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[HylianTom]

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This is exactly what i wanted to hint in this message. HylianTom rocks !!!!! And you can go even further in your speculation

Sweet! Nice to piece this together bit by bit.

I'm thinking that the uPad screen could be turned-off entirely, but that would kinda contradict the purpose of the system if this was used too much. Either that, or the uPad screen could be frozen, which may take less power to process.

And vice-versa, I could see the TV screen going dark for certain critical gameplay moments.

Other than that, I'll have to think some more. (this is the kind of thing I think about as I'm laying in bed, about to visit dreamland..)

~~~~~~~~~~

Reading about how new 360 games looked like xbox games and similar situations, I'm still convinced that:
Quality of 720 Game - Quality of Wii U Game <<< Quality of 360 Game - Quality of Wii Game
(speaking visually, of course)

It's going to be a situation where we're saying silly things like, "look at the lighting around 1:36! That's a bit better! And look at the detail on the trunk of the tree at 2:05 - also somewhat better!

Spoiler

I just knew that the Wii U would suck! And now we have proof! Ha.. I can't wait 'til they go third-party!

"

 

[EDarkness]

Sweet! Nice to piece this together bit by bit.

I'm thinking that the uPad screen could be turned-off entirely, but that would kinda contradict the purpose of the system if this was used too much. Either that, or the uPad screen could be frozen, which may take less power to process.

And vice-versa, I could see the TV screen going dark for certain critical gameplay moments.

Other than that, I'll have to think some more. (this is the kind of thing I think about as I'm laying in bed, about to visit dreamland..)

~~~~~~~~~~

Reading about how new 360 games looked like xbox games and similar situations, I'm still convinced that:
Quality of 720 Game - Quality of Wii U Game <<< Quality of 360 Game - Quality of Wii Game
(speaking visually, of course)

It's going to be a situation where we're saying silly things like, "look at the lighting around 1:36! That's a bit better! And look at the detail on the trunk of the tree at 2:05 - also somewhat better!

Spoiler

I just knew that the Wii U would suck! And now we have proof! Ha.. I can't wait 'til they go third-party!

"

They could also go for wii remote and nunchuck gameplay which wouldn't really need the screen. Prop the screen on the table for the map and use the remote and nunchuck. I would imagine they could make something breathtaking if that were the case.

 

[Gravijah]

i wonder if we'll have re:r situations, with the uPad having as little power as possible being sent to it.

 

[Lonely1]

i wonder if we'll have re:r situations, with the uPad having as little power as possible being sent to it.

I don't get this question. What exactly is RE:R situation?

 

[Gravijah]

I don't get this question. What exactly is RE:R situation?

information on the bottom screen refreshes very slowly. there's quite a bit of lag before the map updates.

 

[Lonely1]

information on the bottom screen refreshes very slowly. there's quite a bit of lag before the map updates.

Oh, that more of a CPU bottleneck. One of which the 3DS suffers quite a bit, sadly. I doubt that the Wii U will suffer on the CPU side nearly as much.

 

[bgassassin]

Not until well after he was confirmed was there an attempt to explain how what he said could fit with what we had already heard and even then there were people who were still hostile to the information.

Then you didn't read my posts at that time as I did it well before he was confirmed.

 

[Sadist]

You're going to see the same kind of craziness this time and a lot of it is going to be on the backs of expectations of the hardware being built up (that IGN article probably did more harm than good). At E3, the games are not going to look like a generational leap forward. They will look good, and a lot will look better than PS360 games, but it won't be what some people are expecting and/or hoping for.

Sweet, I won't be dissapointed then.

Haven't read the other thread (and honestly, I think it would be wise not too) but if I'm right, Vigil Games essentially told that the Wii U version could have looked a bit nicer with more polygons, better lighting etc. but they chose not to? Instead they dedicated a small team to the controler capabillities.

I'm okay with this.

 

[Van Owen]

If Wii U was substantially more powerful than 360/ps3, doesn't it seem like it would be fairly trivial to get the something like Darksiders 2 running in native 1080p?

 

[HylianTom]

Sweet, I won't be dissapointed then.

Haven't read the other thread (and honestly, I think it would be wise not too) but if I'm right, Vigil Games essentially told that the Wii U version could have looked a bit nicer with more polygons, better lighting etc. but they chose not to? Instead they dedicated a small team to the controler capabillities.

I'm okay with this.

That's about where I am on this. Truthfully, I'm much more interested in seeing what they decide to do with that controller. I need to spend more time brainstorming on what could be possible with that pad (and less time dreaming about what I'd do with lottery money).

