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[hamchan]

You have to be a really shitty writer when Mark Millar is more subtle at portraying the fact that there was incest going on between Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in the Ultimates.

You have to be a shitty writer to single-handedly ruin the entire Ultimate universe.

 

[bernardobri]

So without going back 1200 pages, is the guy at the end of the movie Red Skull or Thanos? I thought it was Red Skull from Captain America, but I could be wrong.

Thanos. To be honest, I thought at first it was a Skrull

 

[Good Job Bob]

So Avengers were too big to fail?

It could have easily failed. Bad word of mouth, nasty reviews, and the whole thing could have been Green Lantern all over again.

Feige did an excellent job getting the pieces in place, but there was no guarantee of success. Whedon delivered that.

Like you said, Feige spent the last 4 years getting all the pieces precisely in place - all Whedon had to do was not fuck it up.

And he didn't fuck it up, he deserves some credit for that, sure. But if you're going to give the most credit to somebody it simply has to be Kevin Feige for orchestrating this whole event never before seen in cinema.

 

[HomerSimpson-Man]

Needs more Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

 

[KevinCow]

Thanos. To be honest, I thought at first it was a Skrull

All my friends looked to me for an answer because I know the most about comics among my group of friends, and I was like, "I dunno, kinda looked like a Skrull?"

The dude in front of us turned around and was all, "Uh, no, it's not even the same color as a Skrull. It's Thanos."

 

[Dai101]

Girl from The Hunger Games?

Never heard of it

 

[Izick]

All my friends looked to me for an answer because I know the most about comics among my group of friends, and I was like, "I dunno, kinda looked like a Skrull?"

The dude in front of us turned around and was all, "Uh, no, it's not even the same color as a Skrull. It's Thanos."

 

[Replicant]

More fan art. I hope this wasn't posted already. Beautiful.

The author

So beautiful. It looks like something you see in glass arts.

But Andrew made the superior movie...

Did I just read what I just read?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Seeing those two avatars in a row is priceless.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

Like you said, Feige spent the last 4 years getting all the pieces precisely in place - all Whedon had to do was not fuck it up.

And he didn't fuck it up, he deserves some credit for that, sure. But if you're going to give the most credit to somebody it simply has to be Kevin Feige for orchestrating this whole event never before seen in cinema.

I credit Jon Favreau and Downey Jr. more than anything. Considering from what I've read Iron Man had a loose script and they improvised a lot of it. Jeff Bridges has said they would make up stuff on the day every day... with no Iron Man success there would be no Thor, Captain America or the Avengers.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

But Andrew made the superior movie...

Shhhhh, these people don't like hearing the truth. You're on the internet, remember?

 

[XiaNaphryz]

And he didn't fuck it up, he deserves some credit for that, sure. But if you're going to give the most credit to somebody it simply has to be Kevin Feige for orchestrating this whole event never before seen in cinema.

"Not fucking it up" would not have translated to how well it ended up doing. "Not fucking it up" would have resulted in much more mixed reviews and a more modest box office turnout.

Whedon's execution is why this turned out into an event film and not, say, something more like Green Lantern. And even if you throw in the whole "3D tax" thing, it still likely would have broken the OW domestic record if not easily been in the top 3.

Why do you insist with your constant trolling? It belittles all the people who worked on this project, put in the countless long workdays and overtime weekends, and yes Whedon did communicate with the people in the trenches on a regular basis. Despite saying you liked the film you continue to find any excuse to throw in random barbs and quips under some thin-veil of "criticism."

Your contrarian act is beyond old, and despite my best efforts of trying to be above it all I can't keep it up. Congratulations, you've won. You're the first person I've added to the ignore list in my entire time on these boards. But I can't keep continually defending what I feel are gross inaccuracies about work my coworkers are involved with. If you're not going to bother even to try to be constructive about it, I shouldn't bother either.

 

[KevinCow]

^ Ahahaha, damn.

I credit Jon Favreau and Downey Jr. more than anything. Considering from what I've read Iron Man had a loose script and they improvised a lot of it. Jeff Bridges has said they would make up stuff on the day every day... with no Iron Man success there would be no Thor, Captain America or the Avengers.

