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[CoconutTank]

Which is why I have said to find a way to offer their IP's in some form to iOS while keeping the full version on their own hardware. Give iOS folks an opportunity to experience the licenses and games and do so in a way that would create interest to experience the full version on Nintendo's hardware.

Pardon, but which products come to mind which have managed to make iOS/mobile gamers migrate to a new platform? Has the release of Chaos Rings has lead to higher adoption of FF games on the consoles? Are folks likely to try Gears of War or Unreal Tournament after playing Infinity Blade? If you could show that kind of transition working already then that'd be interesting.

On the other hand... it doesn't look like any other developer is doing anything similar to what you've suggested, which is to pretty much create a stripped down demo on iOS and direct gamers to other horizons. I wonder why is that? I imagine it's difficult to get iOS/mobile gamers to jump platforms, and particularly on this forum it seems that most iOS/mobile gamers tend to be very happy with what they get (and stay with it).

 

[Row]

hahahaha, seriously???

If the console is as weak as it's been speculated, even $200 is a bit much

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

If the console is as weak as it's been speculated, even $200 is a bit much

It should be 50$.

 

[ElFly]

But I do agree that it makes no sense to let the Wii languish with no support and not release a new console.

Particularly if the WiiU ends up being not completely bleeding edge, we could have the WiiU already.

 

[Diablos54]

What an 'intresting' thread. I seem to remember lots of these before the Wii/DS were released... If only I could remember what happened!

And iOS? Really?

 

[shinra-bansho]

I don't think the older quotes do anything to necessarily disprove this, despite it seeming outlandish, due to his comment that "the competitive position of the Wii U has deteriorated."

This suggests a recent turn of events. I'm curious what that comment relates to exactly though.

I can't see any reason that Activision won't put every game on every platform under the sun EXCEPT the possibility that they're the pusher behind "no used games" and Nintendo aren't complying.

 

[nincompoop]

It should be 50$.

They should pay you to own it. I can't believe Nintendo is releasing a home console in 2012 that has less power than the game.com

 

[Medalion]

It should be 50$.

You should pay us to play that piece of crap cuz it's not next-gen enough, barely even current-gen!

 

[JWong]

Not sticking to strictly wiimotes makes the WiiU less easy to differentiate, a low spec tablet controller seems like a massive mistake

for the wiiu not to be a failure I think they would need to:

- ditch the tablet
- ensure the system is atleast somewhat more powerful than the ps360
- change the name to wii 2
- emulate sony and ms by actually being supportive of 3rd parties
- $200 price point, max

and even then, this thing will never come close to putting up wii numbers, nintendo has really squandered the wii brand name

Should have listened to Pachter.

 

[Globox_82]

Deja vu. Same crap was being said about WiiU and 3ds

 

[Skiesofwonder]

3DS was predicted to be a success by almost everyone before it came out and has underperformed nearly everyone's expectations aside from Japan.

The 3DS is the fastest selling Nintendo console of all-time (worldwide). Not sure how that isn't a "success".

 

[Krev]

So if the only reasons this journalist would write this are

committing bear raids to devalue Nintendo stock
being paid off by Nintendo competitors
or Activision wants no part of WiiU because of EA involvement

You have a lot more faith in analysts than me. Dumb and misinformed statements from them are not new.

To be fair there hasn't been much of anything positive to say about Nintendo.

Iwata invited the president of EA, recently voted Americas most beloved company (or something like that) out on stage with them last year for a reason.
...
I'm going to lean towards it's the EA involvement until something shows otherwise.

How about common sense?
Do you really think that Nintendo wouldn't realize that such a move would put them out of the running for the biggest non-Nintendo published console game series around? Even though Iwata has gone on the record about how impressed he is by the CoD phenomenon? Even though he's noted how the Wii version doesn't sell as high due to the lack of HD, with the implication being that they want to get in on the CoD business this time around?
Also, do you really think that if Nintendo were using Origin for their online network we wouldn't know by now? Nintendo are incredibly good at keeping secrets locked down, but if they were collaborating that closely with a behemoth like EA the news would have leaked months ago.

 

[Valnen]

If the console is as weak as it's been speculated, even $200 is a bit much

Pretty much. It's quite bad for a next generation console to be less powerful than previous generation consoles. This would be like if the PS3 was weaker than a Gamecube. Nobody would want it.

 

[Row]

The tablet controller will make it much easier to differentiate in my opinion. I dont think that it will sell as well as Wii, i agree to that, but i think that we're looking at 50 million units worldwide at least. I dont think that it will hurt the brand much.

people are going to compare the wiiu tablet to the ipad, and that's a comparison that will never work in Nintendo favor

the wiimote is something entirely theirs and a major differentiation, throwing a tablet in the mix will just confuse people while taking away from what makes them stand out

 

[Row]

It should be 50$.

