That was really great, what he said about Spiderman's effect shots is just how I feel. People praise the action in SM2 but I just feel a disconnect due to the awful digital doubles and overall CGI and more importantly the incredibly unrealistic camera movements.
Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]
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That was really great, what he said about Spiderman's effect shots is just how I feel. People praise the action in SM2 but I just feel a disconnect due to the awful digital doubles and overall CGI and more importantly the incredibly unrealistic camera movements.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Have you seen Kiss Kiss Bang Bang?
Nope. I should probably watch it at some point, but even then it's only one movie. I don't mean to shit on the guy or anything, just that he isn't exactly prolific as a director. If Marvel has confidence in giving him a big tent pole project, more power to him though. Hopefully everyone benefits in the end.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yeah, you should check it out. It's a very impressive directorial debut. The man knows what he's doing. He single-handedly jump-started RDJ's career with that movie.
i just hope he continues to work with ilm. they did some amazing work on iron man 1+2 and the avengers. maybe xia knows more?
UnlovedJew
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Wow. That was the very epitome of summer blockbuster. And I've never read the comics and only thought that the previous Marvel movies were decent with the exclusion of Iron Man. Can't even think of any real nitpicks right now.
I'd rank them as follows: The Avengers>>>>>>>Iron Man>Captain America>Iron Man 2> The Incredible Hulk> Thor
May even re-watch the other Marvel movies just to see if I appreciate them better.
Whedon knocked it out of the world with this one.
I'd rank them as follows: The Avengers>>>>>>>Iron Man>Captain America>Iron Man 2> The Incredible Hulk> Thor
May even re-watch the other Marvel movies just to see if I appreciate them better.
Whedon knocked it out of the world with this one.
the_log_ride
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For the people who've seen it, when does the extra scene happen? Before mid or after credits? Just one scene, right?
Two. One briefly into the credits (after the 'effects-y' main cast and crew stuff), the second at the end. Second one is not a big deal. first one is the money shot.
friskykillface
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so no chance of
i still say in movies like Iron Man 3, thor 2 and etc that some of the avengers will pop up to help, hell didn't the actor that plays hulk
red skull being in any avenger movies? they will save him for a captain sequel?
i still say in movies like Iron Man 3, thor 2 and etc that some of the avengers will pop up to help, hell didn't the actor that plays hulk
sign for 6 movies :O
Razgriz-Specter
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Mid credits and another at the very end.
SCULLIBUNDO
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That would be awful. Keep the other guys out of the standalone movies, please.
the_log_ride
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Thank you, sir! Gonna see this in 3 hours! /happy dance
Dog Problems
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I figured he'd be the villain in the sequel but I'm much happier with who is going to be instead. :-D
you will have a great time. the crowd will (hopefully) go nuts at two specific scenes...
Razgriz-Specter
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more than that lolyou will have a great time. the crowd will (hopefully) go nuts at two specific scenes...
Joe Shlabotnik
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It's almost impossible not to get into it.
I don't want to go overboard too much--ultimately it's a (very good) comic book movie, and there isn't much to delve into about it, thematically or otherwise. But it's over two hours long and I was still disappointed that it ended.
Then you sir are a gentleman and a scholar!
RealDeadOne
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One thing that irked me was no mention of War Machine at all.
I figure what with the World Council dudes being kind of semi-evil, Avengers 2 or 3 or something will have them establishing some kind of Thunderbolts team to control the Avengers, consisting of War Machine and Blonsky and some other guys.
Good Job Bob
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War Machine sucks in the Marvel Cinematic Universe anyways.
Fucking right I am.
Several people dressed up so it should be a fun experience. I cant wait to see the BO thread Sunday.
Thanks for linking this. Really insightful. I completely agree with him.
I didn't even think of that... but yeah, that is kind of weird.
the second movie should focus on hulk (maybe as the "villain") and the other guys trying to stop him. i really hope they dont add more characters, they have more than enough already.
DrForester
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As someone who doesn't read comics much, I have one question.
From the perspective of The Avengers ( I understand SHIELD does it's own thing too), is Nick Fury as useless as he was in the film? After being teased with this character for years, I was expecting... something. And it never happened. He had a few little shoot outs, but no real action sequence, and in the end, didn't really do anything.
From the perspective of The Avengers ( I understand SHIELD does it's own thing too), is Nick Fury as useless as he was in the film? After being teased with this character for years, I was expecting... something. And it never happened. He had a few little shoot outs, but no real action sequence, and in the end, didn't really do anything.
Just watched this today and was completely blown away.
Movie started off slow and I wasn't digging some of the one-liners, but a lot of it was pretty enjoyable. Once the action kicked in -- man, totally engaged. HULK SMASH.