Clearly Sam Raimi and Brian Singer deserve the most credit for showing that superhero movies could be done right. Without Spider-Man and X-Men, Iron Man wouldn't have been made in the first place.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Who invented camera film? That guy deserves the credit!

 

[Zabka]

I credit Jon Favreau and Downey Jr. more than anything. Considering from what I've read Iron Man had a loose script and they improvised a lot of it. Jeff Bridges has said they would make up stuff on the day every day... with no Iron Man success there would be no Thor, Captain America or the Avengers.

I watched the behind the scenes stuff from IM1 and 2 and it's really a miracle the first one turned out well.

ETA: Weird I'm sure I had a point but I forgot it. I think I remember the first IM movie shoot script listed Crimson Dynamo in it.

 

[Tobor]

Clearly Sam Raimi and Brian Singer deserve the most credit for showing that superhero movies could be done right. Without Spider-Man and X-Men, Iron Man wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby deserve all the credit, without them, there are no characters to make movies about!

 

[Solo]

Clearly Sam Raimi and Brian Singer deserve the most credit for showing that superhero movies could be done right. Without Spider-Man and X-Men, Iron Man wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Clearly Bob Kane deserves the most credit for creating the first comic book character people gave a shit about. Without him, B89 doesn't get made which means Spider-Man and X-Men don't get made, which means Iron Man doesn't get made, which means Avengers doesn't get made.

Bob Kane, Head of Craft Services.

 

[J10]

Who invented ink and paper?

 

[BronsonLee]

All my friends looked to me for an answer because I know the most about comics among my group of friends, and I was like, "I dunno, kinda looked like a Skrull?"

The dude in front of us turned around and was all, "Uh, no, it's not even the same color as a Skrull. It's Thanos."

We had a dude like that in our showing on Tuesday (went with friends, cheapest ticket night, so tons of families/kids, etc etc. Even better than going release week crowd wise, imo). Thanos pops up. People FREAK. Dude above is like "That's Thantos, right? The dude with the gauntlet thing?" We say yeah and just explain the gauntlet stuff, cause he asked. Dude below us is all "No, that's THANOS. T-H-A-N-O-S", all smug like.

Come on, dude. The guy is clearly not super knowledgeable, but he knows enough to freak out about it. It's all in good fun. Don't need to be like that.

Four Paragraphs Basically Ethering GoodJobBob

I agree with you on this one, Xia. I didn't really post about it, but I did notice that he would try to bring up a criticism (not watching Hulk vs Thor, the assets being essentially the same as Transformers, etc etc), get pounced on for it, then basically move from point to point. It's basically a wash.

And this is coming from someone who thinks the movie, in and of itself, does have flaws. But like you said, it's an event film. This film shouldn't even exist, much less be as all into its concept as it was.

 

[Tobor]

Clearly Bob Kane deserves the most credit for creating the first comic book character people gave a shit about. Without him, B89 doesn't get made which means Spider-Man and X-Men don't get made, which means Iron Man doesn't get made, which means Avengers doesn't get made.

Bob Kane, Head of Craft Services.

Superman was created before Batman, so Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster are head of Craft Services.

 

[Alligatorjandro]

I enjoyed all of the characters in the movie.

I think Cap was my fav.

 

[Solo]

Superman was created before Batman, so Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster are head of Craft Services.

But no one gives a shit about him. So those guys are basically like film directors - no recognition deserved.

 

[Izick]

Seeing those two avatars in a row is priceless.

We need to get all together somehow and go avenge threads.

 

[Tobor]

But no one gives a shit about him. So those guys are basically like film directors - no recognition deserved.

After deliberation, I feel that Homer isn't getting his due here. That dude was writing epic superhero adventures in ancient Greece and shit.

The Craft services table sucked back then, though. Nothing but olives and figs.

 

[jett]

lol

People were saying Whedon had more to do with how well the film turned out than Feige, as opposed to those saying Feige deserved the majority of the credit.

Keep fighting that fight.

Tell it straight, who should be credited more for the action sequences in Avengers, the technical directors at ILM or Joss Whedon?

 

[PhoncipleBone]

We need to get all together somehow and go avenge threads.

But that would give us two Caps. Unless one is Bucky Cap. I dont want to be Bucky Cap, even if he is awesome.

