Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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They should just skip the character-specific movies outside of Iron Man and just do Avengers movies.

I still want a Thor 2 since he is the only avenger that can go to the other realms rather easy .
Won't care if most of the movie was some place other than earth .
 
It seems they are basing it on the extremis story line, which is pretty well regarded.

Extremis doesn't take place in a foreign country, it's not really the big event crisis they claim that IM3 will be, and there isn't really a notable actual "villain" in the story arc. So whatever inspirations they take from Extremis, the movie itself is going to be really different because it's set partly in China, and Ben Kingsley isn't going to be cast to play a nobody character.

Since no one here can honestly say they know what the story will be or have any inside information about the shooting script to form a judgement, I would say that it's way too early to remotely conclude that there will be a really good story. I'm sure we all hope that it's great, but I don't see why anyone would make that conclusion now. We know nothing.
 
Extremis doesn't take place in a foreign country, it's not really the big event crisis they claim that IM3 will be, and there isn't really a notable actual "villain" in the story arc. So whatever inspirations they take from Extremis, the movie itself is going to be really different because it's set partly in China, and Ben Kingsley isn't going to be cast to play a nobody character.

Since no one here can honestly say they know what the story will be or have any inside information about the shooting script to form a judgement, I would say that it's way too early to remotely conclude that there will be a really good story. I'm sure we all hope that it's great, but I don't see why anyone would make that conclusion now. We know nothing.

I was only responding to your question of "based on what" I agree that it is way too early to assume anything other than the Extremis story will be used in some fashion. It has been awhile since I read that arc, so I dont remember much other than people seemed to like it.
 
Extremis doesn't take place in a foreign country, it's not really the big event crisis they claim that IM3 will be, and there isn't really a notable actual "villain" in the story arc. So whatever inspirations they take from Extremis, the movie itself is going to be really different because it's set partly in China, and Ben Kingsley isn't going to be cast to play a nobody character.

Since no one here can honestly say they know what the story will be or have any inside information about the shooting script to form a judgement, I would say that it's way too early to remotely conclude that there will be a really good story. I'm sure we all hope that it's great, but I don't see why anyone would make that conclusion now. We know nothing.

I don't think the story has been confirmed at all.

It will be great because Shane Black is writing the motherfucker.
 
I was only responding to your question of "based on what" I agree that it is way too early to assume anything other than the Extremis story will be used in some fashion. It has been awhile since I read that arc, so I dont remember much other than people seemed to like it.

Extremis is a good base, but they're going to need a lot more to build a big Summer blockbuster around it. I'm personally hoping/thinking they'll add elements of Stark Resilient into it too, due to all the stuff about clean energy that's been building up across the movies.
 
Yeah, the Avengers is all the evidence needed to show that Hulk should ALWAYS be used in a supporting role, and NEVER to carry a movie. He is so awesome in Avengers simply because you get such a limited dose.

He's like Jack Sparrow; CotBP was great because he was used just enough. DMC and AWE were trash in large part because they made Sparrow the focus instead of having him add flavour to the periphery.
 
Captain America is the best Marvel movie, yet you hated it. Thor was decent, but nowhere near as good. I'm pretty sure you enjoyed Avatar too, despite it being a terrible movie. I've found that at least 75% of the time, my opinion of movies is the opposite of yours. That goes even more so for Sculli. Therefore, if you enjoyed the movie this much, I'm inclined to believe that it's very unlikely that I'll enjoy it all that much. Honestly, I'll probably go see it anyway since I've been anticipating it for so long. I guess we'll see.

Edit: Also, Spider-Man 2 is decent but nothing memorable. For me, Captain America > Iron Man > X-2 > X-Men > Thor > Spider-Man > Spider-Man 2 > Hulk (Ang Lee) > Daredevil > Iron Man 2 > Spider-Man 3 > The Incredible Hulk of the Marvel movies that I've seen.

You good sir are a huge fan of mediocrity.
 
I don't think the story has been confirmed at all.

It will be great because Shane Black is writing the motherfucker.

So you really like the Lethal Weapon series huh. Maybe I should do a rewatch, the only one that gets any air time these days is #4. :P
 
So you really like the Lethal Weapon series huh. Maybe I should do a rewatch, the only one that gets any air time these days is #4. :P

FYI, Black only wrote the script for the first LW and the story for the second. He wrote a never-seen script of LW5 as well.

The guy also wrote Kiss Kiss, Last Action Hero, Long Kiss Goodnight and a bunch of other stuff. His script for Lethal Weapon is absolute dynamite. If you ever get the chance to read it, do so.
 
