That's because he made it up. NO witnesses walked up to him. There were a couple of women that saw him immediately after the shooting and one of them asked him what was going on, but they asked him from their house/baclony. They never approached him. The male witness that confirmed seeing what they saw never approached him either. The first person to was an officer.
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BruiserBear
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By posting that link I'm most certainly not suggesting that Zimmerman having head wounds excuses his shooting of anyone, but that also doesn't mean I wish to write my own reality about what happened.
I made something up?
WTF is re-digitized?
demigod
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Did you even watch what you linked? They *saw* him, they weren't *near* him. And if I recall, wasn't the police the FIRST person that was near him? I like how you linked it to a witness that said they saw Zimmerman on top and the crying was from a child.
But BruiserBear knows his story and facts, surely he can't be wrong?
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Of course its meaningless--except for those that look for anything to justify Zimmerman's bullshit story. For common sense folk, it means that Trayvon defended himself; for others, it will be a reason to have murdered him. "Welts" or not, the former doesn't change.
Dunno if anyone is specifically saying that he could not have gotten head wounds - but that scratches on the back of the head do not denote a tussle of the epic proportions that were declared. In fact, if he told EMT's that his head was being bashed on the sidewalk repeatedly, the would probably take him in to check for a concussion, regardless. But the level of his wounds were so insignificant, they didn't even bother putting anything on them.
Basically, if something happened, it was innocuous, but it is being played up to greater levels to give his reaction legitimacy - something that I have been saying for quite a while (and quite a few others in the thread as well).
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
You doing alright so far...
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Bingo.
The devil's advocate routines here are a fucking bore and do nothing to help the discourse. The pertinent facts have been discussed ad nauseam but that doesn't matter to some people. Is there any way the OP can be altered to show the arguments of both sides + the facts and let people decide for themselves? There are so many angles and facts here that get buried really quickly and that just keeps this thread going in the same circular direction.
Am I right in remembering the total time elapsed between the police arriving on scene and him arriving at the police station was 36 minutes? I can't even walk to Starbucks and back in 30 minutes. Ridiculous to think he was even properly processed at the scene, never mind treated for head wounds.
BruiserBear
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Probably some form of uprezzing, like we see with DVD's put in a bluray player, etc.
It's like some people aren't even reading what I say. There should be a study done on this psychology playing out before our eyes.
You take what I post as a defense of Zimmerman, even though I've probably said 50 times in this thread by now that Zimmerman committed a horrible crime that night, and should got to jail for a long time for what he did. Who are you arguing with? Because it's not me.
It's particularly relevant in this discussion because we have people suggesting they don't even believe there was an altercation. So anything brought to light that might help clarify details would seem helpful.
Yes, there were PLENTY of people suggesting in this very thread that they saw NO wounds on Zimmerman in that video.
But yes, you're completely right. Zimmerman's story that there was a life and death struggle happening clearly seems unrealistic. He may have thought he was in a life or death struggle in his own mind, but then again, he also thought Treyvon was on drugs, up to no good, etc, etc.
If the surveillance video time stamp is accurate, correct.
Regardless, the superficial wounds that Zimmerman may have had to the back of his head and his nose are consistent with someone defending themself. They still don't prove that they were even close to being life threatening. More importantly, it wouldn't explain why Martin was crying for help 41 seconds before being shot. Who yells for help while allegedly bashing someone's head in the ground and breaking their nose...for 41 seconds.
soundscream
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I just watched it on the ABC website and Its strange.
It looks like a huge red branding on the back of the head.
But its so big and so red I dont see how you couldn't see it on the original video.
It looks like a huge red branding on the back of the head.
But its so big and so red I dont see how you couldn't see it on the original video.
"Enhance!"
"Sir if we Enhance is more there will be artifacting!"
"I SAID ENHANCE DAMNIT!"
mckmas8808
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He actually does talk about black on black violence. But of course that doesn't get shown or repeated a million times because most people don't care.
Link?