If I had to put into one sentence my guess for this whole big, messy issue:
The Wii U will be a step - not a leap - forward, but this shouldn't be too worrying, as leaps forward are starting to more closely resemble hops.

 

[ColdBlooder]

Hey guys.

To get your mind off of the "WiiU = Xbox360" nonsense...

Could Nintendo enable 3DS users to to play the 3DS games on the TV with the lower screen being displayed on the upad?

The uPad has all the buttons and a second slide pad to support the circle pad pro.

You could just connect your 3DS with your WiiU, streaming the game from the 3DS to the WiiU while the 3DS sits closed in the docking station.

"Super Gameboy/Gameboy player" the next generation

 

[herzogzwei1989]

So Wii has a GPU architecture designed in 1999 and released in 2006, and Wii U has a GPU architecture designed in 2008 and released in 2012?

More like 2008-2009, released in 2012. There's still a big difference here. Wii U's GPU will use modern shaders, GameCube/Wii did not.

 

[bgassassin]

Sweet, I won't be dissapointed then.

Haven't read the other thread (and honestly, I think it would be wise not too) but if I'm right, Vigil Games essentially told that the Wii U version could have looked a bit nicer with more polygons, better lighting etc. but they chose not to? Instead they dedicated a small team to the controler capabillities.

I'm okay with this.

You're correct. The ones that want to get a Wii U aren't the problem. I think a large majority of those that want to get Wii U will be happy. They haven't shown they have wild and outrageous expectations. It's primarily the ones that want some huge jump out of PS4 and Xbox 3 that feel the need to jump any and every little bit they can to say "See. Wii U won't be on par with PS4 and Xbox 3" when no one has ever had those expectations... except for jump_button recently and I'm writing that off as him joking about Wii U = Xbox 3.

More like 2008-2009, released in 2012. There's still a big difference here. Wii U's GPU will use modern shaders, GameCube/Wii did not.

Actually that's very likely to not be accurate either.

 

[teeny]

If Wii U was substantially more powerful than 360/ps3, doesn't it seem like it would be fairly trivial to get the something like Darksiders 2 running in native 1080p?

Depends on the size of the team designated to the WiiU port, and what their focus is. If there is no budget and no scope for those kind of improvements, then there wont be any, regardless of the WiiU's capabilities.

Ive been lurking in this thread for a long time, and its getting very difficult to digest any information without a healthy dose of scepticism. We have had supposed insiders say very different things, using different metrics to measure performance, and we have even had people working for the same development studios, albeit in different departments, contradicting each other.

I think the people getting so very heated need to calm down a touch, and look at everything there is with a bit of perspective. Or not, you guys add a certain entertainment value to a thread that succeeds in going around in circles.

I simply dont know what to believe any more, and refuse to make any assumptions. Admittedly, my hype levels have been depleted, but that is probably more to the length of time with no real news than anything else. We are certainly heading towards an interesting E3 at any rate.

 

[BD1]

Hey guys.

To get your mind off of the "WiiU = Xbox360" nonsense...

Could Nintendo enable 3DS users to to play the 3DS games on the TV with the lower screen being displayed on the upad?

The uPad has all the buttons and a second slide pad to support the circle pad pro.

You could just connect your 3DS with your WiiU, streaming the game from the 3DS to the WiiU while the 3DS sits closed in the docking station.

"Super Gameboy/Gameboy player" the next generation

3DS games would look awful blown up on HD televisions.

 

[ColdBlooder]

3DS games would look awful blown up on HD televisions.

They could use borders, so it wouldnt have to be blown up to fullscreen. Like with the super gameboy and gameboy player.

 

[Van Owen]

Depends on the size of the team designated to the WiiU port, and what their focus is. If there is no budget and no scope for those kind of improvements, then there wont be any, regardless of the WiiU's capabilities.

Well, they were one of the first 3rd party teams to get hardware and were a focus during Nintendo's e3 last year. It seems like the Wii U version is a fairly big priority for them, and it's a launch game. Plus it seems the most they're doing with the second screen is inventory swap stuff, so it doesn't appear to be any sort of limitation.

 

[MoonLightWave]

You won't really see potential until you go exclusive development. They are just simply porting darksiders 2 to wii u.

To think that wii u is only on par with current gen is riddiculus, unless they are aiming for a $149-199 dollar console.

 

[Buddha Beam]

I've come to expect that it'll look a little bit better than PS360 games if it's making at least moderate use of the controller. But it sounds like its capable of a lot more if there is little to no use of the controller.