 

[Hot Coldman]

But that would give us two Caps. Unless one is Bucky Cap. I dont want to be Bucky Cap, even if he is awesome.

I guess I get dibs on Hulk, given the name.

 

[Izick]

But that would give us two Caps. Unless one is Bucky Cap. I dont want to be Bucky Cap, even if he is awesome.

Then you muse BATTLE TO THE DEATH.

*dramatic fight music*

 

[DrForester]

Sure it's old with how fast this thread moves but...

http://whedonesque.com/comments/28797

Dear Friends,

Well, it's been quite a weekend. Someday, long from now, I will even have an emotional reaction to it, like a person would. I can't wait! But before I become blinded by this "emotion" experience, there's a few things I'd like to say. Well, type.

People have told me that this matters, that my life is about to change. I am sure that is true. And change is good -- change is exciting. I think -- not to jinx it -- that I may finally be recognized at Comiccon. Imagine! Also, with my percentage of "the Avengers" gross, I can afford to buy... [gets call from agent. Weeps manfully. Resumes typing.] ...a fine meal. But REALLY fine, with truffles and s#!+. And I can get a studio to finance my dream project, the reboot of "Air Bud" that we all feel is so long overdue. (He could play Jai Alai! Think of the emotional ramifications of JAI ALAI!!!!)

What doesn't change is anything that matters. What doesn't change is that I've had the smartest, most loyal, most passionate, most articulate group of -- I'm not even gonna say fans. I'm going with "peeps" -- that any cult oddity such as my bad self could have dreamt of. When almost no one was watching, when people probably should have STOPPED watching, I've had three constants: my family and friends, my collaborators (often the same), and y'all. A lot of stories have come out about my "dark years", and how I'm "unrecognized"... I love these stories, because they make me seem super-important, but I have never felt the darkness (and I'm ALL about my darkness) that they described. Because I have so much. I have people, in my life, on this site, in places I've yet to discover, that always made me feel the truth of success: an artist and an audience communicating. Communicating to the point of collaborating. I've thought, "maybe I'm over; maybe I've said my piece". But never with fear. Never with rancor. Because of y'all. Because you knew me when. If you think topping a box office record compares with someone telling you your work helped them through a rough time, you're probably new here. (For the record, and despite my inhuman distance from the joy-joy of it: topping a box office record is super-dope. I'm an alien, not a robot.) So this is me, saying thank you. All of you. You've taken as much guff for loving my work as I have for over-writing it, and you deserve, in this our time of streaming into the main, to crow. To glow. To crow and go "I told you so", to those Joe Blows not in the know. (LAST time I hire Dr. Seuss to punch my posts up. Yeesh!) Point being, you deserve some honor, AND you deserves some FAQs answered. So please welcome my old friend and certainly not-on-my-payroll reporter/flunky, Rutherford D. Actualperson!

RDA: So good to see you, young Joss! is it possible you've gotten more attractive since we last spoke, and less fungal in odor?

JW: Thanks for noticing. Let's talk.

RDA: "the Scavengers" is a huge success! Does this mean you have changed the very fabric of existence?

JW: Dude, it's just a movie. Also, yes.

RDA: I've seen a lot of a talk about "the Availers" vs "the Dark Knight Rises". How will you feel if you're eclipsed by Nolan?

JW: I'm glad I made you ask that. I will feel sad. But let's look at the bigger picture, and I can't say this enough: THIS IS NOT A ZERO SUM GAME. Our successes, whoever has the mostest, are a boon to each other. We're in the business of proving that superhero movies aren't just eye-candy (they're eye-TRUFFLES!). People seem intent on setting us against each other, and though I'm proud to be Woody Strode to Nolan's Kirk Douglas, I think they're missing the point. Whatever TDKR does on its first weekend, the only stat that matters to me is the ticket I'M definitely buying. Nolan and Raimi INVENTED the true superhero flick, yo. (Special mention to Jon Favreau and James Gunn.) Happy to be in the mix.

RDA: What does this mean for your upcoming slate of tiny independent films/Internet shenanigans? Will they fall by the wayside?

JW: There may be new ideas realized -- I always leave myself open to that -- but my commitment to Wastelanders and Dr H.2 does not waver. Those stories bubble on my stove.