BattleMonkey
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Who says who is credible? Will be up to the attorneys and jury to determine which are credible for the case.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Bubububu the facts
I've hard a particular 'scenario' in my head of what probably happened, but it's baseless so I haven't shared it. I'll share in now, just for conversation - but I don't have anything to support this so I don't put any real weight on it.
Zimmerman catches up to Martin, and words are exchanged. Martin decides to get a bit aggressive, tells Zimmerman to shove it - maybe shoves him too. Zimmerman maybe shoves him back, regardless - something as benign as a shoving match occurs. In this however, a shove occurs hard enough to knock Zimmerman to the ground and smack his head on the sidewalk (maybe it was a punch to the nose, maybe it was a shove to the nose, maybe it was neither and his nose actually wasn't bleeding). Regardless, Zimmerman gets up (maybe knocks Martin to the ground) and pulls out his gun. He is furious that he got wounded and is in some sort of adrenaline fuelled rage. This is where the screaming begins. Maybe he gets ontop of Martin and starts cussing him out with the gun in his face or chest or something, threatening him with the bravado that happens in these situations (Do you know who I am? Etc) - maybe his intention was never to shoot, but just to scare him shitless. Obviously Martin is fucking frantic and tries grabbing for the gun at this point, or with some adrenaline rush, is now substantially stronger and is fighting back in some way (all the while screaming for help) - eventually, Zimmerman gets scared because this kid is a bit too strong with the adrenaline pumping through his veins - so he takes the shot.
Again, I'm not even 50% sure on this scenario, this is just what my original idea of what happened was.
Zimmerman catches up to Martin, and words are exchanged. Martin decides to get a bit aggressive, tells Zimmerman to shove it - maybe shoves him too. Zimmerman maybe shoves him back, regardless - something as benign as a shoving match occurs. In this however, a shove occurs hard enough to knock Zimmerman to the ground and smack his head on the sidewalk (maybe it was a punch to the nose, maybe it was a shove to the nose, maybe it was neither and his nose actually wasn't bleeding). Regardless, Zimmerman gets up (maybe knocks Martin to the ground) and pulls out his gun. He is furious that he got wounded and is in some sort of adrenaline fuelled rage. This is where the screaming begins. Maybe he gets ontop of Martin and starts cussing him out with the gun in his face or chest or something, threatening him with the bravado that happens in these situations (Do you know who I am? Etc) - maybe his intention was never to shoot, but just to scare him shitless. Obviously Martin is fucking frantic and tries grabbing for the gun at this point, or with some adrenaline rush, is now substantially stronger and is fighting back in some way (all the while screaming for help) - eventually, Zimmerman gets scared because this kid is a bit too strong with the adrenaline pumping through his veins - so he takes the shot.
Again, I'm not even 50% sure on this scenario, this is just what my original idea of what happened was.
Yeah. Paramedics aren't allowed to eff around with head injuries. You CAN release yourself on your own recognizance, but they have MASIVE liability in head injury situations and get super isnistent.
Wooooooow.
That's obviously not an injury but a color artifact from the 'Re-Digitization'.
BruiserBear
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I think that's similar to what I've imagined myself. I'd imagine Trayvon landed a shot to Zimmerman's nose or something, they fall to the ground in a scuffle, roll around for a moment or two, Zimmerman gets him under control, Trayvon is yelling for help, and maybe eventually goes for the gun, and Zimmerman shoots.
But I could still imagine other scenarios going down as well, with slight differences.
I'm not completely sold, because that's pretty big mark for it not show up on the original.
Is that the only angle they have?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Please tell me you are kidding
BruiserBear
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It was visible in the original. Just not as obviously. I had a debate with several people at the time about it. They told me I was crazy for believing there were visible marks there, even though there were visible marks there.
Its probably the only angle the artifacts shows up at. I'm assuming it's more shadows that have been 'Re-Digitized' then actual wounds.
I'd love to see a side by side shot of the original and the redigitized.
they are trying to cover up the entire thing and let Zimmerman go, thus the "why would they."
Sure, its just my opinion, but if anything were to leak. A picture is worth 1000 words.