The only real question is if it will be capable of receiving downscaled ports or not. The Wii wasn't capable of getting PS360 games, and if there was going to be a Wii version, it would have to be built from scratch. If that turns out to be the case with the Wii U, then it's probably time to panic for Nintendo fans. If the system can reasonably have Xbox 3 and PS4 games ported to it courtesy of system/chip architecture and whatnot, even if they don't look as good, then there is nothing to really worry about.

 

[bgassassin]

^ Your question about receiving down ports in the future is a bigger issue than a lot of other things discussed and debated and is something I agree with.

You won't really see potential until you go exclusive development. They are just simply porting darksiders 2 to wii u.

To think that wii u is only on par with current gen is riddiculus, unless they are aiming for a $199 dollar console.

Pretty much. I can see Retro being to Wii U what Naughty Dog was to PS3.

 

[magash]

Well, they were one of the first 3rd party teams to get hardware and were a focus during Nintendo's e3 last year. It seems like the Wii U version is a fairly big priority for them, and it's a launch game. Plus it seems the most they're doing with the second screen is inventory swap stuff, so it doesn't appear to be any sort of limitation.

The team porting the game to WiiU is between 3-5 members (3 programmers and 1 graphics artist)

 

[blu]

If Wii U was substantially more powerful than 360/ps3, doesn't it seem like it would be fairly trivial to get the something like Darksiders 2 running in native 1080p?

Assuming DS2 pushes the 360 in some aspect or two, a console could be flat-out 2x 360 in every single aspect, and it could sill not be quite there for 1080p@exact-same-fps, and that's even before taking the upad into account.

 

[wsippel]

Oh, that more of a CPU bottleneck. One of which the 3DS suffers quite a bit, sadly. I doubt that the Wii U will suffer on the CPU side nearly as much.

I guess that bottleneck should be mostly eliminated by now, as developers got access to the second CPU core a few months ago.

More like 2008-2009, released in 2012. There's still a big difference here. Wii U's GPU will use modern shaders, GameCube/Wii did not.

It's not a 2009 GPU - AMD started working on the GPU in 2009. It wasn't finished until June 2011 or later.

 

[bgassassin]

It's not a 2009 GPU - AMD started working on the GPU in 2009. It wasn't finished until June 2011 or later.

Definitely later.

The team porting the game to WiiU is between 3-5 members (3 programmers and 1 graphics artist)

That was only confirmed for having something ready for E3. I don't recall there being anything said that is still true.

 

[HanShotFirst]

You won't really see potential until you go exclusive development. They are just simply porting darksiders 2 to wii u.

To think that wii u is only on par with current gen is riddiculus, unless they are aiming for a $149-199 dollar console.

I agree with this. Look at Resident Evil 2 on the Dreamcast and compare it to Resident Evil Code Veronica.

 

[Van Owen]

Assuming DS2 pushes the 360 in some aspect or two, a console could be flat-out 2x 360 in every single aspect, and it could sill not be quite there for 1080p@exact-same-fps, and that's even before taking the upad into account.

So essentially if Wii U is "2x" 360 it means very little in terms of what we will see on screen compared to 360. Got it.

 

[bgassassin]

So essentially if Wii U is "2x" 360 it means very little in terms of what we will see on screen compared to 360. Got it.

Right. Which I don't know if you saw a part of a discussion awhile back, but we were pointing out that 2x the visuals is not the same as 2x the hardware power (x times are too vague to draw an exact meaning as you know, but saying it this way should help contrast this). And the former is what you are more likely to see.

 

[wsippel]

Definitely later.

I agree. I just said "June or later" because that much is semi-confirmed by former AMD employees. Though I've also seen CVs from engineers seemingly still working on the chip in August 2011, and even that was most likely still many months before actual production started - if it even started by now.

 

[Christine]

Pretty much. I can see Retro being to Wii U what Naughty Dog was to PS3.

But are either of these teams capable of AAAA development?

 

[bgassassin]

I agree. I just said "June or later" because that much is semi-confirmed by former AMD employees. Though I've also seen CVs from engineers seemingly still working on the chip in August 2011, and even that was most likely still many months before actual production started - if it even started by now.

Right I understood what you were saying. I'm just reaffirming it was definitely later.

But are either of these teams capable of AAAA development?

They better be capable of AAAAA so if they come up short they can at least hit AAAA.

