A named source? How quaint.
But the source is a Nintendo magazine, so this can't be valid.
(breathlessly awaiting to see if any particular folks make a topic? naah..)
Wii U Speculation Thread The Third: Casting Dreams in The Castle of Miyamoto
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A named source? How quaint.
But the source is a Nintendo magazine, so this can't be valid.
(breathlessly awaiting to see if any particular folks make a topic? naah..)
DaSorcerer7
Member
That's more like it.
Twenty7KVN
Member
Round and round we go.
There's a full video interview of him saying it as well, not as believably as an anonymous quote though so I doubt we'll see a thread on it..
Someone should definately make a thread.
It seems like every time a Neogaf thread is made, websites pick it up and turn it into a news story. Maybe it'll clear some of the bullshit in the air about Wii U being weaker than 360.
Who am I kidding. No it won't lol.
DaSorcerer7
Member
I'll do it.
fabricated backlash
Member
No we shouldn't. It's embarassing enough with the threads that are allready there. Don't turn GAF into Gamefaqs or Gametrailers forums.
Fjolle
Member
Yeah you're right. It'll only turn into a mess. Nobody listen to me.
You doing it? because I will if you don't.
Yeah, you're probably right, but that's usually the case with PR =p
I think the main issue with the perception here is that IF there's any aspect that is slower/weaker than the PS360, people will stretch that out and apply it to the whole console when that likely isn't really the case.
What's unfortunate is that we'll probably never get official specs from Nintendo, so we'll have to go by vague comments from developers =/
Agent Ironside
Member
It has moar RAM than all the things.
More ram. Good processor. But the graphics are not powerful enough.
Really great processor
Seriously, what is enough? It sounds to me like Gearbox think its enough. 2x 360 is enough to me.
Its got more RAM then everything combined!!.
Nintendo isn't helping with the speculation with their response:
http://news.yahoo.com/developers-claim-wii-u-weaker-ps3-360-nintendo-210201325.html
The main headline of the article is "Nintendo says focus on "play," not "numbers."
That headline combined with Nintendo's quoted response, causes more speculation and confusion.
The only people who know that Wii U is more powerful than 360/PS3 are people in this thread.
Fuck it, I've already gone and done it.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469055
We need more positive news anyway.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=469055
We need more positive news anyway.
If it annoys you that much, just post all you know about the system and be done with it.
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
I could swear this is from E3...
Dude, you should be totally used to this by now. No one should even be entertaining this idea that the Wii U is somehow weaker than the 360. People around here are crazy.
I don't think so. At E3 they weren't even ready to commit they were even going to do a Wii U version of the game. The press release was even like "maybe it'll come to the Wii U". Crazy stuff at the time.
Cant we just go by the output of the console?
It is rather remarkable when you think about it the extent to which people are willing to go to in order to believe any negative story or headline about the Wii U. We have named developers from Gearbox, Vigil, EPIC come out and say the Wii U is stronger than PS3/XBOX360 yet people would rather listen to what an anonymous developer said than what the folks from Vigil, EPIC and Gearbox say.
This situation reminds me about how some were certain that the PSP was stronger than the 3DS even though first generation 3DS games like RE:R proved the opposite.
Guys, don't post these "For or Against" things anymore. It's just not worth it when we will never know how developers themselves feel in this climate when some could be happy working on pre-final Wii U stuff while others are not as enthused thanks to their own expectations.
All this does is make GAF unbearable when I'm here looking through thinking "oh some new info might be in there, maybe I should read a little--
FUCK."
It's getting to a point where Nintendo will have to say something the closer we get to E3, just be patient or indulge in a little investigation or two to see where things are now.
All this does is make GAF unbearable when I'm here looking through thinking "oh some new info might be in there, maybe I should read a little--
FUCK."
It's getting to a point where Nintendo will have to say something the closer we get to E3, just be patient or indulge in a little investigation or two to see where things are now.
Agree. Outside of a conclusive, definitive statement, best to just let things be. Those threads turn to crap in about 5 posts.
There are ppl who say that??
That Nintendo doesnt care about graphics....Nintendo....really??
You are kidding me? Or not?
Nintendo is one of the few companies that really care about graphics.
What Nintendo (and some of their 1st party devs pressed out of the NES, SNES, N64, GC and Wii was like pure god created stuff not managed from any other dev on the same system.
Nintendo: "No, it's false, the Wii U won't be comparable or even less powerful"
>>>>>>>>>> players reactions: "AMAGAD WII U IZ A BEAST confirmed !!!!!! 10x Xbox360, a full generational leap"
Come E3, same players "meh, it's not 10x Xbox360"
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Nintendo: "Yes, it's right, the Wii U will be comparable"
>>>>>>>>> players reactions: "AMAGAD, i'll avoid the Wii U even if i didn't witness what it's capable of, and first party titles, and i don't care about E3 anymore, it's not enough powerful for me !"
