GI.biz: "Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say"

It's true, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are 512 bit systems while the Wii U is only 256 bit. Therefore, PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics are more powerful.
 
theBishop said:
And all these rumors are pointing in roughly the same direction. Nintendo is releasing a console which competes against PS3/360, not the next batch of consoles.

It was ridiculous to expect otherwise. Nintendo didn't try to ramp up expectations at E3. Reggie merely said WiiU would "tick that box". And Nintendo has never published a current-gen game. Expecting them to leap up and grab the next-gen brass ring in 2012 is absurd.
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Yes, so we know Nintendo isn't going to release a cutting edge technological showpiece. Everyone knows that, yet every thread goes through the same dance of nintendo doom, zelda gifs etc. Doesn't add much to these forums tbh.
 
Here's the reality of next gen:

Next gen visual fidelity isn't going to come down to hardware. It's going to come down to time and money. Even now, we can pump out fantastic looking games on PS3/360. They may not measure up to their PC counterparts, but they still look damn fucking good. There may be a few people here or there who think they look meh or are unimpressed compared to what they get on their PC. I don't give a shit about people who think that because that's not the common consensus. Most people do think current gen games still look great.

I guarantee you there are going to be next gen PS4/XB3 launch titles that look significantly worse than the cream of the crop of this gen. We're getting to the point were all it takes is copious amounts of time in order to produce an impressive level of detail. Not all devs are up to the task of pushing modern hardware as far as absolutely possible. And that's fine, pushing hardware to its limits isn't going to net you a great game. There are going to be great looking games on Wii U, just like there are going to be shitty looking games on all next gen consoles. The only thing that really matters in terms of wii u power is that porting is a possibility. If ports are possible, I have faith they will come.
 
It has the best graphics, it has terrible graphics, it's more powerful than a 360, it's less powerful than a gentle rainstorm...

All irrelevant for me. My simple criteria is "does it play Mario", and if it does then I will probably buy it eventually.

Everyone else do what makes you happy.
 
magash said:
Please watch this video. It explains the ease of developing for Wii U compared to the PS3
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When you work on something for the Xbox or Playstation 3, every problem has been solved. And you just need to go search on the newsgroups or email support. We were literally finding things as we worked on this, telling Nintendo about them. 'Hey, how does this work?' 'Well, I dunno' and then we would find the solution ourselves sometimes.
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That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about.
 
Stahsky said:
I don't understand the hype for this console
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It's a Nintendo console.

You've got the fact it has Nintendo games. Awesome Nintendo games that people enjoy. New console, new games, new graphics for those games, and so on. Fans are excited.

Then you've got the fact that, in tradition with the Wii, Nintendo is doing some goofy shit with the controller. They've got some iPad touch panel shit going on as the main controller for their new console. Plus video streaming. Quite unexpected.

Lastly, there's Nintendo's usual tight lipped stance on rumours and gossip. We seem to have more believable hardware rumours on the PS4/XboxWhatever than the Wii U, despite the latter being the only to have a formal announcement.

Throw in a dash of hyperactive fanboy dribble and now you understand why people are hyped.
 
Let's look at this realistically.

It would be pretty hard for Nintendo to make something less powerful than a PS3 or 360.

Much like it's cheaper for Sony to stick in a 160gb harddrive than a 40gb.
 
Graphics are not as powerful? What? Who says that? The 360 doesn't have more powerful graphics over the original Xbox, it has more powerful hardware which produces better looking graphics. No one says "look at those powerful graphics!". And "there aren't as many shaders"? What does that even mean? You can use as many or few shader algorithms as you want. Unless they meant shader units. This doesn't sound like someone involved with game development.
 
Coolwhip said:
Yes, so we know Nintendo isn't going to release a cutting edge technological showpiece. Everyone knows that, yet every thread goes through the same dance of nintendo doom, zelda gifs etc. Doesn't add much to these forums tbh.
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Yeah, I actually agree. I think Wii showed that Nintendo can make huge bank without trying to push technology forward, and they can very likely do it again.
 
guek said:
Here's the reality of next gen:

Next gen visual fidelity isn't going to come down to hardware. It's going to come down to time and money. Even now, we can pump out fantastic looking games on PS3/360. They may not measure up to their PC counterparts, but they still look damn fucking good. There may be a few people here or there who think they look meh or are unimpressed compared to what they get on their PC. I don't give a shit about people who think that because that's not the common consensus. Most people do think current gen games still look great.
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So you don't care what others think and that is reality?
 
Medalion said:
I don't understand how any mature person cares about anything Nintendo does? Pffft shyuh...right
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I still want my Mario, please! And Metroid. That's why I buy Nintendo consoles. I just think this new system is mis-timed and out of touch with the current marketplace. Sure, it'll do solid sales based on the Nintendo properties alone. But I think it could be so much more if Nintendo would take some bigger risks.
 
Talamius said:
At this point let's just wait for E3. If the rumor cycle continues we'll be down to Atari 2600 comparisons.
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Exclusive Sonic Colors 2 clip Wii U exclusive launch title you heard it here first.

