ColdBlooder
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Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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Holy crap, man, you ain't lyin'. The body count is pretty high and seems to be climbing....
Real talk, the system can best be described as a half step between this gen and the next correct? That's really all I expected it to be from even back in the 01.net days and everything mentioned so far continues to point me in that direction. It will have features that keep its longevity guaranteed, a good amount of horsepower for the new and shiny and its unique tablet controller for different gameplay ideas and concepts, but it's not going to set the world on fire or re-invent the wheel graphically, correct?
ColdBlooder
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I'm not getting mad at all, i'm just astounded by this situation, type wii u on google, and 90% of the recent news are "it's on par or even inferior to PS3", it's hilarious actually
This will work to Wii U's benefit if it's clearly superior at E3, people who thought it was truly weaker then PS360 will actually be happy that Nintendo moved forward with graphics, but as I've been stating above, there is little point, some 360 games still look decent (witcher 2 for instance) even just changing the lighting and adding higher res textures would make that game look a lot better, and that is the absolute bare minimum we can expect from the Wii U (besides it being able to have that same scene from a different view point on the controller as well, oh and likely at a higher resolution)
I expect it to be more powerful than that, but knowing that it can do those things allows me to outright laugh and shake my head at some of these other threads, even some statements by people in this thread amaze me at times.
test_account
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About the WiiU GPU, it has to render and output two pictures at once. I'm not sure how much power it takes to do the 2nd picture though (that will be shown on the controller).
It depends on the Sony and Microsoft approach for their systems. If the rumors of bleeding-edge to very powerful platforms are true, then yes, i see the Wii U in the middle between their own brand leaps. But it's tech-wise, i'm not even sure we'll really notice such differences on screen.
Exterminieren
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Guys, you're not doing yourselves any favours by posting a thread for every positive comment that comes along.
People have made up their minds, and regurgitating interviews with NGamer is going to do nothing but serve as trollbait. Let them have their lolNintendo, and just wait for E3.
People have made up their minds, and regurgitating interviews with NGamer is going to do nothing but serve as trollbait. Let them have their lolNintendo, and just wait for E3.
Exactly what I am thinking.
People have short memories, and they will forget what happening right now completely if Nintendo blows us away at E3. And all these dramas will be laughed out hardly in the next cycle.
Either way, no one can get any answer until this E3. Please relax and have some faith in Nintendo. If they are determined, they will get things done.
Exactly
And it's a pity actually that there's such a focus on hardware capabilities, while this Colonial Marines interview could have ignited the very old Aliens fantasy of gamers to hold the motion tracking thing on their hand with the stressing beeping sound, while trying to survive to these monsters
Pretty pretty please, with cane sugar on top?
Bon appétit, third parties! Enjoy that grande meal you're ordering..
..you can deal with the cheque later. Maybe.
You made me hungry ><
btw, i think 3rd parties are not all craving for ultimate power, but the middleware growing influence on this industry is becoming worrying.
Euh... or how about the good old fashioned "we don't comment on rumor and speculation"? Saying you focus on the gameplay as a response to the question whether or not WiiU is even weaker, is about as dumb as it gets.
Exactly
And it's a pity actually that there's such a focus on hardware capabilities, while this Colonial Marines interview could have ignited the very old Aliens fantasy of gamers to hold the motion tracking thing on their hand with the stressing beeping sound, while trying to survive to these monsters
Dude, I want them to allow us to use IR and the Wii Pad. Lay the Wii Pad on the table and then use IR for guns, but when I need to search for aliens using the motion tracker I can pick up the Wii Pad and look around. Would be so cool. They really need to include (or have for purchase) a stand for the Wii Pad.
They've been saying almost the exact same thing for years now. This is basically the same thing as "we don't comment on rumor and speculation."
Agent Ironside
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I agree with this, with Nintendo trying to win 3rd parties over, which is clearly evident, they're going to have to show that their console can handle the next generation engines that are running on the other consoles as well. No 3rd party wants to build a brand new engine from scratch just to run on another, significantly lower powered system, and Nintendo knows this.