Really, still can't believe how they nailed Hulk. I wonder how soon until Marvel/Disney fast-track another Hulk movie based on his reception here.

They really shouldn't. Hulk and The Incredible Hulk didn't fail because of the talent involved. They failed because the Hulk character is not strong enough to carry a movie.

Hulk should be used sparingly and awesome-ly. No Hulk again until Avengers 2, thank you very much Marvel.
 
Holy fuck, the AMC Empire 25 in NYC is packed. Even the ticket preorder kiosks have huge lines. This shit gon be cray.
 
Yeah, the Avengers is all the evidence needed to show that Hulk should ALWAYS be used in a supporting role, and NEVER to carry a movie. He is so awesome in Avengers simply because you get such a limited dose.

He's like Jack Sparrow; CotBP was great because he was used just enough. DMC and AWE were trash in large part because they made Sparrow the focus instead of having him add flavour to the periphery.

Well, I'm not sure I completely agree with that. I'll admit that him being in a support role definitely makes it easier to do the character well because you don't have to worry about trying to make the audience care about just Bruce Banner and his Hulk troubles for the entire runtime, but at the same time I think Avengers nailed something the last two Hulk movies failed to - Hulk got to do a TON OF CRAZY FUN SHIT. The audience loves that shit. There's humor, there's horror, there's one on one fights, there's one on everything rampages, etc. It's really like a kickass CG cartoon.

If they can make a Hulk stand alone movie with that level of energy and fun, I think it could work. If they want to make another dramatic story about Banner on the run and struggling to "control" the Hulk before rampaging through a city fighting a monster who looks like him in the finale, then yeah I agree that it'll never work.

tl;dr: PLANET HULK would work.
 
FYI, Black only wrote the script for the first LW and the story for the second. He wrote a never-seen script of LW5 as well.

The guy also wrote Kiss Kiss, Last Action Hero, Long Kiss Goodnight and a bunch of other stuff. His script for Lethal Weapon is absolute dynamite. If you ever get the chance to read it, do so.

Kiss Kiss and Long Kiss make him a god of talent as far as I am concerned.
I think it could be argued that Kiss Kiss saved Downeys career and was the best Val Kilmer movie since Salton Sea.

Well, I'm not sure I completely agree with that. I'll admit that him being in a support role definitely makes it easier to do the character well because you don't have to worry about trying to make the audience care about just Bruce Banner and his Hulk troubles for the entire runtime, but at the same time I think Avengers nailed something the last two Hulk movies failed to - Hulk got to do a TON OF CRAZY FUN SHIT. The audience loves that shit. There's humor, there's horror, there's one on one fights, there's one on everything rampages, etc. It's really like a kickass CG cartoon.

If they can make a Hulk stand alone movie with that level of energy and fun, I think it could work. If they want to make another dramatic story about Banner on the run and struggling to "control" the Hulk before rampaging through a city fighting a monster who looks like him in the finale, then yeah I agree that it'll never work.

tl;dr: PLANET HULK would work.

The idea of Red Hulk or Planet Hulk being a standalone hulk movie is the most exciting thing I can possibly imagine.
 
They really shouldn't. Hulk and The Incredible Hulk didn't fail because of the talent involved. They failed because the Hulk character is not strong enough to carry a movie.

Hulk should be used sparingly and awesome-ly. No Hulk again until Avengers 2, thank you very much Marvel.

Ruffalo's signed on for 6 movies. The Hulk is getting universally praised in all reviews. He's very marketable, with a large history to draw from.

Regardless of how the movie will turn out, it's going to happen.
 
You know, it would be hard for me to pick my favorite shot in the film. There are so goddamn many great ones. In a Joss Whedon film.

This is not the world I know.
 
Love how Black straight up shat on Captain America in that interview Sculli linked. IM3 is going to be one of the best superhero movies ever made.
 
Ruffalo's signed on for 6 movies. The Hulk is getting universally praised in all reviews. He's very marketable, with a large history to draw from.

Regardless of how the movie will turn out, it's going to happen.

6 movies? Whut? I guess this means they're gonna stick him in all the Marvel movies.
 
Love how Black straight up shat on Captain America in that interview Sculli linked. IM3 is going to be one of the best superhero movies ever made.

That's not good news for me. Captain America is fantastic, and if the man has no respect for it, it doesn't sound like he has a lot of respect for being faithful with Marvel properties. Hopefully if he tries anything funny, Marvel Studios will put him in his place, or remove him.
 
Ruffalo's signed on for 6 movies. The Hulk is getting universally praised in all reviews. He's very marketable, with a large history to draw from.

Regardless of how the movie will turn out, it's going to happen.

Still doesn't necessarily mean he will get a standalone.

Just making shit up here, but:

- Film 1: Avengers
- Film 2: Iron Man 3
- Film 3: Thor 2
- Film 4: Avengers 2
- Film 5: Ant Man
- Film 6: Avengers 3

Or something like that. ScarJo is also signed on for a ton of movies, but it doesn't mean she will get a standalone either.
 
That's not good news for me. Captain America is fantastic, and if the man has no respect for it, it doesn't sound like he has a lot of respect for being faithful with Marvel properties. Hopefully if he tries anything funny, Marvel Studios will put him in his place, or remove him.

Shane Black shitting all over Captain America? Faith in Iron Man 3 increasing!
 
They really shouldn't. Hulk and The Incredible Hulk didn't fail because of the talent involved. They failed because the Hulk character is not strong enough to carry a movie.

Hulk should be used sparingly and awesome-ly. No Hulk again until Avengers 2, thank you very much Marvel.

Yep, exactly. Hulk is like dessert.

You know, it would be hard for me to pick my favorite shot in the film. There are so goddamn many great ones. In a Joss Whedon film.

This is not the world I know.

Yep again! For all the griping (myself included) about it looking flat and TV-like in commercials, it was actually really pretty with some amazingly framed shots. It looked bright and comic-booky without that garish flat look from the Raimi Spider-Mans, which I never quite got behind.
 
When it comes to Hulk, I don't care about story or character development. I'd love to see an hour and a half, or two hours, of him doing nothing but tearing shit up. I can't get enough of it.
 
This review encapsulates my issues with Marvel in its approach in creating 'the avengers'.

The Avengers comes as a surprise to me, because I really expected to not like it. A studio who sacrifices statements for set up, and a director who often struggles with scope and escaping his narrative quirks? It seemed like a recipe for disaster. And I feel like it almost did hit that point, swaying somewhere between a bar car chase that opens the movie and a bunch of clunky exposition. But what has made superheroes, specifically team stories like The Avengers, work is that at the end of the day they’re about joy and wonder and having a whole lotta heart and just putting it out there.

That being said, this review sold me on the avengers. I am legitimately excited to see it, whenever that is.
 
When it comes to Hulk, I don't care about story or character development. I'd love to see an hour and a half, or two hours, of him doing nothing but tearing shit up. I can't get enough of it.

Sounds like you'll love Planet Hulk. It's Hulk (without Banner) on an alien planet, basically reenacting Gladiator. Lulz.
 
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Ruffalo's signed on for 6 movies. The Hulk is getting universally praised in all reviews. He's very marketable, with a large history to draw from.

Regardless of how the movie will turn out, it's going to happen.

I really don't know if they're going to try and get burned three times. Hulk has always been one of the most popular comic book characters ever. It just doesn't seem to translate to a feature-length movie. There's nothing that different about this Hulk except that he's in it just enough to only do really really really awesome shit.


Am I the only person that thought this Avengers world setting made Iron Man's seem like TDK's in comparison?

Haha, I know what you mean, and I think it's fantastic they finally established an appropriately "comic book" universe without losing suspension of disbelief. THOR was actually a pretty important movie in that regard. It's totally believable for Tony Stark to mix it up with all sorts of crazy shit now.
 
Yep again! For all the griping (myself included) about it looking flat and TV-like in commercials, it was actually really pretty with some amazingly framed shots. It looked bright and comic-booky without that garish flat look from the Raimi Spider-Mans, which I never quite got behind.

Indeed. I'll see this a second time in theatres just to see some of those shots again.
 
Whedon also amazingly seems to understand when and how to use a speed-ramped shot, which is "almost never, but make it short and fucking awesome when you do".
 
Yeah, the Avengers is all the evidence needed to show that Hulk should ALWAYS be used in a supporting role, and NEVER to carry a movie. He is so awesome in Avengers simply because you get such a limited dose.

He's like Jack Sparrow; CotBP was great because he was used just enough. DMC and AWE were trash in large part because they made Sparrow the focus instead of having him add flavour to the periphery.

I said nearly the exact same thing earlier in the thread; I even used the Jack Sparrow example.
 
I honestly don't know much about Shane Black. Seems he's written good stuff before, but he hasn't really directed much of anything. I expect Iron Man 3 to be good, but at this point only because I think Marvel does learn from mistakes and they're actively trying to improve their output. I guess we'll see.
 
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