I'm surprised at how well balanced all of the characters are. In particular, I'm pretty damned pleased with how
Definitely want to watch it again, but the childhood fan in me is elated over finally getting to see a string of movies doing these characters service.
Movie started off slow and I wasn't digging some of the one-liners, but a lot of it was pretty enjoyable. Once the action kicked in -- man, totally engaged. HULK SMASH.
I'm surprised at how well balanced all of the characters are. In particular, I'm pretty damned pleased with how
they handled Hulk. Hulk doesn't give two shits about monologues, so when he man-handled Loki, I was totally smitten.
Then how they handled Black Widow -- have to totally give them credit for not playing up any aspect of her sex, other than the beginning where she states "You think I'm pretty?," they otherwise handle her like all the others, someone who can take care of herself and avoid fan-service shots of her body. Even in her body language, she didn't do any ridiculous cat walks or sway her hips over dramatically for attention.
I've always been iffy about Thor and Captain America was no different. They didn't detract too much from the movie, but at least were integrated well when the battle erupted.
It was nice that they addressed the inevitable Hawkeye criticism of "does he never run out of arrows?"
Then how they handled Black Widow -- have to totally give them credit for not playing up any aspect of her sex, other than the beginning where she states "You think I'm pretty?," they otherwise handle her like all the others, someone who can take care of herself and avoid fan-service shots of her body. Even in her body language, she didn't do any ridiculous cat walks or sway her hips over dramatically for attention.
I've always been iffy about Thor and Captain America was no different. They didn't detract too much from the movie, but at least were integrated well when the battle erupted.
It was nice that they addressed the inevitable Hawkeye criticism of "does he never run out of arrows?"
Definitely want to watch it again, but the childhood fan in me is elated over finally getting to see a string of movies doing these characters service.
Dog Problems
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It's been a long time since I've read the comics he was in, but I remember him being very similar to the Punisher in terms of ability.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Well, he's 63 years old, rather tubby these days and specifically asked not to have to run a lot.
http://www.vulture.com/2012/04/dont-make-samuel-l-jackson-run-ever.html
So they were kind of limited.
Ah, damn. I knew there was something at the end, but not two things. What was the second one I missed after the
Thanos reveal
RealDeadOne
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I think that by Avengers 2 they'll have dropped some characters.
I personally hope that Tony Stark dies in either Iron Man 3 or as part of Avengers 2. I think RDJ's contract is almost up, this would be a good way to close off his story and set up to replace the actor without forcing it. If it was in Avengers 2 this could also be some way to hype up the villain of that movie or
Thanos for Avengers 3
I also bet either Hawkeye, Widow or both will be cut, and by then we'll be ready for Ant-Man Black Panther. By Avengers 3 Thor and Cap will have three movies so one or both could be dropped or relegated to cameos, so we can have Vision and some other dudes.
Kai Dracon
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Saw it earlier today. Walked away happy, and I'm convinced that Marvel has the correct method to translate western super heroes like this into live action. It's pretty much nailed at this point. Perfect balance of the surreal, the hyperreal, and the grounded.
I'm jumbled right now so just a few random comments:
The Helicarrier and absolutely everything involving it was brilliant.
Hawkeye is absurdly competent in every single scene. As in, the man is the ultimate professional, with nerve endings woven of pure steel. I don't get some reviews that said he had no presence in the film. He's all over the fucking place, and scenes tend to revolve around him when he steps in to start sniping some bitches.
Loki is used incredibly well IMO, and he is played pitch perfect. He establishes himself as a deadly threat from the moment he arrives on Earth. And yes...
I believe Whedon's strong point of playing many characters off one another was used to maximum effect here. Several scenes are practically set up to be a playground for that.
If I had to throw out critiques this early, I'd finger what is really the biggest one, related to the central conflict of the plot:
I'm jumbled right now so just a few random comments:
The Helicarrier and absolutely everything involving it was brilliant.
The "siege" of the carrier was incredibly well done, and sure as hell fully involved all the players to their maximum potential. Well, okay, except Thor, who picked up the idiot ball.
Hawkeye is absurdly competent in every single scene. As in, the man is the ultimate professional, with nerve endings woven of pure steel. I don't get some reviews that said he had no presence in the film. He's all over the fucking place, and scenes tend to revolve around him when he steps in to start sniping some bitches.
Either as friend or foe.
Loki is used incredibly well IMO, and he is played pitch perfect. He establishes himself as a deadly threat from the moment he arrives on Earth. And yes...
PUNY GOD was the catharsis of the forever.
I believe Whedon's strong point of playing many characters off one another was used to maximum effect here. Several scenes are practically set up to be a playground for that.