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They dodge the bullet, continue to build "anticipation by blackout" until E3, and then people who really believe the Wii U will be a PS360 in disguise, will be surprised. They can't counter bad rumors that spread around their system every week, it's a never-ending task, furthermore with their hardware still in flux a bit, etc.
Agreed. My post about waiting to see if certain folks make a topic wasn't an actual wish. It was more me being snarky..
Ngamer is part of the future network which means that EDGE mag and CVG will pick the story up. Which means Eurogamer will post the story too because they are in a pissing match with CVG.
From what I heard face to face from the CVG online editor that is. They both complain that they copy each other LOL.
Haha that's pretty funny.
fabricated backlash
Member
What a shame. No really. All this does, and it's allready on display in your thread, is that people lack the ability to discuss, or form arguments outside their preconceived notions.
These aren't positive news, this is just another shithole for all the usual suspects to load of their bullcrap.
My very first intervention states clearly that the Wii U isn't on par AT ALL, and that it's at least 2x Xbox360, with some parts x3/x4/x5 more powerful/more in quantity.
There are just 890 elements posted in these 3 threads that prove by A + B that the Wii U won't be "on par", it will be superior. Not FAR superior, not a full generational leap, but a noticeable leap nonetheless. But it serves nothing, because every time someone on the web declare that the Wii U is underpowered or equal to XBox360, a lot of people accept that as truth without even considering the context of the information.
That quote is about Nintendo not caring about pushing graphics beyond where they are now, I believe whole heartily that this is the case, that graphics for the sake of graphics doesn't make a better game and Nintendo would rather make a game that is technically middle of the road but with an art style that fits the game and brings it to life.
I've always seen cutting edge as what can be done on a PC, so for me, I think Nintendo has the right idea, you make a machine that can push forward your vision of the games you want to make, those games will be all the better for it, without needing to go bleeding edge at all.
I'd much rather have a Wii U console with nice textures and 720p and really great lighting with something like the bird demo or zelda demo, that are unique and fun experiences, then BF3 on ultra at 1080p on a xbox720. (I already have it on my PC)
I'm guessing you know the raw numbers of the specs.......
Go on, share with the world what you know.
Here is more of the quote from Martel:
"I think things like the Wii U are really becoming very sexy with what you can do with the controller and especially with what you're able to do with things, like using motion tracker or whatever sub-gameplay that you'll see on there. I think that that's a, compelling experience. I think the machine itself will be one of the best looking versions of the game because you know, they've got more RAM then you know, some of the other things (platforms) and because they're late in the cycle so they've got this really great processor and some of the other stuff. This particular engine has the potential to really cross the generational gap between now and then."
"I think things like the Wii U are really becoming very sexy with what you can do with the controller and especially with what you're able to do with things, like using motion tracker or whatever sub-gameplay that you'll see on there. I think that that's a, compelling experience. I think the machine itself will be one of the best looking versions of the game because you know, they've got more RAM then you know, some of the other things (platforms) and because they're late in the cycle so they've got this really great processor and some of the other stuff. This particular engine has the potential to really cross the generational gap between now and then."
As someone who's deeply interested in the tech, I prefer to know the guts of the hardware just out of pure interest. We all already know the Wii-U isn't going to stack up to the next PS and xbox, so comparisons are pointless and petty IMO.
I hope you're not directing this comment towards me since I don't jump to any conclusions on next gen systems, positive or negative. I look at the rumors and possibilities presented and form my own opinion. Besides it's not like some people here are no better than the other posters hanging on negative news. This is why I lurk more than I post with this thread.
As someone else mentioned above, they don't care about graphics and have made that clear for years now. If they cared, they would break the bank and sell the system at a loss for greater performance. I understand they can't do that though if they want to stay in business, so they play to their other strengths which is software.
They make great looking games on the hardware they produce, but that's not the same as saying they care about graphics.
ColdBlooder
Banned
Why dosent anyone read my posts *cry*
I have my own theorie why everyone thinks the WiiU is so weak.
PS4/Durango spec sheets is propably full of theoretical numbers (gflops/tflops wise, etc...) wich, by far, wont be archived in real life, but hey... they look cool on paper
WiiU spec sheet may state numbers alot closer to the reality, wich undoubtly would be lower.
Same thing happened with xbox/ps2/gcn where the cube looked alot weaker when you compared the numbers. We all know this wasnt the case...
I have my own theorie why everyone thinks the WiiU is so weak.