 

[HylianTom]

re: ports, downscaled or not

Honestly, my expectations of third parties are still pretty damn low heading into this next generation. When I'm cheering for GameStop just to spite developers, that gives you an idea of how lowly I've come to regard many of them.

And if we start seeing paper-thin excuses for why developers didn't make the tiny bit of effort required to produce a Wii U version, I'm wondering what it would take to get some Nintendo higher-up - be it Reggie, Iwata, Miyamoto, etc - to come out and honestly call-out some of the B.S.

The power excuse is going to be pitiful and won't hold-up in many cases, unless Microsoft and Sony plan on aiming at $599-level specs. And the "we couldn't think of anything to do with the screen" excuse is pathetic - us here in the thread could come-up with something decent in minutes, and we could have it more fully fleshed-out in an hour. Many if not most excuses crumble under just a slight vit of scrutiny.

Thus, I wonder.. how long will it take before Nintendo just finally says something? True, they'd run the risk of being branded as the big bully, but in this situation, they aren't gonna win anyway.

 

[Rösti]

As I logged out and went to bed for another day of work to occupy, the state of conception here on NeoGAF regarding Wii U I would have never expected to be that of bewilderment, emotional disturbance, lack of clear thinking and utter disorientation; and all based on a misinterpreted and twisted outing by Vigil Games' Marvin Donald.

Polarization has come to extremes where several camps are duking it out with verbosity as greatest weapon. We have the 'fanboys' who claim conscientiousness and rigidity towards Nintendo as an absolute and would buy Wii U on day one even if it featured a Zilog EZ80F916 processor and 32 MB A-RAM, for them even Reggie's dirty socks would be the equivalence of having multiple orgasms. And we have the team sipping classical skepticism while serving tout after tout of the well known relation between maxima and minima, where the first is represented by Nintendo's suggested inability to provide adequate hardware resulting in inevitable doom, and where the second is represented by a scenario where success can only come by Iwata & Co. complying to industry standards like Unreal Engine 4 in relation to hardware reaching deep computing levels. And in between, we have the Clap Your Hands Say Yeah's that honestly have no idea what to believe; one day the Wii U is much more powerful than Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 while another day it appears not even capable of beating the Magic Bullet blender in chess. And all this due to some developer deciding to one day bolt down a huge dose of oral laxatives to entice the people, only to have them instead stirring up a shitstorm of epic proportions. This with a fringe benefit to nobody.

I do enjoy the sane discussions held in this thread and that is what all true warriors should strive for, even with the occasional silliness. But Nintendo's silent shout is becoming more and more frustrating, especially when reports that people can easily misinterpret surface and cause a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of sandbin debates hackling and delaying any progressive dialogue. And that's awkward.

While NeoGAF accounts for only a small demographic of Nintendo, it hosts a wide array of people involved with the industry in one way or another, and I seriously doubt anyone actually takes pride in either defending or opposing Nintendo and its interests in exorbitant ways, especially since we still know, despite very alluring and thought-provoking posts by IdeaMan, lherre and others, very little about the system and could practically compare it with immaculate conception, it just popped up from nowhere without any reasonable description or explanation. If this agenda will be utilized up until E3, I wonder how the polarization has manifested itself and what the discussions will consist of. Inevitably it will be a most enjoyable fest, but in what coherence?

This should not be taken too seriously, just venting my thoughts.

 

[AzaK]

bgassassin, keep fighting the good fight, but I'm done here for a while, until some real news materialises.

Hopefully that's this Monday, 'cos a) I couldn't stand to be without you guys too long and b) it should shut a lot of people up.

I don't think I can handle reading this thread any more, no offense to anyone lol (actually some people should probably be offended). Maybe I'll check back at e3.

It seems like every time we learn something that may or may not be a real tidbit, everyone goes "oh well and that's that" and accepts it as the undeniable truth, and then it starts this endless cycle not worth mentioning.

Too much folks, too much.

I think I might join you guys in the Bahamas until e3

I remember a post on GAF, in 2006, arguing that the Wii was actually weaker than the Gamecube.

He got a lot of "You know, maybe" replies and one guy pointed out that using GC hardware for backwards compatibility would not make sense if that were the case.

You're going to see the same kind of craziness this time and a lot of it is going to be on the backs of expectations of the hardware being built up (that IGN article probably did more harm than good). At E3, the games are not going to look like a generational leap forward. They will look good, and a lot will look better than PS360 games, but it won't be what some people are expecting and/or hoping for.

Which is a real shame tbh, but I'm learning to live with that possibility.