If I had to throw out critiques this early, I'd finger what is really the biggest one, related to the central conflict of the plot:
Cosmic Cube as macguffin comes off weak if this film is taken alone, and causes the first act to wander, without the proper sense of foreboding.
You really have to have seen Captain America to begin to feel there's any weight behind the cube, and even then, the origins and true powers of the cube have never been explained. It's basically an excuse for everybody to make power grabs. Not the best thing to pin two movies in a row on.
I think a better device would have been to have just ONE of the Infinity Gems lost on Earth, with more exposition about why it's a harbinger of doom - that there's even more of them, and things are going to escalate in the future.
You really have to have seen Captain America to begin to feel there's any weight behind the cube, and even then, the origins and true powers of the cube have never been explained. It's basically an excuse for everybody to make power grabs. Not the best thing to pin two movies in a row on.
I think a better device would have been to have just ONE of the Infinity Gems lost on Earth, with more exposition about why it's a harbinger of doom - that there's even more of them, and things are going to escalate in the future.
Razgriz-Specter
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them all eating in the destroyed restaurant Tony was talking about earlier in the movie
DrForester
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Cosmic Cube was odd because I kept expecting (especial after those troop transport monsters came though) Optimus Prime and Megatron show up and demand the All-Spark back.
DrForester
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Because it's what you expect when you bring in Samuel L. Jackson. I felt like I got Mace Windued all over again.
Dog Problems
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I see. I'm not familiar with Ultimate versions of characters and still have all these older ideas in my mind. I'm really, really, out of the loop.
friskykillface
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I thought Loki was going to be a horrible villain for the movie but he was really good, so i ate that crow. B^) Loki
soundscream
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In terms of the movie he really wouldn't be able to do anything and have it he believable. Widow and Hawkeye are young and in their prime, allowing you somewhat accept that they are not completely out of place. His job is to be the man behind the scenes pushing them to reach their potential
Captain America trading cards scene
But he did do something that was completely a lol wtf moment.
Jumping out of the helicopter while its crashing without breaking a sweat
SerArthurDayne
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Caught an early afternoon showing. Really enjoyed it. I wasn't even excited about it, because as of a few weeks ago (before reviews broke), I fully expected it to be a disaster. An entertaining one, but a disaster.
Hulk was great.
Thor was probably the weak link in my opinion. Hemsworth was consistent with his previous rendition, which is to say not great in the acting department.
Cap felt underutilized until the very end.
Iron Man was solid.
Black Widow doesn't really fit, but she is so ingrained into the movie mythology that it was fine.
Hawkeye was pretty good, if unnecessary.
Loki was very good.
Only part I didn't care for was
Hulk was great.
Thor was probably the weak link in my opinion. Hemsworth was consistent with his previous rendition, which is to say not great in the acting department.
Cap felt underutilized until the very end.
Iron Man was solid.
Black Widow doesn't really fit, but she is so ingrained into the movie mythology that it was fine.
Hawkeye was pretty good, if unnecessary.
Loki was very good.
Only part I didn't care for was
Scarjo flying around New York for five minutes. It really just felt like they needed to giver her something to do, and her skillset didn't really work. A bit too cheese in a movie that balanced everything else well for a very "comic book" movie.
For sure. I was underwhelmed after Thor, but he was really well utilized this time.
ratcliffja
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Ironically, I think CotBP was the worst of the 3 but for the same reason. I think the first movie was nothing but an excuse to show off Johnny Depp, while the other movies actually had some sense of a plot.
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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Seeing it at 915 and it's actually being shown on FILM! Neat thing is its the countries oldest theater apparently.
If not sold out tickets go on sale at 9.
If not sold out tickets go on sale at 9.
I dunno
A lot of it was pretty "cheese", like iron man spinning in the rotor reminded me of superman spinning around the world, only that iron man is human and his brain should have turned to mush D:
Then theres the fact that nobody dies, hell they even go to an effort to show everyone evacuating and ejecting safely, which to me kind of made it feel more like a videogame movie, where theyre all just battling in an arena and since we know that they wont kill off any of the main franchise characters, theres no sense of danger.
Then theres the fact that nobody dies, hell they even go to an effort to show everyone evacuating and ejecting safely, which to me kind of made it feel more like a videogame movie, where theyre all just battling in an arena and since we know that they wont kill off any of the main franchise characters, theres no sense of danger.
I didn't think it was. The 3D is rarely really used. I can remember only 1 shot that benefited from it. But I was closer to the screen than I would have liked (I got there a little late).
Manos: The Hans of Fate
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I was too, but (Non IMAX 3D) I doubt it would change my thought that its not worth it.
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