If they just want to breakeven, sure

 

[Hero_of_the_Day]

Haha, yeah the fuck right.

Activision will put Call of Duty on anything and everything. There are fucking DS versions for fucks sake, but we're to believe they won't put out WiiU versions? Bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

 

[Plinko]

Just curious because I haven't been keeping count:

Has anything recently said about the video game industry by an analyst actually come true?

By my recollection, they've been way off throughout the last generation.

 

[test_account]

people are going to compare the wiiu tablet to the ipad, and that's a comparison that will never work in Nintendo favor

the wiimote is something entirely theirs and a major differentiation, throwing a tablet in the mix will just confuse people while taking away from what makes them stand out

I think it depends on Nintendo present it through ads etc. The WiiU tablet controller is not a standalone device, it cant work alone like other tablets can. I think that Nintendo will focus on the interaction between the TV and the controller.

 

[Diablos54]

people are going to compare the wiiu tablet to the ipad, and that's a comparison that will never work in Nintendo favor

the wiimote is something entirely theirs and a major differentiation, throwing a tablet in the mix will just confuse people while taking away from what makes them stand out

What, the games? Cause I don't see that happening...

The 3DS is the fatest selling Nintendo console of all-time (worldwide). Not sure how that isn't a "success".

People seem to forget this. Especially during all '3DS is doomed' era. Hell, some of the posts in this thread make it out as if it bombed.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

If they just want to breakeven, sure

Really need to step up the trolling game.

The controller alone is probably more than that.

 

[DR2K]

As long as Nintendo supports it people will buy it.

 

[test_account]

Just curious because I haven't been keeping count:

Has anything recently said about the video game industry by an analyst actually come true?

By my recollection, they've been way off throughout the last generation.

Pachter about the Wii HD

 

[axisofweevils]

As I said above, the four screen content strategy is Mobile, Tablet, PC, and TV.

But surely that means Nintendo has a four screen content strategy too?
TV, Tablet, And the 3DS has two screens.

 

[Globox_82]

For as long Nintendo has Mr.Shinny Chin they are fine

 

[Medalion]

With all this bad press about Nintendo, their stocks must be going up again lol

 

[Derrick01]

Oh man even the japanese are spewing the ios bullshit too now. I'm sure Nintendo's just jumping at the chance to make less money on lesser machines.

I don't even like Nintendo and these people make me want to root for them >.<

 

[shinra-bansho]

Just curious because I haven't been keeping count:

Has anything recently said about the video game industry by an analyst actually come true?

By my recollection, they've been way off throughout the last generation.

Don't know if these statements are analogous to a prediction though.

They are made as if they're statement of the situation at hand from someone privy to private communication.

It may all be unsubstantiated nonsense though.

 

[slidewinder]

This thing needs a price cut ASAP!

 

[LJ11]

Are the mods trying to turn this board completely unreadable?

It's time to get thicker skin.

 

[Alexios]

I find it hard to believe Activision won't support it, even with COD specifically, considering even Wii and DS got COD games among other titles. Lol @ the iOS comments. Maybe their stock price would indeed rise, investors aren't always the brightest chaps, but I seriously doubt they'd be having better business, short or long term. No way could you get an SMG/MK/NSMB quality game if they had to target the $1-5 price point (nevermind the lack of physical inputs) and they'd never sell 10-50 times as much, if not more, in order to bring in similar revenue (well, better, for it to be worthwhile, not to mention a load more to cover hardware revenue and software royalties from 3rd parties). But hey, I guess they could just fire everyone and keep a 5 man intern team to make shoddy flash games and ports of their back catalogue, that would be pure profit based on the IP power alone, healthy & strong business!

 

[Cooter]

This thing needs a price cut ASAP!

Ok...this made me chuckle. Nicely done!

 

[donny2112]

We understand that Activision has no plans to support Wii U, which means the biggest selling title of Call of Duty will be missing;

Really interested to know where that is coming from. Would be as big a deal as EA avoiding Dreamcast. However, Activision has been one of the best "supporters" of Wii with multi-platform ports, so now that Nintendo has a system that doesn't require a whole separate team to port to, it doesn't make sense that the ports would suddenly dry up.

Again, really interested to know where he got that idea from...

 

[onQ123]

Nintendo is in the same position Sony was in right before the PS3 came out, when you are the top seller for so long people wait for your down fall so it becomes 'the thing' to make bad news for the one time top dog.

 

[speedpop]

Oh man even the japanese are spewing the ios bullshit too now.

Technically this is coming via a foreign analyst from the Japanese branch of the Macquarie Group.

 

[DefectiveReject]

I find it hard to believe Activision won't support it, even with COD specifically, considering even Wii and DS got COD games among other titles.