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"There aren't as many shaders" and "The graphics are just not as powerful" are nonsense child comments, like someone trying to wield jargon he doesn't understand. They should be made fun of.
 
Brera said:
Let's look at this realistically.

It would be pretty hard for Nintendo to make something less powerful than a PS3 or 360.
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You don't know Nintendo do you.

People ragging about the not as powerful graphics quote... you can twist words all you want, you will know in your hearts it to be true...
 
EatChildren said:
It's a Nintendo console.

You've got the fact it has Nintendo games. Awesome Nintendo games that people enjoy. New console, new games, new graphics for those games, and so on. Fans are excited.

Then you've got the fact that, in tradition with the Wii, Nintendo is doing some goofy shit with the controller. They've got some iPad touch panel shit going on as the main controller for their new console. Plus video streaming. Quite unexpected.

Lastly, there's Nintendo's usual tight lipped stance on rumours and gossip. We seem to have more believable hardware rumours on the PS4/XboxWhatever than the Wii U, despite the latter being the only to have a formal announcement.

Throw in a dash of hyperactive fanboy dribble and now you understand why people are hyped.
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it's at e3 where the hype levels will go through the roof

until they announce the price, 3ds hype cycle all over
 
Zero AA, simple geometry in zelda and "we are not going into tech race with MS/Sony" said it all. The wet dreams about 5xPS360, new dev kits etc. were bullshit. It will probably be on par but with more megs.
 
The greatest things about these threads is that both sides are pretty much insane and grasping at straws that weren't even there to begin with. I laugh at you, console-GAF.
Will probably get a 3DS and a WiiU
 
Boney said:
it's at e3 where the hype levels will go through the roof

until they announce the price, 3ds hype cycle all over
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E3 is the hype singularity. We know it's coming, but it's impossible to predict what will come after.
 
maquiladora said:
Look at the site archive, this is the only exclusive rumour article GI.biz have published in the last 2 years (as far back as it goes).

Certainly doesn't seem like a site that throws out crazy rumours.

So again either multiple sources in the industry have decided to tell the same lie or the west coast editor of GI.biz (who has worked for EA, Capcom etc.) just decided to make up a totally bullshit story with imaginary sources.
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It's entirely possible for this to be bullshit without anyone involved lying, you know.
 
Brera said:
Let's look at this realistically.

It would be pretty hard for Nintendo to make something less powerful than a PS3 or 360.

Much like it's cheaper for Sony to stick in a 160gb harddrive than a 40gb.
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It's a little different though. When you're printing hundreds of thousands of circuit boards, the few cents in each component add up. With commodity 2.5" HDD, you're right Sony is mostly at the mercy of another vendor's supply chain. With the core components in WiiU, Nintendo has total control over the design. And there are more low power, low cost reference platforms available today than ever before.
 
guek said:
I'm talking about the market consensus. So yes, whether or not you or anyone else on gaf feels 360 games look dated doesn't matter. At all.
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Until the new systems come out and people who are in the dark see how dated their stuff looks. Same exact thing happened last gen with people saying "good enough". The casual public is happy with what they have till the next new shiny toy comes along and shows them wrong. Right now people don't care, but once the systems are announced and we start seeing actual game announcements, the markets mind will change as it always does.
 
Brera said:
Let's look at this realistically.

It would be pretty hard for Nintendo to make something less powerful than a PS3 or 360.

Much like it's cheaper for Sony to stick in a 160gb harddrive than a 40gb.
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Its not hard to make hardware weaker than HD twins released 7 years ago if you are Nintendo. And if your console is the size of wallet.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Until the new systems come out and people who are in the dark see how dated their stuff looks. Same exact thing happened last gen with people saying "good enough". The casual public is happy with what they have till the next new shiny toy comes along and shows them wrong.
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Yeah, just like the 360 and PS3 exploded out of the gate and the wii was an old busted pos that stayed on shelves like forever. Get a fucking clue, GAF is an irrelevant microcosm
 
Pimpbaa said:
Graphics are not as powerful? What? Who says that? The 360 doesn't have more powerful graphics over the original Xbox, it has more powerful hardware which produces better looking graphics. No one says "look at those powerful graphics!". And "there aren't as many shaders"? What does that even mean? You can use as many or few shader algorithms as you want. Unless they meant shader units. This doesn't sound like someone involved with game development.
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Yea it sounds like they got the info from a 10 year old fanboy.
 
Brera said:
Let's look at this realistically.

It would be pretty hard for Nintendo to make something less powerful than a PS3 or 360.

Much like it's cheaper for Sony to stick in a 160gb harddrive than a 40gb.
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When you're Nintendo, buying chips in bulk.. you design it to spec and your budgets. Sure buying a bit of ram from Samsung you might save more buying bigger than smaller. But consoles aren't off the shelf consumer parts usually.
 
I refuse to believe this. Wouldn't be harder to build a console weaker than the PS360 nowadays than it would be to build a more powerful console?
 
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