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Exactly
And it's a pity actually that there's such a focus on hardware capabilities, while this Colonial Marines interview could have ignited the very old Aliens fantasy of gamers to hold the motion tracking thing on their hand with the stressing beeping sound, while trying to survive to these monsters
It did for me. My only contributions to this thread have mostly been about controls, interface and community features, but even in here you would only get a few replies before discussion would go back to specs.
Well, they didn't confirm nor deny the rumor, so it's the same. The further comment is traditional since a lonnnng time, it doesn't imply that the graphics will be indeed left out and only on par with PS360.
But yes, maybe the additional precision wasn't the best move to make in the context of this "underpowered" news.
Or this gun-thing with slots for the padlet & all.
Oh I know.. that comment (which could've been clearer) was more directed to the power piggies in the bunch.
That's why I rarely post in this thread. The constant back and forward arguments about specs are so mundane.
Reggie actually laid it out very clearly in that Keighley dodge-o-rama last E3. It's an HD console. You'll get games in 720p and maybe a couple at 1080p. Now focus on the possibilities of the controller.
I would never use that, but it would be good to have it for those who want that level of immersion as well. Having the Wii Pad on the gun shell just looks too bulky and seems like it wouldn't take much for it to fall off. Heh, heh.
Yeah i hope it's solid, i would hate to see the padlet fall while i do a sudden movement because of a freakin alien attack ><
jump_button
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We really need to keep all this power stuff in this Thread dont help when a mod made a thread starting all this madness what point in have a Wii U Speculation Thread
Dude, Nirolak is awesome and literally the most impartial mod I see regularly creating threads. He got some info and posted a thread, it was the members of GAF with pre-determined biases (for and against) that turned that thread into a Carnival of Derp.
This is why I want a stand for the Wii Pad. I just wouldn't feel comfortable swinging it around like that. Just lay it on the table and use the remote and nunchuck. Though, I do admit for Colonial Marines it might be better to have the Wii Pad on the shell. Curious to see what kinds of things they've done with it. It's the possibilities that really get me excited about the Wii U.
I have nothing against him, but he should have known what was going to happen if he posted that information. It just opened a huge can of worms that really wasn't worth it. People can post whatever they want, but I do think mods should consider how the rest of the board is going to react in certain situations. Just seemed like it was bait to get people in a tizzy. Maybe not his intention, so I hope he doesn't take this the wrong way, but it just came across as that. Being posted by a Mod also just seem to give people an excuse to get crazy. Moderator sanctioned insanity. Heh, heh.
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Apart from the uses for ingame level editors, I'd love to see the pad getting used in multiplayer shooters.
Imagine the following setup:
A tactical shooter with realistic movement speeds and a priority focus on weight and inertia as the base of a 30 vs 30 or 50 vs 50 online tactical shooter.
The main controls would use the new Zapper, with the Pad Screen displaying a map, tactical options etc. The second you go into aim down sights, the pad displays the actual gameplay down the sights/scope of your gun.
Now what this would accomplish is: It would allow for quick and intuitive navigation while freely moving around, while completely eliminating the shortcomings of IR aiming while aiming down sights.
It would also reduce spray and pray, encourage tactical positioning, as each time you ready your gun you'll have a certain time to factor in until you're ready. This would work wonders for balancing high power weapons, as it would eliminate the option to just run around like an idiot no scoping people left and right like in current shooters.
Of course the game would also allow for normal controls, but I think it should enforce this kind of controls above the other ones.
TheNatural
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You're not going to know if it's more powerful after E3. Face it, they're not going to release specs anymore. And probably with good reason, because they're going to show off games and versions of 360/PS3 games at E3 and no one is going to be able to tell any difference and people are just going to be arguing over the minutia of how good GIFs look.
snowdog1971
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I partly agree with this but rather than having specs on par with the PS4 and 720 I'd say that they'll do the same thing with the U and have it more powerful than the current gen. This will always leave Microsoft and Sony playing catch up each generation.