RDA: And TV?

JW: TV is my great love. To tell stories with that alacrity, intensity, and immediacy... Nothing quite like it. I imagine it's not dissimilar to the feeling great poker players have: "Here's what I got, here's where I'm going... How to trick everybody into thinking I know what I'm doing?" [Full disclosure : Joss hates poker. He is probably talking about bridge. But it should apply nonetheless.].

RDA: What message would you give fans of "the Lavenders" who are not so familiar with your previous work?

JW: "Cabin In the Woods": still in (some) theaters!

RDA: Is 'the Ravengers" a perfect movie? It did get an A+ cinemascore...

JW: There are very few perfect movies. "The Court Jester", "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest", "Godfather" I & II... The list does not go on and on. "The Avengers" is notably IMperfect, which makes its success mean so much more to me -- because it's striking a chord that matters MORE than its obvious flaws. Like the team, it appears to be more than the sun of its parts. Boo-yah!

RDA: What do you feel is the greatest achievement of "the Avoiders"?

JW: Getting "mewling quim" out there to the masses. Also, Hulk.

RDA: Anyone in particular you'd like to thank?

JW: [Reads from notecard]. I couldn't have done this myself. Part of this Saturn Award belongs to Jeremy Latcham, Kevin Feige, and the fine Marvel folk... But the secret ingredient is my closest peeps: J-Mo, who did uncredited punch-up work (carrier battle, yo!), Z-bro, Drew "I am Loki only taller and foppier" Goddard, and Kai, all of whom worked the story with me. Without them (and Jeremy), I'd still be figuring out how the Wasp fits in to this, and where to put Red Hulk.

RDA: What's next for Joss "finally got it right for a change" Whedon?

JW: Can we not call me that?

RDA: Just deal. Whut up?

JW: I really think we should discuss that nickname, but I'm finishing "Much Ado About Nothing" this month. If you liked "the Avengers", you'll love... I can't. It's Shakespeare. And not in the park. I hope it gets watched.

RDA: Any message to your precious "Whedonesk?"

JW: Whedonettes?

RDA: Weeble-eque?

JW: I'm not aware of that group.

RDA: Didn't they know you when?

JW: I'm not sure who you mean. I'm discarding my old fans so I can concentrate on fame, Euro-trash guy-jewelry and my precious "Air Bud" reboot. But, dude, don't print that!

RDA: You have my word.

So, that's our post! Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you'll continue to carry the banner even though other people may have joined the parade. (Kind of a gay pride/Newsies vibe: sentence accomplished!) Hope you understand how I feel. Cliff notes: grateful.

"Here's to us. Who's like us? Damn few"
-- Stephen Sondheim, "Merrily We Roll Along".

"It took a dog playing Jai Alai to teach us humanity!"
--Me, in that awesome film I'm gonna make.

 

[heliosRAzi]

^ Ahahaha, damn.



Clearly Sam Raimi and Brian Singer deserve the most credit for showing that superhero movies could be done right. Without Spider-Man and X-Men, Iron Man wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Wesley Snipes deserves the honor of proving that superhero movies could be done right

 

[Dai101]

Stop with this bullshit. Let's get back to topic:

Around-the-World Roundup: 'Avengers' Dominates Again

Tuesday Update: The Avengers earned $28.4 million on Monday to bring its overseas total to $475.8 million. Combined with its $226.3 million domestic total, Marvel's superhero team-up has so far earned over $700 million worldwide (placing it 47th on the all-time chart).

Around-the-World Roundup: Aside from crushing the opening weekend record in the U.S., The Avengers had another phenomenal overseas session this weekend. The movie added $157.4 million from 52 territories, which brings its 12-day foreign total to a massive $447.4 million.

Its only major openings this weekend came in Russia and China, where it took first place with $17.9 million and $17.4 million, respectively. Neither of these are close to record-setting levels, though that shouldn't take away from how impressive they are either. Including Monday, the highest-grossing territories for The Avengers are the United Kingdom ($54 million), Mexico ($40.7 million), Brazil ($33.9 million), Australia ($33.2 million), and South Korea ($31.8 million). The only top tier market left to open is Japan, which will unleash The Avengers in August.

http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3439&p=.htm

We love them avengers ese!!