 

[wsippel]

But are either of these teams capable of AAAA development?

AAAA is dumb gaijin shit. Retro is SSS.

 

[Christine]

Rösti, did you breathe even once while typing that post?

AAAA is dump gaijin shit. Retro is SSS.

Nice. I too want Nintendo to give them lots and lots of money to make something pretty.

Right I understood what you were saying. I'm just reaffirming it was definitely later.

underline and bold from someone who uses inverted commas on supposedly. Heady stuff.

They better be capable of AAAAA so if they come up short they can at least hit AAAA.

If I question the sustainability of spending AAAAA production costs to generate AAAA sales, am I holding back developer's dreams?

 

[Anth0ny]

I do enjoy the sane discussions held in this thread and that is what all true warriors should strive for, even with the occasional silliness. But Nintendo's silent shout is becoming more and more frustrating, especially when reports that people can easily misinterpret surface and cause a restricted, stereotyped, repetitive repertoire of sandbin debates hackling and delaying any progressive dialogue. And that's awkward.

While NeoGAF accounts for only a small demographic of Nintendo, it hosts a wide array of people involved with the industry in one way or another, and I seriously doubt anyone actually takes pride in either defending or opposing Nintendo and its interests in exorbitant ways, especially since we still know, despite very alluring and thought-provoking posts by IdeaMan, lherre and others, very little about the system and could practically compare it with immaculate conception, it just popped up from nowhere without any reasonable description or explanation. If this agenda will be utilized up until E3, I wonder how the polarization has manifested itself and what the discussions will consist of. Inevitably it will be a most enjoyable fest, but in what coherence?

Great post.

If they don't reveal anything in April... fuck.

 

[Sadist]

That's about where I am on this. Truthfully, I'm much more interested in seeing what they decide to do with that controller. I need to spend more time brainstorming on what could be possible with that pad (and less time dreaming about what I'd do with lottery money).

I... I was thinking the same thing :|

You're correct. The ones that want to get a Wii U aren't the problem. I think a large majority of those that want to get Wii U will be happy. They haven't shown they have wild and outrageous expectations. It's primarily the ones that want some huge jump out of PS4 and Xbox 3 that feel the need to jump any and every little bit they can to say "See. Wii U won't be on par with PS4 and Xbox 3" when no one has ever had those expectations... except for jump_button recently and I'm writing that off as him joking about Wii U = Xbox 3.

So, the guys who yelled "lol looks worse than 360 footage" at E3 last year

And yeah, I don't know. More power could be fun, but I don't know. I was pretty content with the Wii untill last year (mostly because of the dried up release schedule) and people labled me as a fanboy when I told them I'm fine with Wii graphics, even with some nice looking PC games at my disposal.

 

[HylianTom]

While NeoGAF accounts for only a small demographic of Nintendo, it hosts a wide array of people involved with the industry in one way or another, and I seriously doubt anyone actually takes pride in either defending or opposing Nintendo and its interests in exorbitant ways, especially since we still know, despite very alluring and thought-provoking posts by IdeaMan, lherre and others, very little about the system and could practically compare it with immaculate conception, it just popped up from nowhere without any reasonable description or explanation. If this agenda will be utilized up until E3, I wonder how the polarization has manifested itself and what the discussions will consist of. Inevitably it will be a most enjoyable fest, but in what coherence?

This should not be taken too seriously, just venting my thoughts.

I count myself as a loyalist/fanman (too old and grizzled to be a mere fanboy), but with some questioning/skepticism within. But from looking at the quality of Nintendo-related conversations around here (notable exceptions: this thread and official game threads), I've largely made a point to just not engage at all. There are simply too many people around here who wish ill on the company and want nothing more than to see it go away (hell, we even have one with a "Banned" tag who's allowed to troll and hate all he wants, and with no pro-Nintendo counterpart)(please don't misconstrue as a backseat mod.. just a vent/observation), and my expectation of reasonable conversation with them is nonexistant.

I've arrived at the conclusion that to engage is to test your nerves.. and not in a good way. If you go too far, you run into the potential for trouble. And now, before what will be the biggest E3 in 6 years, is not the time. It ain't worth it trying to convince a brick wall to change its mind (and yes, I am aware of the irony of my saying this).

Thankfully, the Nintendo fans in these threads are varied enough to not march in lockstep (Flockstep?), so some good conversations/debates/speculations can be found here. So please, folks.. exercise restraint. I wanna see everyone around here in 70-something days.

edit: mmm.. Flockstep..

 

[ColdBlooder]

I dont understand why xbox and playstation "fans" want the strongest possible hardware in their next console.

599$+ anyone?

And what nobody mentioned before... When a console is using highly sophisticated tech, the development costs will rise alot. It happened this gen and what did we get? 70&#8364;(wich is about 92$ tax included) games. I DONT want to see the prices climb even higher thanks to even higher development costs.

So NO THANKS to an "Uberpowerful" console.

 

[bgassassin]

underline and bold from someone who uses inverted commas on supposedly. Heady stuff.

When, what, where, when, how, and to what extent?

If I question the sustainability of spending AAAAA production costs to generate AAAA sales, am I holding back developer's dreams?

Are you limiting them to 2GB of memory?

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

There are simply too many people around here who wish ill on the company and want nothing more than to see it go away (hell, we even have one with a "Banned" tag who's allowed to troll and hate all he wants, and with no pro-Nintendo counterpart)(please don't misconstrue as a backseat mod.. just a vent/observation), and my expectation of reasonable conversation with them is nonexistant.

Drinky is a Gaf legend, but once upon a time he was actually funny, whoever does him now is a pale imitation(or he got old).

 

[blu]

I'm not content until we get the Omega game, and no amount of A-repetitions can fool me. There, I said it.

 

[HylianTom]

Drinky is a Gaf legend, but once upon a time he was actually funny, whoever does him now is a pale imitation(or he got old).

He may be a Legend, but it's been a long sore point of mine that I have bit my tongue on for a long time. If there were a pro-Nintendo character providng balance, or even anti-Sony and anti-MS versions, I'd've said nothing. And I should probably shut-up on the topic. Apologies.

 

[bgassassin]

So, the guys who yelled "lol looks worse than 360 footage" at E3 last year

Exactly, haha.

And yeah, I don't know. More power could be fun, but I don't know. I was pretty content with the Wii untill last year (mostly because of the dried up release schedule) and people labled me as a fanboy when I told them I'm fine with Wii graphics, even with some nice looking PC games at my disposal.

Right. As mentioned a few posts ago, the issue is going to be more about still being able to get ports in the latter half of Wii U's life than needing to be some kind of "graphical beast" from the start. Like you I'll go for graphics with a PC. I'm expecting the features of all the consoles to "not hinder" PC games early on. Then once we start to see DX13 or OpenGL 6.x or whatever is available near the end of the next gen consoles' lives, we'll hear the "consoles are holding back PCs" argument again.

I'm not content until we get the Omega game, and no amount of A-repetitions can fool me. There, I said it.

Freaking elitists crapping up the thread. If you can't settle for at least AAAAAAAA... AAAA then you're wasting your time here.

 

[Azure J]

AAAA is dump gaijin shit. Retro is SSS.

Retro is god tier stylish on the Devil May Cry scale?

I can dig it. :lol

 

[herzogzwei1989]

It's not a 2009 GPU - AMD started working on the GPU in 2009. It wasn't finished until June 2011 or later.

I happily stand corrected, then ^__^

 

[Cerebral Assassin]

He may be a Legend, but it's been a long sore point of mine that I have bit my tongue on for a long time. If there were a pro-Nintendo character providng balance, or even anti-Sony and anti-MS versions, I'd've said nothing. And I should probably shut-up on the topic.

I think the impression is that Nintendo fans are far easier to wind up than the rest, & the rest is just tradition/bait.

 

[HylianTom]

I think the impression is that Nintendo fans are far easier to wind up than the rest, & the rest is just tradition/bait.

I can buy into that. Nintendo fans do tend to take things overboard a bit more easily.. for better or worse. The hype threads are seemingly unsurpassed, and the knockdown, drag-out fights over the silliest of things are something awesome and terrible to behold.

 

[Glorified G]

I dont understand why xbox and playstation "fans" want the strongest possible hardware in their next console.

599$+ anyone?

And what nobody mentioned before... When a console is using highly sophisticated tech, the development costs will rise alot. It happened this gen and what did we get? 70€(wich is about 92$ tax included) games. I DONT want to see the prices climb even higher thanks to even higher development costs.

So NO THANKS to an "Uberpowerful" console.

Has anyone been clamoring for a new optical disc media format in their next console? Because that is the primary reason the "Uberpowerful" PS3 costs that much in the first place.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

Watching the Bird/Nature/Garden demo and the Zelda demo has got me thrilled to play Nintendo games in HD. That's why I'm buying the system at launch. Plus all the 3rd party games will just be icing on the cake.