I'm surprised that Microsoft didn't do this in 2010/2011 tbh, they could have launched the 720 with Kinect and had a machine that pissed all over the Wii and PS3 in terms of motion controls and specs. I also find it odd that Microsoft haven't introduced their own remote and nunchuck clones to be used in conjunction with Kinect.
Next gen Nintendo will have the upper hand in terms of eye candy for 2 or maybe even 3 years as developers would have been working with final dev kits for a while and will be able to make a difference due to being more familiar with the hardware.
radioheadrule83
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I like him a lot, but I think that thread gave others the impression that all these stories were thread worthy and that such discussion was mod-sanctioned. I think it might have been better had he not started that thread. That's not to say people shouldn't know better and know what to expect of GAF though...
I am shocked at how snooty and obnoxious some people are in that thread. Nobody is actually reading what other people say, its just LA LA LA LA LA NO U AR THE STOOPID, WHEN WIL U ACCEPT THIS... and worse still posts that are three words long. I mean, if you're going to click the reply button, at least make it worth reading.
Plinko
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Because those are the same people who saw the Wii U sizzle reel at E3 and said it "looked worse than 360/PS3" when it was actually 360/PS3 video.
jump_button
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Title taken out for context and it was speculation so should keep it in Wii U speculation thread same go for all others
I don't think E3 will stop this kind of stuff.
MoonLightWave
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Wii U controller for fps, do not want.
Absolutely!
Here's a very half baked idea I just had for an adventure game on Wii U based around the idea of memory.
The tablet displays your character's 'mind's eye'. What's taking place on the main screen causes the player's character to recollect earlier events, which can be seen on the subscreen. Previously encountered objects, characters and scenarios are sorted into the character's 'memory bank', accessible via the touch screen. Using the stylus, the player can literally 'make connections' between memories in order to find the solutions to puzzles.
You could cast your mind back to to the earlier shape of a room you are now trapped in in order to find the exit, or point out contradictions in an ally's statements to cast doubt on their trustworthiness.
Maybe this could be contextualized by the character having problems with memory and keeping a notebook. It would be sort of like Memento: The Game.
The tablet displays your character's 'mind's eye'. What's taking place on the main screen causes the player's character to recollect earlier events, which can be seen on the subscreen. Previously encountered objects, characters and scenarios are sorted into the character's 'memory bank', accessible via the touch screen. Using the stylus, the player can literally 'make connections' between memories in order to find the solutions to puzzles.
You could cast your mind back to to the earlier shape of a room you are now trapped in in order to find the exit, or point out contradictions in an ally's statements to cast doubt on their trustworthiness.
Maybe this could be contextualized by the character having problems with memory and keeping a notebook. It would be sort of like Memento: The Game.
No offense to them, but if it doesn't support IR, then I'm not picking it up. That's pretty much my stance on TPS and FPS games. I'll still pick up Wii versions of FPS games as long as they support IR.
Again this is why I lurk here. I love and respect Nintendo, but some of their fans have a twisted sense of reality (which can also be said for any of the camps to be fair):
Yes that makes sense: Let's try to boast about our graphics but then shy away if people want specifics...
Saying that Zelda would be a text adventure if Nintendo didn't care about graphics is quite the exaggeration. They do the best with what they got, of course they want their games to look as good as they can, any developer works for the same thing. That doesn't mean that they care about graphics though because frankly, they are going to seem pretty dated rather soon.
Also how graphically impressive those tech demos are is subjective as it's been discussed many times before. They looked nice, but I wouldn't really call them impressive for a "next gen" platform. Go ahead and call me a troll, but all I'm doing is trying to put things into perspective.
Issues surrounding the industry have more to do than just the tech race. If you think Nintendo now entering the HD-era is doing anything to help these issues then you're sadly mistaken.
Sorry but I can't really agree with any of this.
While I agree that Nintendo can launch a console at a loss, I don't believe they could handle multiple loss generations in a row. Losing billions every launch would kill the company and quickly wipe out the money they have. Unlike MS or Sony, most of Nintendo's business consists of the video game market. They don't have an OS or health insurance to sell to help make up for the losses in the company for example. So while I agree they could participate in the tech race, I question how long they can do it. Sony lost 5-6 billion this gen IIRC, do you really think Nintendo can eat that kind of loss without worry?