All of this Zimmerman scratches stuff just proves that they fought, and he shot trayvon for wearing a hoodie and walking down his street, who defended himself. Which I think most people have figured by now.
It really is like the kid has no right to defend himself, but zimmerman does. After provoking the entire situation.
I mean for fucks sake, we had Rhiannas busted up face within a day of the incident, but we can't see Zimmermans trayvon-rage-beaten face by now... please.
Exactly.
Exactly, as was the phantom scratch in the first place.
And the phantom broken nose.
I know the SPD are pretty big fuck ups, but is it standard procedure to allow someone with blood on their head to walk around without bandages and without them using gloves while handling them?
I think something like that would be visible at all angles - but that 'wound' is only visible around the time where (I think) shadow is bouncing off a head bump/ridge. I mean, if there is a bright red gash like that on the back of the head - it's not invisible until JUST the right moment, then disappears shortly afterward. It would be visible during the entire run of the enhanced video.
We have no idea. No more evidence is being released.
Exactly. You only see the 'wound' at that angle because of how the light is casting shadows on his head. Notice the two lines going down are mirrored? That's a classic sign of an artifact.
Trayvon Martin EMC Ambulance Audio Recording between dispatchers and ambulance/emt personnel on February 26th, 2012.
An additional ambulance was requested at one point in the recording and then cancelled. The second ambulance is presumed to have been for George Zimmerman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8lnzDqIEc&feature=player_embedded
An additional ambulance was requested at one point in the recording and then cancelled. The second ambulance is presumed to have been for George Zimmerman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K8lnzDqIEc&feature=player_embedded
Miggytronz
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If Zimmerman is cleaned up, being stopped bleeding, blood cleaned up and sanitized. I dont see why the police should be concerned with wearing gloves especially after the EMTs cleared him.
BruiserBear
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I'm not sure why this is important. We already knew Zimmerman's injuries did not require an ambulance.
Joel Was Right
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Is the heat focused more on the PD than Zimmerman, is that now the 'story'? Originally people were implying this was racially motivated. What's the narrative now?
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
Then he shouldn't be free
BruiserBear
Banned
I agree with you.
Police probably don't have enough evidence to convict Zimmerman, hence no arrest. Additionally they are not releasing all their information because its an active case.
Public unrest is building so blame is being thrown all over the place. Mob mentality.
A broken nose and trauma to the back of the head that causes bleeding sure as hell requires an ambulence. If zimmerman actually suffered those wounds, which he probably didn't.
They all KNOW he shouldn't be free. They just keep arguing around the reasons that the around bottom line not changing.
Which is why this thread makes ones face hurt, unlike zimmermans, over and over.
Zimmerman didn't have life threatening injuries, not that he NEEDS to have them, but his defense is that, and thats the reason he shot trayvon. Its clear from several facts, including a video that needs to be "re-Digitized" to see his phantom wounds, that are only visible at one point of a video, as the video was just sharpened and saturated, more than likely in just that area. I wish we could have another thread of just Fact/Story updates.
Again, Trayvon more than likely hit the guy, defending his self. But the same people debating this and trying to get a AH-HA! moment, are ignoring this right of his. And that if he was being beaten and screaming for help, then shot, there is no way in christs hell he was a threat to zimmerman, until he went for his gun to defend himself, again. Which is all questionable, but hell. Zimmerman started this entire thing, lied a few times, police messed up, and still.
Here we are.
Why the fuck did the police release him based on all the information we have? This really confuses me.
Actually, now that I look at the original video, there definitely are marks there. Watch the original in 480p here from 0:17 to 0:25, you can clearly see the marks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HqKSMMEYHxA#t=17s
Original video, then enhanced video on right:
The story is the Sanford PD and the DA at this point, because they are the ones standing in the way of him getting arrested. I would love for that story last night to come true that the Department of Justice is taking comments on doing an investigation on the whole areas justice system and not just for this particular case as its clear this isn't the first time the Sanford PD has had some controversial decisions.
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