Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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krypt0nian said:
I'm still smh that people think those are bad movies.
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The first half of Captain America I thought was great, I really enjoyed it, all the way up until after the montage of Cap speaking to troops (which was also terrific imo). After that it went downhill and I don't remember much. The whole setting, time period stuff etc. all of that I really liked though, and also bought the relationship between Cap and the lady. I felt genuinely sad for him when he wakes up and realizes everything is gone including her.

Iron Man 2 was very weak but not terrible. They shouldn't have replaced War Machine, Downey was barely able to carry the film. I thought Rourke and Sam Rockwell were good it's just the way everything was executed. This film should've been dark imo and really make Stark into a piece of shit alcoholic who redeems himself. Instead it went jokey jokey YOU'RE RUNING MY PARTY LOLOL LET'S SUPER CGI FIGHT. Changing war machine completely killed the relationship between Tony and him also from the first film and reset everything. The first film had heart and was just all around very good in a world where Dark Knight raised the stakes for comic films.

Thor was absolutely dreadful, I could go on and on about it but it's not even worth the time, it was just bad. I feel bad that Natalie Portman had to be in this one when she's worth much more.
 
Angry Fork said:
There are probably lots of issues I didn't notice but the most glaring one was
not explaining how Hulk was able to control himself. I went on imdb and people tried to say there was a gradual change throughout the film but that's not true at all there was no gradual shift it just went from crazy hulk to controlled hulk. And it threw away the continuity from the last Hulk since at the end of that one Norton had control over it.
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Just because he can "summon" Hulk, doesn't mean he has complete control over the process and the Hulk can still come out even if Banner doesn't want it.
 
Angry Fork said:
Thor was absolutely dreadful, I could go on and on about it but it's not even worth the time, it was just bad. I feel bad that Natalie Portman had to be in this one when she's worth much more.
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Different strokes then because Thor is probably my fav of the Avenger flicks.

Film also has the best musical score of 'em all.
 
Uncle said:
Just because he can "summon" Hulk, doesn't mean he has complete control over the process and the Hulk can still come out even if Banner doesn't want it.
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Yea I just felt they could've explained it better, or made an effort to have a gradual shift throughout the film rather than make the audience guess/assume things.
 
'Avengers' Scores Highest Superhero Midnight Opening Ever

It doesn't compare to the incredible midnight debuts of the last few Harry Potter and Twilight movies, but The Avengers still registered a pretty remarkable $18.7 million at midnight. That's the eighth-highest midnight opening ever, and it edges out The Dark Knight ($18.5 million) for best superhero midnight debut in history.

While the first weekend of May has historically been a great time to open tentpole comic book adaptations, high school and college students are still in class and don't tend to turn out in huge numbers at midnight. Prior to The Avengers, the best tally for a Summer kick-off title was Spider-Man 3 at $10 million, and Iron Man 2 only earned $7.5 million in its midnight debut (that's also the previous best tally for an Avengers movie).

If The Avengers follows the pace of Spider-Man 3, it would wind up with an opening weekend over $280 million. The Iron Man 2 pace translates to a $320 million debut. Those are both outrageous figures, though, and it's hard to imagine that theaters are even capable of handling that sort of demand. It's more reasonable to expect The Avengers to perform in line with The Dark Knight and get to at least $160 million for the weekend.

On a related note, The Avengers passed $300 million overseas yesterday (its ninth day in theaters). With Russia and China opening with the U.S. this weekend, it's entirely possible that The Avengers's worldwide (domestic plus foreign) total approaches $600 million by Sunday.
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Yes, at least 160M. People calling 175M pipe dream from the midnight numbers as usual dont know squat.

About 600M WW by Sunday is terrific. Only needs 200M more from domestic and foreign which looks easy now to hit 1B.
 
I saw this yesterday.

Pretty fun experience. It has a pretty bland start, but the third act really comes together and indeed going to give many comic nerds exactly what they need.

By far the best performance was by Ruffalo as Banner, and the best surprise was Hulk in general. My least liked Marvel character.

Whedon did a good job (is this his first feature length film?) and the action cinematography was quite good. I'd say it is not as good as the original Iron Man, but better than IM2 and Thor (I have no interest to watch Incredible Hulk and Capn America).

8/10. Good summer fun.
 
Angry Fork said:
Just saw this. I thought it was going to be bad since the rest of the recent Marvel films were but it was better than I expected. I went mainly for Hulk because I'm a big fan and didn't care much about the rest. It's funny it felt like there was more Hulk rage in this than in the last one with Norton. I really hope they give him his own film again after this and go all out.

There are probably lots of issues I didn't notice but the most glaring one was
not explaining how Hulk was able to control himself. I went on imdb and people tried to say there was a gradual change throughout the film but that's not true at all there was no gradual shift it just went from crazy hulk to controlled hulk. And it threw away the continuity from the last Hulk since at the end of that one Norton had control over it.
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This is actually fully explained, just not spelled out (and I'm really glad for that, actually). Pai Pai nailed it on the head.
Weenerz said:
I thought we were going with
Banner is in control if he starts the change on his own, but if his anger takes over because of some outside source, he doesn't have control
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This is accurate. Pai Pai's explanation fleshes it out a little more.

DrForester said:
Reboot Xmen and introduce them and you can just add in as many mutants as you want.
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The X-Men abstained from the Civil War.

I was also a bit angry that they gave away one of the best moments in the commercial (when Hulk catches Iron Man). If I hadn't seen this in the commercial it would've been much more rewarding on screen.
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I truly, truly hate when the do that too.
 
dmshaposv said:
I saw this yesterday.

Pretty fun experience. It has a pretty bland start, but the third act really comes together and indeed going to give many comic nerds exactly what they need.

By far the best performance was by Ruffalo as Banner, and the best surprise was Hulk in general. My least liked Marvel character.

Whedon did a good job (is this his first feature length film?) and the action cinematography was quite good. I'd say it is not as good as the original Iron Man, but better than IM2 and Thor (I have no interest to watch Incredible Hulk and Capn America).

8/10. Good summer fun.
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Whedon did Serenity
 
The Avengers was ok. It certainly wasn't anything amazing it terms of action. The end fight was your typical bloated CG battle I've seen in a dozen films already. But it was the character interactions and witty banter that kept me interested.
 
Angry Fork said:
The first half of Captain America I thought was great, I really enjoyed it, all the way up until after the montage of Cap speaking to troops (which was also terrific imo). After that it went downhill and I don't remember much. The whole setting, time period stuff etc. all of that I really liked though, and also bought the relationship between Cap and the lady. I felt genuinely sad for him when he wakes up and realizes everything is gone including her.

Iron Man 2 was very weak but not terrible. They shouldn't have replaced War Machine, Downey was barely able to carry the film. I thought Rourke and Sam Rockwell were good it's just the way everything was executed. This film should've been dark imo and really make Stark into a piece of shit alcoholic who redeems himself. Instead it went jokey jokey YOU'RE RUNING MY PARTY LOLOL LET'S SUPER CGI FIGHT. Changing war machine completely killed the relationship between Tony and him also from the first film and reset everything. The first film had heart and was just all around very good in a world where Dark Knight raised the stakes for comic films.

Thor was absolutely dreadful, I could go on and on about it but it's not even worth the time, it was just bad. I feel bad that Natalie Portman had to be in this one when she's worth much more.
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Have to Disagree on all fronts except for Cap. Just rewatched all the movies yesterday, and Iron Man 2 kept us glued to our seats just like it did in the theater. The only weak point is the huge break between fighting the drones and the short fight with Whiplash, it makes whiplash seem a bit anti-climactic when if you take a wholistic approach to the 'final battle' it's insanely long and epic. Yeah, Cheadle makes a poor war machine but otherwise the story is good and the dialogue is flawless. Give it 2-3 more minutes of them fighting Whiplash and I think it's just as good as the first movie.

Thor? Thor suffers the exact same problem (Destroyer one punch KO is totally unsatisfying). Aside from that it's completely epic. It has great dialogue and a solid premise.
 
Angry Fork said:
Yea I just felt they could've explained it better, or made an effort to have a gradual shift throughout the film rather than make the audience guess/assume things.
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I can understand that complaint especially if you're going in blind, but
a) It's pretty clear if you've seen The Incredible Hulk
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b) There's a nice subtext with
Stark and Banner having a connection and Tony being the one of the Avengers to have the faith that Banner can do what needs to be done when the time comes. If they'd included a line like "when I bring it out myself, I can control it" I feel like it would have weakened this interpersonal subplot.

Shocked anyone would describe this as not as good as the original Iron Man. I believe no matter what order you put the original Marvel films in themselves, there's a huge gulf between them and this one.
 
TheYanger said:
Have to Disagree on all fronts except for Cap. Just rewatched all the movies yesterday, and Iron Man 2 kept us glued to our seats just like it did in the theater. The only weak point is the huge break between fighting the drones and the short fight with Whiplash, it makes whiplash seem a bit anti-climactic when if you take a wholistic approach to the 'final battle' it's insanely long and epic. Yeah, Cheadle makes a poor war machine but otherwise the story is good and the dialogue is flawless. Give it 2-3 more minutes of them fighting Whiplash and I think it's just as good as the first movie.

Thor? Thor suffers the exact same problem (Destroyer one punch KO is totally unsatisfying). Aside from that it's completely epic. It has great dialogue and a solid premise.
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I concur-Thor is awesome.
 
Angry Fork said:
Yea I just felt they could've explained it better, or made an effort to have a gradual shift throughout the film rather than make the audience guess/assume things.
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I'm glad it wasn't spelled out myself, sure it was subtle but also pretty obvious if you paid close enough attention. All the back and forth about "what's the secret" and all in terms of Banner keeping it in control for the most part.
 
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
 
This week on BLH, we have a rather heated discussion about whether or not Batman could take on the Avengers. I wasn't here for this (improv class) but it's a damn good listen. Unfortunately, they used Nolan's awful Batman as the source…

and he IS awful. Have a listen (warning: bitter tears below)



The BLH Broadcast Ep: 17

Figure this would be nice for Avengers friday... 4 more hours...
 
Solo said:
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
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The definitive list, people.
 
Solo said:
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
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I never expected this.
 
Solo said:
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
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I knew you'd end up loving it. ;)
 
Guys

Just think about it

We saw a movie with Hulk, Thor, Captain America AND Iron Man

All at the same time.

And it worked.

wow
 
Solo said:
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
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Welcome back into the fold, Solo! We've missed you. :D
 
Weenerz said:
So Whedon is 2/2 in awesome movies?
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I couldn't get into Serenity or Firefly at all so he is 1/2 for me but it's so good I count it as his 1/1.

They should have had Hulk still be a uncontrollable rage machine where the Avengers were just baiting him into fighting everyone around him. The whole fight he is a danger to everything but then when Iron Man is falling to earth he shows a measure of control by saving him.

Much better.
 
Sentry said:
Holy shit this thread blew up overnight. :lol Glad everyone liked it, funny how just a month or so ago everyone was expecting this to be on the levels of IM2, Thor and CA, if not worse. :lol
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Thor is a pretty good movie though

but it seems GAF thinks otherwise
 
Dead said:
Guys

Just think about it

We saw a movie with Hulk, Thor, Captain America AND Iron Man

All at the same time.

And it worked.

wow
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It is a little surreal. This sentiment has been echoed by more than one person in this thread already, but this is a movie I was talking about with my friends on the jungle gym in 3rd grade, when the prospect of even one of the characters appearing on the big screen was a joke. It's not a movie sort of like what we wanted to see, it is that movie. A triumph.
 
I am partial to hero's being the master of their own universe kinda-thing, therefore still prefer Iron Man over The Avengers (plus RDJ's charisma, and the dialogues were snappy as hell).

However, I do agree Avengers is possibly the second best Marvel Studios film (Spiderman 2 is still the best Marvel movie to date).

P.S. If this is the second film directed by Whedon then kudos to the man! not easy pulling off such a large scale project.
 
Just got back from the movie, loved all the interactions between the heroes and the last third was pure badassery. Just wished that the aliens characters and motivations were explained a bit better but that can be remedied in avengers 2.
 
One thing I was disappointed with that they mentioned once then forgot about:
when Ironman and Thor are fighting in the forest, Ironman's power output gets boosted 400% when Thor hits him with lightning. I was expecting them to do that again in the final battle but it never happened.
 
The way Hulk transforms is fairly easy to understand, it's not a complicated thing and I think the end TIH threw people off a bit at how it works. Just because he can trigger it doesn't mean he can control it. Not 1:1.
 
BruceLeeRoy said:
They should have had Hulk still be a uncontrollable rage machine where the Avengers were just baiting him into fighting everyone around him. The whole fight he is a danger to everything but then when Iron Man is falling to earth he shows a measure of control by saving him.

Much better.
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Ultimates style?
Hey Hulk! Those guys on the spacemopeds said that you like boys.
 
Solo said:
I just got in from the movie and have to turn right round and go back out for a few hours, but I just had to comment on The Avengers first.

My god, these are strange days. How in the fuck did Joss fucking Whedon of all people write and direct a movie that is so, soooooooooooo much better than the first 5 movies? It was like, completely amazing. The dialogue, character banter/interaction and the chemistry between the actors was absolutely fantastic and a joy to watch from start to finish. Without a doubt it carried the film. Hulk absolutely stole the movie, but every character had a bevy of great scenes and "fuck yeah!" moments, and it all felt so natural to me. It was fucking hilarious too, perhaps the funniest superhero movie ever. The crowd was absolutely howling at a few key moments. On top of that, Whedon actually did an absolutely incredible job of conceiving and directing the action sequences, of which there were several standout ones. Throw in some incredible CG work and breathless pacing, and I was a very happy camper.

Better than the previous 5 movies combined and the first great movie out of Marvel Studios.

Spider-Man 2 > Batman Begins > The Avengers > The Dark Knight > the rest
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Hasardeur said:
Thor is a pretty good movie though

but it seems GAF thinks otherwise
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Often when it seems like GAF hates something, if you start looking closely, it is just the same 5-10 people who feel the need to trumpet their opinion over and over again in every related thread. Not saying that is the case for Thor, but it is definitely the case for a lot of game discussions on the Gaming side.
 
RyanardoDaVinci said:
One thing I was disappointed with that they mentioned once then forgot about:
when Ironman and Thor are fighting in the forest, Ironman's power output gets boosted 400% when Thor hits him with lightning. I was expecting them to do that again in the final battle but it never happened.
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That did seem like a Chekov's Gun kind of thing. Maybe a deleted scene.
 
Dead said:
Guys

Just think about it

We saw a movie with Hulk, Thor, Captain America AND Iron Man

All at the same time.

And it worked.

wow
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Yeah, I'm still amazed that Marvel actually pulled this off. And not only pulled it off, but pulled it off WELL. They deserve all the money they make. I may actually see this a few times in the theater, and gladly at that.
 
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