Ignoring your comment about dev houses going out of business, since that's mostly irrelevant towards this discussion, what you say about the consoles and PCs makes no sense. You're right that graphic advancements have stalled or slowed down in a way due to how long this generation has stretched out. However I don't understand how PCs make high end consoles pointless. These home consoles won't be competing with PCs, especially in the graphics area since they never could win. They also don't need to compete with PCs since more often than not, these consoles will be the lead, not the PC. Now where high end consoles do have a point is raising that base minimum spec for how games can be made. What this means is we'll likely see the PS4/720 become the base standard for development with games being ported up to the PC and possibly down to the Wii-U. Games will look MUCH better next gen than this gen, and that's not including the other improvements we see with improved tech, so yes there is a good point to releasing high end consoles.
Also, IMO you're going to be disappointed if you really think the difference between the Wii-U and the PS4/720 will be barely noticeable.
Yes that makes sense: Let's try to boast about our graphics but then shy away if people want specifics...
Saying that Zelda would be a text adventure if Nintendo didn't care about graphics is quite the exaggeration. They do the best with what they got, of course they want their games to look as good as they can, any developer works for the same thing. That doesn't mean that they care about graphics though because frankly, they are going to seem pretty dated rather soon.
Also how graphically impressive those tech demos are is subjective as it's been discussed many times before. They looked nice, but I wouldn't really call them impressive for a "next gen" platform. Go ahead and call me a troll, but all I'm doing is trying to put things into perspective.
Issues surrounding the industry have more to do than just the tech race. If you think Nintendo now entering the HD-era is doing anything to help these issues then you're sadly mistaken.
Sorry but I can't really agree with any of this.
While I agree that Nintendo can launch a console at a loss, I don't believe they could handle multiple loss generations in a row. Losing billions every launch would kill the company and quickly wipe out the money they have. Unlike MS or Sony, most of Nintendo's business consists of the video game market. They don't have an OS or health insurance to sell to help make up for the losses in the company for example. So while I agree they could participate in the tech race, I question how long they can do it. Sony lost 5-6 billion this gen IIRC, do you really think Nintendo can eat that kind of loss without worry?
Ignoring your comment about dev houses going out of business, since that's mostly irrelevant towards this discussion, what you say about the consoles and PCs makes no sense. You're right that graphic advancements have stalled or slowed down in a way due to how long this generation has stretched out. However I don't understand how PCs make high end consoles pointless. These home consoles won't be competing with PCs, especially in the graphics area since they never could win. They also don't need to compete with PCs since more often than not, these consoles will be the lead, not the PC. Now where high end consoles do have a point is raising that base minimum spec for how games can be made. What this means is we'll likely see the PS4/720 become the base standard for development with games being ported up to the PC and possibly down to the Wii-U. Games will look MUCH better next gen than this gen, and that's not including the other improvements we see with improved tech, so yes there is a good point to releasing high end consoles.
Also, IMO you're going to be disappointed if you really think the difference between the Wii-U and the PS4/720 will be barely noticeable.
Those demos were pretty worthless in retrospect. The zelda demo was a simple lighting demo using assets ripped straight out of twilight princess. The bird demo was being worked on up to the last minute and could have likely benefited from further optimization. On top of all that, the hardware was very early.
I hope what E3 2012 shows in full is that E3 2011 was a goddamn mess.
I hope what E3 2012 shows in full is that E3 2011 was a goddamn mess.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/342718/wii-u-games-look-just-as-good-as-ps3-but-its-still-not-as-capable/
I cant take much more of this >_>
I cant take much more of this >_>
Exactly, since the Wii (they even gave out specs for GCN). But it's not the same thing as not commenting.
There's a big difference between not commenting, and commenting by changing the subject.
Isn't it the twins? Olsen?
I'm getting it for Wii U
one of my most anticipated games for the system.
I'm not into FPS games but this one somehow has me excited.
One of my first purchases for the console, that's for sure.
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