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Then you muse BATTLE TO THE DEATH.

*dramatic fight music*

Had mine first. Used this avatar last year when Cap came out in theaters, and had to represent the best Avenger for the new movie. Had this one up for weeks.

Dibs on Steve Rogers.

 

[Izick]

Had mine first. Used this avatar last year when Cap came out in theaters, and had to represent the best Avenger for the new movie. Had this one up for weeks.

Dibs on Steve Rogers.

Other Captain came off as a little bit racist, so you win!

 

[Supermanisdead]

I want to see MODOK in live action just because I can't imagine any way that wouldn't look completely retarded.

It will probably just be a dude with tiny arms where his ears should be.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Other Captain came off as a little bit racist, so you win!

So he is Ultimate Cap then. I will take original, more awesome Cap.

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! And go see the movie again this week. I need another fix.

 

[ReiGun]

I call Bucky Cap!

Needs more Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch

Ugh. Why would you do that Loeb? Why?

 

[Izick]

So he is Ultimate Cap then. I will take original, more awesome Cap.

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE! And go see the movie again this week. I need another fix.

As will I. I'm curious to see how it does this weekend, seeing as a lot of people are planning on seeing it again this Friday and weekend.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Shame Beans lost weight, he could be a great MODOK

 

[PhoncipleBone]

I call Bucky Cap!



Ugh. Why would you do that Loeb? Why?

Because Loeb without Tim Sale is rubbish.

But Loeb did write Commando. The king of Arnold one liners. So he gets a pass.

 

[Asbel]

I need some smart gaffers to answer this question.

If Hulk was knocked down, could Thor's hammer be used to pin the Hulk to the ground?

 

[marrec]

I need some smart gaffers to answer this question.

If Hulk was knocked down, could Thor's hammer be used to pin the Hulk to the ground?

Fuck ya, until Hulk got mad enough to rip the planet in two beneath him.

 

[Escape Goat]

Thor did that one time. I forget who it was now but he put it on top of his chest and he couldn't move it.

 

[Asbel]

Fuck ya, until Hulk got mad enough to rip the planet in two beneath him.

I just watched Hulk VS and Thor really could have saved himself a beating. lol

 

[Tobor]

Thor did that one time. I forget who it was now but he put it on top of his chest and he couldn't move it.

He did it to Loki in his movie.

 

[sharbhund]

The film succeeded because of what Whedon did, and I know several artists who interacted with him who would say that as well in terms of getting feedback on their particular sequences. If the film turned out terrible, we all know people would be placing the blame on Whedon and not Feige.

EDIT: Here's a quote from the show supe:

Speaking of artists in the trenches, XiaNaphryz, do you have any idea if this Lethal Weapon-quoting previs guy was with ILM or with Marvel?

But Whedon has never had much luck with machines. “The problem with the machine is that it will generify. It will suck the film out of the movie,” he says. “Nobody does it on purpose, but without somebody telling them exactly what you need, they’re going to give you something that would work for anything.” Case in point: While working on a scene where Iron Man’s armor shorts out, one of the previsualization guys said, “He should have a line here, something like, ‘I’m getting too old for this shit.’” Whedon stopped short. “OK, we’re going into a time machine,” he said. “Three minutes earlier, you did not just tell me where a line goes. And it was not ‘I’m getting too old for this shit.’ That never happened. Let’s move on.”

 

[Atrus]

I need some smart gaffers to answer this question.

If Hulk was knocked down, could Thor's hammer be used to pin the Hulk to the ground?

Temporarily. The Hulk has been shown to be able to lift the hammer given enough rage.

 

[Escape Goat]

He did it to Loki in his movie.

I mean in the comics

 

[Tobor]

I mean in the comics

Well, I'm sure he's done it thousands of times in the comics.

Lol @ that Lethal Weapon guy. How embarrassing!

 

[marrec]

Temporarily. The Hulk has been shown to be able to lift the hammer given enough rage.

It's not like the Hulk has been shown to swing the hammer around, just life it off the ground using all his available strength. I don't think he could sit up with it on his Hulk Chest.

 

[KevinCow]

I want this: