GI.biz: "Wii U less powerful than PS3, Xbox 360, developers say"
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Nah, it used to be about gameplay + tech but these days are long gone now.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
I'm having a hard time believing that to be honest. I mean... wouldn't it stand to reason that 3rd parties would request from Nintendo that the system at a bare minimum be equal to the 360/PS3?
Littlegator
Banned
It is factually impossible for the game to look better on your 55" TV than a direct feed video rip.
That scorpion fight isn't actually all that impressive. Not sure why that's your showcase for God of War 3's graphics.
Visualante2
Member
Nobody asking the real questions: is it more powerful than an iPad?
Jasper Avenue
Member
If it costs $150 - $200, I'll be in on Day 1. For someone who had zero interest in the WiiU at a $300+ price point, I think this could work for them.
Didnt you know, its all cod players are talking about, a generational leap in graphics!
From "more powerful" to "on par" to "less powerful"
I can't wait until next week's article, "around Dreamcast level"
Patcher knew all along
I honestly think that what we're seeing here is changing specs, a reaction to changing circumstances. It's been almost a year since Wii U was originally unveiled.
In that time Nintendo has posted its first ever annual loss due to having to slash the 3DS' price just to get the thing to sell.
They know now they can't sell an expensive console.
I think back at last E3 the nebulous target specs they were using, and the specs they gave to developers probably were a little more powerful than the PS3/360. Now they aren't.
I wouldn't be surprised if even the Zelda demo was based on those specs and if whatever eventual Zelda game they release doesn't end up looking as good.
As a huge Nintendo fan can't say I'm happy about this, but I'm not really surprised either. I'll probably end up getting all 3 consoles like I did this gen.
Blah blah early dev kits blah blah rushed demo blah blah not optimised blah blah.
GhostTrick
Banned
Damn son...
Zelda tech demo
Tri Ace tech demo
GOW III
You may think Zelda demo looks better than these, but it doesn't. No, even if its off screen. Do I have to mention that GOW III avg. frame rate is ~40 fps while Zelda was 30 locked?
bullshots vs a bad screenshot that came from an old build of a demo.
Monty Mole
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Unfortunately the amount of people that actually own a PS3+Vita renders that nugget of information commercially useless.
Nah, it's lame, beyond it's prettiness, and GoW4 will be even prettier anyway. Hold fast my good man.
nckillthegrimace
Member
You really shouldn't; it's not a very good game. Get the two HD collections instead.
gaming_noob
Member
So which game would be in a disadvantage here? Zelda demo with 2 characters on screen in one room, or a full God of War 3 game in massive environments and superior image quality?
Oh come on.
Damn son...
Zelda tech demo
Tri Ace tech demo
GOW III
You may think Zelda demo looks better than these, but it doesn't. No, even if its off screen. Do I have to mention that GOW III avg. frame rate is ~40 fps while Zelda was 30 locked?
That's because the Tri Ace demo and GoW is using the optimised setting "Shade Of Brown Only".
Actually, neither GOW III or Tri Ace shots are bullshots. GOW III has very sophisticated AA solution coupled with very dark artstyle so jaggies are very very hard to spot.
Just let it go dude. The Zelda demo is not amazing. There is nothing mindboggling about the lighting, geometry, character models, ANYTHING in that demo. It was just a nod to fans saying 'yep, look forward to more of this shit.'
Umm...
Looks worse than many current gen games. This isn't really debatable. You might like the art style, and you might get all wet in the panties seeing a new Link, but technically it's not up to the standards of a lot of current games and certainly not something I'd be touting as next gen. Again, to say it looks technically better than GoW3 or GoW3 is just wrong. It doesn't.
If the WiiU was some graphic pwerhouse Nintendo would be, like they said in the article, shouting that shit from the top of every hill. They're not.
GhostTrick
Banned
Yeah, it's a known fact that Zelda games are only about corridors while God of War is an open world game.
ClovingWestbrook
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GOW III
You may think Zelda demo looks better than these, but it doesn't. No, even if its off screen. Do I have to mention that GOW III avg. frame rate is ~40 fps while Zelda was 30 locked?
I beat GOW III and honestly I wasn't that impressed visually. There were a few moments that were impressive but overall the textures were atrocious and everything just felt so flat. I'm much more impressed and excited by the Zelda demo since the demo actually will be less impressive than the actual game if previous Zelda tech demos are anything to go by. Plus the art direction.
lol no. This will cost $250 minimum but will most likely cost $300 because contrary to what this article says -- if someone were to just go based on logic alone, not to mention the many developers, publishers that disagree with the OP -- the Wii U will be more powerful.
Such wit.
Wii-U less powerful than 360/PS3, who cares after that right?
Family/Party games are okay. Nothing wrong with 'em. Just expressing my confusion over how casual-gamer seems to be used these days to define your average CoD player rather than your average soccer mom whose most extreme gaming experience is WiiSports
Yeah, it's a known fact that Zelda games are only about corridors while God of War is an open world game.
Man, do you even know what a corridor is?
GhostTrick
Banned
I never said it was mind blowing or whatever. Just saying that no, God of War 3 isn't destroying this.
nckillthegrimace
Member
When the fools go to war with the dreamers, we all lose.
tkscz
Member
*facepalm*Damn son...
Zelda tech demo
Tri Ace tech demo
GOW III
You may think Zelda demo looks better than these, but it doesn't. No, even if its off screen. Do I have to mention that GOW III avg. frame rate is ~40 fps while Zelda was 30 locked?
Ok, lets ignore the bullshot, and just remember this, Zelda tech demo looks like that with underclocked hardware, and only a few months. GoW III, pushes the PS3's hardware and probably took longer to look like that. Case rest.
BigTnaples
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Did I "saw" the zelda demo? Why yes, I did.
Did you saw the intro to God of War III on my TV? Because I also see that, and it beats the living shit out of the Zelda tech demo...
And yes, I am aware, if you didnt notice by my avatar, I am a huge Zelda fan.
Twenty7KVN
Member
So now we are comparing frame rates of a game made for a system years after it comes out to a tech demo made on early unreleased hardware.
Shogmaster
Member
Not much of a question. iPad has long way to go before catching up to the twins. maybe in 5 years it might be somewhat on par with PS360. By then we will be well into the next twins.
I know many think that at the rate tablets increase their hardware power, it's only few years before surpassing everything, but that a flawed thinking that forgets about the power envelop difference between consoles (100~200W) vs tablets (~5W). Consoles don't have to run on batteries like portables. When you have much more power you are able to consume, you can have much more powerful hardware.
gaming_noob
Member
Watch the first 30 seconds of this. Come on, do it like an adult. You claim people have not seen the Zelda demo...why don't you take 30 seconds and just watch this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COQLMcelqbQ
TheLastCandle
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And as usual, people believe what they want to believe when these kinds of threads pop up.
E3, just fucking get here already.
E3, just fucking get here already.
Pessism to optimism, and everything in between. People get so passionate about Nintendo!
GhostTrick
Banned
People will STILL believe what they wanna believe, during E3, post E3, and years and years later... fanboy goggles ftl
MisterHero
Super Member
I guess Wii U getting Arkham City or Ninja Gaiden or Assassin's Creed won't do anything to illustrate what it's actually capable of D:
Sadly, E3 won't change many things...
Wii U: More details, playable demos, tease of Zelda, Mario, Smash... the usual suspects will like and fap to it, the other usual suspects will "lol" and talk about how is not next gen enough while claiming to be huge Nintendo fans that are going to abandon Nintendo "now". Not during the 480p Wii games that looked horrible on their TVs, not during the GameCube/N64 days were developers were abandoning Nintendo consoles and the PlayStation was getting stronger while Nintendo promoting GBA connectivity and Pac-man Vs. as the next big thing.....but .. "now".
Next Xbox/PS4 teaser: Will quickly be compared to Wii U games, as evidence that the Wii U is not powerful, "lol poor Nintendo". Hairs and shaders will be counted, resolutions will be measured and 20fps YouTube videos will be used as evidence of said demos running at 60fps and 1080p.
Of course, people will continue bringing possible Xbox and PS4 specs during that time, while neglecting or forgetting the "anti-used games rumors", the "always online requirements", the "no disc drives", the "lack of backward compatibility"...stuff that at the moment, hasn't been mentioned about the Wii U, since those sources are obviously lying, unlike the sources in this article.
Wii U: More details, playable demos, tease of Zelda, Mario, Smash... the usual suspects will like and fap to it, the other usual suspects will "lol" and talk about how is not next gen enough while claiming to be huge Nintendo fans that are going to abandon Nintendo "now". Not during the 480p Wii games that looked horrible on their TVs, not during the GameCube/N64 days were developers were abandoning Nintendo consoles and the PlayStation was getting stronger while Nintendo promoting GBA connectivity and Pac-man Vs. as the next big thing.....but .. "now".
Next Xbox/PS4 teaser: Will quickly be compared to Wii U games, as evidence that the Wii U is not powerful, "lol poor Nintendo". Hairs and shaders will be counted, resolutions will be measured and 20fps YouTube videos will be used as evidence of said demos running at 60fps and 1080p.
Of course, people will continue bringing possible Xbox and PS4 specs during that time, while neglecting or forgetting the "anti-used games rumors", the "always online requirements", the "no disc drives", the "lack of backward compatibility"...stuff that at the moment, hasn't been mentioned about the Wii U, since those sources are obviously lying, unlike the sources in this article.
Wii ruined everything.....except Nintendo's pile of money. I expect Wii U to be another disappointing piece of hardware that I end up buying 1-3 Nintendo games per year for. Mario, Zelda, Pikmin, and whatever surprise they have like Retro Donkey Kong on Wii. I don't look forward to buying hardware for 3 games a year though, but i eventually do so.
Because people bashing nintendo and graphicwhores are vocal.
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