PS4/Durango spec sheets is propably full of theoretical numbers (gflops/tflops wise, etc...) wich, by far, wont be archived in real life, but hey... they look cool on paper
WiiU spec sheet may state numbers alot closer to the reality, wich undoubtly would be lower.
Same thing happened with xbox/ps2/gcn where the cube looked alot weaker when you compared the numbers. We all know this wasnt the case...
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Every day until June!
IceDoesntHelp
Banned
Am excite.
bgassassin
Member
PS4/Durango spec sheets is propably full of theoretical numbers (gflops/tflops wise, etc...) wich, by far, wont be archived in real life, but hey... they look cool on paper
WiiU spec sheet may state numbers alot closer to the reality, wich undoubtly would be lower.
It might still not have all the info for all we know.
What's right about 3DSs online? Still no integrated chatsystem, still friendcodes, still no accountbased Eshop...
ColdBlooder
Banned
If they wouldnt care about graphics since the wii, skyward sword would have been a text adventure...
If they wouldnt care about graphics, why show 2 graphically impressive tech demos... ("To demonstrate of what the system is capable of..." Reggie said last E3 before the japanese gardem demo reel was shown...)
AceBandage
Banned
That's not entirely correct. They care about graphics, insomuch that they want their bigger games to have beautiful production values.
What you should say is they don't care about the technology arms race that is slowly destroying the industry.
Also, loving this trend of new contradictory statements from the gaming media every day. GAF is going to lose half it's members before E3.
Not the GPU details.
But imagining in a pretty weird scenario that the CPU and GPU are similar in raw output, then, only with the improvements in the caches/buffer/memory department on Wii U compare to current gen, you'll notice the leap. So when you ditch this former apocalyptic level scenario, and climb only to the bad one, with moderately powerful CPU and GPU from 2007/2008, the leap widen further. Climb to the reasonably non-optimistic one, with customized "cheap" 2008 tech, the gap is bigger. Etc Etc. Now when you consider the reasonable/normal scenario, legitimated by concrete informations and facts (state of dev kits, development of the GPU still occurring through 2011, more efficient CPU, and tons of other things that we talked about enough), it enlarge again the contrast between PS360 and Wii U.
Really, i can't understand how people could believe the Wii U will be on par.
Don't get mad IdeaMan. You are only a man, they have web pages....XD
Actually this is false, I agree with everything you said except this statement, it's not because they can't... they have more money then sony for instance, and can easily handle multiple loss generations in a row without changing their business strategy.
The Wii U will be more powerful then current gen consoles, of that I am 100% sure of, but there is just not a reason to push graphics when PCs will beat them out at day one, to be perfectly honest, the PS360 has held back graphics since 2007 (dx10/crysis) ever since then, pc games haven't really improved because they were all being ported to the HD Twins at sub HD resolutions, while half the dev houses were going out of business.
Nintendo knows that the industry needs, and PCs will push high end graphics without consoles forcing them to, so there is really no point whatsoever in xbox 720 having more power then Wii U when it will be barely noticeable (smaller than xbox360 to PC) and you'll still have PCs that today out perform what the "next gen" home consoles will do.
Oh jesus. Why are those threads so hilariously depressing?
I'm not getting mad at all, i'm just astounded by this situation, type wii u on google, and 90% of the recent news are "it's on par or even inferior to PS3", it's hilarious actually
test_account
XP-39C²
The WiiU comparisons have always been to the PS3 and Xbox 360 from what i have seen. I dont think it has anything to do with PS4/Xbox 720. It is also too early to say if the spec sheets for those two consoles will be a reality or not.Why dosent anyone read my posts *cry*
I have my own theorie why everyone thinks the WiiU is so weak.
PS4/Durango spec sheets is propably full of theoretical numbers (gflops/tflops wise, etc...) wich, by far, wont be archived in real life, but hey... they look cool on paper
WiiU spec sheet may state numbers alot closer to the reality, wich undoubtly would be lower.
Same thing happened with xbox/ps2/gcn where the cube looked alot weaker when you compared the numbers. We all know this wasnt the case...
Something tells me that he isn't angry, but more perplexed.
(edit: and beaten by The Man himself..)
So in conclution: The same is happening then last gen and with WiiU we may have another Gamecube on our hands! (Read the entire post to understand this sentence correctly please!)
This is all speculation on my part, hence "speculation thread"
Whats sad is that people have short memories.
But whats worse is the state of journalism.
I will say this though.
I challenge the 360 and PS3 to handle any of the games coming out
on the WiiU with the extra screen on the controller at the same fidelity.
Or, I would like to see how well those consoles can handle the demos that we saw at E3.
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