Lol @ the iOS comment. Maybe their stock price would indeed rise but I seriosuly doubt they'd be having better business. No way could you get an SMG or NSMB quality game if they had to target the $1-5 price point (nevermind the lack of physical inputs) as they'd never sell 25-50 times as many as those games if not more in order to bring in similar (well, better for it to be worthwhile) revenue.

If Nintendo went software only and only on iOS and Android every developer in that environment would shit bricks..... all Nintendos might making quick games. . . . Ain't ever gonna happen. I also expect Apple wouldn't want it to either. Imagine Google bought the exclusive rights to all games..........

 

[ClovingWestbrook]

This thing needs a price cut ASAP!

Lol. I laughed out loud for real.

 

[Shaheed79]

Spreading lies and rumours about a company with the sole aim of driving their stock price down is illegal.

Yet it is done quite often without repercussion. He hasn't really lied though. Activision may not have a launch game planned which technically would make it not a lie. Rules are bent all the time to achieve the required results.

 

[Krev]

Nintendo is in the same position Sony was in right before the PS3 came out, when you are the top seller for so long people wait for your down fall so it becomes 'the thing' to make bad news for the one time top dog.

There's some truth in that, although Nintendo are in a much more precarious position right now than Sony were in 2006. Sony had to go out of their way to screw things up with the PS3, but the Wii U strategy could easily go wrong in many ways.

 

[ScrabbleDude]

Do these analysts that predict Nintendo is doomed have stock portfolios of their own? If so, I'd like to know if they hold stock in any game developers or publishers.

 

[JWong]

Yet it is done quite often without repercussion.

About the same as American media spreading fear about the Japanese nuclear thing that caused so many people downing iodine tablets for no reason.

 

[CoconutTank]

Nintendo is in the same position Sony was in right before the PS3 came out, when you are the top seller for so long people wait for your down fall so it becomes 'the thing' to make bad news for the one time top dog.

Maybe I am not understanding correctly, but I remember most folks being very positive about the PS3 before that Sony conference, and even for a little while after. Stuff like $600, ridge racer, enemy crab and real time weapon change came from that conference. What kind of ill will for Sony started before then?

 

[Mandoric]

The market size for handhelds has shrunk considerably. Microsoft has kinect and the hardcore. Sony has the strong hardware and the hardcore as well. Nintendo did well with the wii and ds mostly due to the same market that is flocking to the iOS ecosystem en mass. The 3ds really showed this. It makes sense for them to tap into the iOS market first if any of the big 3 were to do it...

The appeal of going iOS is hitting mass market. The problem with Nintendo going iOS is that they already do that.

 

[speedpop]

If Nintendo went software only and only on iOS and Android every developer in that environment would shit bricks..... all Nintendos might making quick games. . . . Ain't ever gonna happen. I also expect Apple wouldn't want it to either. Imagine Google bought the exclusive rights to all games..........

It would certainly be an interesting situation if Nintendo were a 3rd party publisher. Publishers already complain about the Nintendo effect - would they feel the pinch if they had to compete on multiple arenas?

 

[donny2112]

We understand that, contrarily to previous rumors, the WiiU will not be capable of making coffee. We therefore suggest to sell all available stock immediately, lie down, and assume the party escort submission position to not miss the party.

:lol

Nintendo is in the same position Sony was in right before the PS3 came out, when you are the top seller for so long people wait for your down fall so it becomes 'the thing' to make bad news for the one time top dog.

Except the press was high on the hog for PS2. For Wii, most have been singing of its demise since Day 1 and just seem to be continuing the tune with Wii U. This would've been like if they were decrying the PS2 its whole life for holding back the superior Xbox or something.

 

[Krev]

It would certainly be an interesting situation if Nintendo were a 3rd party publisher. Publishers already complain about the Nintendo effect - would they feel the pinch if they had to compete on multiple arenas?

You'd probably see something similar to the CoD effect take place.

 

[QisTopTier]

Nintendo is in no way screwed. They have fucking smash brothers to get people to buy their consoles, and pokemon for the handhelds. You just cant touch those two things. Toss in a new mario or zelda game and yeah GG

 

[MontTrain]

They are in a tough spot. I doubt the casuals the made the Wii such a sales success will care about the Wii U as they only bought it for Wii Sports or something similar and haven't touched it in years and the hardcore gamer will wait for the new consoles unless they love Nintendo franchises.

 

[Anth0ny]

We understand that Activision has no plans to support Wii U, which means the biggest selling title of Call of Duty will be missing; Konami is also planning minimal support.

 

[thefro]

Pretty sure Pachter is more credible than this analyst.

The dude doesn't have any inside info just because he lives in Japan.

 

[JWong]

Nintendo is in no way screwed. They have fucking smash brothers to get people to buy their consoles, and pokemon for the handhelds. You just cant touch those two things. Toss in a new mario or zelda game and yeah GG

The Gamecube had all that.

Third party support is extremely vital to a console.