set this thing whole up. My one friend said its "revenge" for the plot leaks. I find that too risky, but he just insulted me. There's no way they thought of this all beforehand. Walters just tried to be avant-garde and failed.
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Revenge? I can only remember vague details but I remember most of what happened being in the leak, the one that got us hit with a C&D order. I remember reading something about Shepard becoming a reaper and thinking it was the most ridiculous thing ever, and how there was a point where you had to choose to kill ash/kaiden.

I think the only thing that got me to forget about this stuff in time for the game coming out was the total lack of hype I had for it due to all of the bad marketing Bioware gave the game.
 
Shake Appeal said:
Then you won't see a two-second FMV snippet of some Quarians during the final battle? I'm just speculating, of course...
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honestly,i choose accidentally the geth and after seeing the video of them destroying the quarian fleet i said,no way to have my game end this way!!!
so i reloaded the mission and choose the quarians!

wish i knew it didn't matter so i could save time.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I really have friends that truly believe Bioware has set this thing whole up. My one friend said its "revenge" for the plot leaks. I find that too risky, but he just insulted me. There's no way they thought of this all beforehand. Walters just tried to be avant-garde and failed.
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I don't think he would know what that world means. :p

There was nothing avant-garde about the Catalyst or any of its proposed options.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I really have friends that truly believe Bioware has set this thing whole up. My one friend said its "revenge" for the plot leaks. I find that too risky, but he just insulted me. There's no way they thought of this all beforehand. Walters just tried to be avant-garde and failed.
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This immediately popped in to my head.
 
Every time the Destruction of a Mass Relay argument comes up, there is really no good alternative. Assuming that they did not blow up and destroy the system like in Arrival, the races are doomed to some extremely, near extinction-hard times because of lack of food, lack of resources, inability to coordinate with other systems, and insufficient fuel to sustain long travel times for a long-trip back.
 
Alucrid said:
New conspiracy - Bioware made her romance scenes shitty on purpose to make you rage
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Joke's on them, I have Rule 34.


Derrick01 said:
Revenge? I can only remember vague details but I remember most of what happened being in the leak, the one that got us hit with a C&D order. I remember reading something about Shepard becoming a reaper and thinking it was the most ridiculous thing ever, and how there was a point where you had to choose to kill ash/kaiden.

I think the only thing that got me to forget about this stuff in time for the game coming out was the total lack of hype I had for it due to all of the bad marketing Bioware gave the game.
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I remember reading that Mordin would die, so some of it was true.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I'm assuming this is your first Mass Effect game?
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Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
 
Kal Reegar was cool for the 2 minutes he was in ME2. Would have been cool if he had a bigger role in ME3, but like said, they probably couldn't get Adam Baldwin for the role.
 
rocK` said:
Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
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If the Crucible functioned differently. And too bad that's not the reason most people hate the ending. You probably just beat the game, let it sink in for a while.
 
Dr Eggman said:
I really have friends that truly believe Bioware has set this thing whole up. My one friend said its "revenge" for the plot leaks. I find that too risky, but he just insulted me. There's no way they thought of this all beforehand. Walters just tried to be avant-garde and failed.
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They are giving bioware too much credit. They just want to believe in anything that justifies all their hours and multiple playthroughs, tweaking their choices. They just don't want all that to be shit.
 
Dr Eggman said:
If the Crucible functioned differently. And too bad that's not the reason most people hate the ending. You probably just beat the game, let it sink in for a while.
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uhhh

the crucible and citadel were created by the reapers. what exactly do you think it was meant to do? not stop the reapers....
 
MechaX said:
Every time the Destruction of a Mass Relay argument comes up, there is really no good alternative. Assuming that they did not blow up and destroy the system like in Arrival, the races are doomed to some extremely, near extinction-hard times because of lack of food, lack of resources, inability to coordinate with other systems, and insufficient fuel to sustain long travel times for a long-trip back.
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The thought didn't cross my mind when I was playing the game, but as someone here pointed out, the damage of the Citadel plummeting to Earth would probably be pretty bad as well. Not to mention AngryJoe's point about the shockwave's damage to the Normandy. If it competely knocked the Normandy's systems offline and stranded it on some Eden-like planet, what's to say it didn't completely disable every ship in the vicinity of Earth?
 
rocK` said:
Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
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The cycle begins anew.
 
Outside of the indoc theory, is there any rational explanation for why Ghost kid looks like the Vancouver kid? Why would this AI from millions and millions of years ago look like some 8 year old brat that got blown up?
 
rocK` said:
Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
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ah yes, 'happy endings'

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Zerokku said:
Outside of the indoc theory, is there any rational explanation for why Ghost kid looks like the Vancouver kid? Why would this AI from millions and millions of years ago look like some 8 year old brat that got blown up?
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Vent kid = emotional connection

... pfft
 
rocK` said:
Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
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Blowy? Oh man. Missed opportunities.


rocK` said:
uhhh

the crucible and citadel were created by the reapers. what exactly do you think it was meant to do? not stop the reapers....
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No. Did you play the game?

The Catalyst -- the VI/AI living inside the Citadel -- created the Reapers. It told you this.
 
MechaX said:
Every time the Destruction of a Mass Relay argument comes up, there is really no good alternative. Assuming that they did not blow up and destroy the system like in Arrival, the races are doomed to some extremely, near extinction-hard times because of lack of food, lack of resources, inability to coordinate with other systems, and insufficient fuel to sustain long travel times for a long-trip back.
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I still don't see the problem with that. That's the consequence of fighting an enemy that has wiped out everything that came before. Seems unfair to expect humans to finally be the key in not only stopping the Reaper threat, but keeping all of their technology intact as well.

Now, future cycles will not have to deal with the Reaper threat. So regardless of what happens to Shep's cycle, it's still a major victory. Just look at it as not only a sacrifice from Shepard, but his cycle as a whole.
 
Crewnh said:
Holy fucking shit

Every page
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In magical la la land where BioWare actually change the ending they'll make it some super happy prissy bullshit because they'll think this is what everyone's problem is.

That poll on the BSN doesn't help matter.
 
hateradio said:
Blowy? Oh man. Missed opportunities.



No. Did you play the game?

The Catalyst -- the VI/AI living inside the Citadel -- created the Reapers. It told you this.
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I think you get the point, the crucible wasn't a tool to destroy reapers, just restart the cycle...
 
rocK` said:
Not at all.

Sorry I didn't want to subscribe to some american hollywood ending where everyone is happy and Shepard is getting a blowy as he kills.

Do you realize that there was not much difference in the cycles? how could humany win? cuz it had heart and a strong alliance?

wat
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It would have been nice to have a choice based on how you play of a hollywood ending where Shepard wins and the Crucible works, or he could fail and the reapers win or Shepard can win but the damage is still too great and still fatalistic. But it's like the game stopped and then we are given 3 equally dumb choices.
 
EatChildren said:
In magical la la land where BioWare actually change the ending they'll make it some super happy prissy bullshit because they'll think this is what everyone's problem is.

That poll on the BSN doesn't help matter.
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You just wanted a blowy, you American Hollywood jerk!

rocK` said:
my bad, the citadel + catalyst is what I meant (lots of C words), but the VI/AI whatever, is obviously a reaper/whatever the creator is, as they refer to themselves as 'we'
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Que?

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rocK` said:
I think you get the point, the crucible wasn't a tool to destroy reapers, just restart the cycle...
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Can you elaborate on this a bit more?
 
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