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Marvel's The Avengers |OT| (Dir. Joss Whedon) [Spoilers unmarked]

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This is asshole cap, aka, Ultimate Cap
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This is good cap, aka, Captain America.
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Man, Movie Cap is all kinds of awesome. He pretty much single handedly wins World War II in his movie. Then in Avengers he goes toe to toe with Loki, destroys waves of alien warriors, shrugs off Thor coming at him with his hammer, commands instant respect from regular joes, AND by movie's end is the unstated leader of the Avengers.

Do I wish they hadn't montaged all of WW2, so Cap could have had more screen time adventures? Of course! But they needed him in ice so he'd be ready for the Avengers film. I hope the next Captain movie has some extended flash backs fleshing out some more of his missions, and I'm psyched to see him taking on modern day villains who don't know the king is back.
 
This is asshole cap, aka, Ultimate Cap
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The idea that Cap wouldn't have gigantic respect for France is so silly. Hello, he grew up in a world where France had just won World War I. Then he spent the war liberating France. He had first had experience with the war machine which forced the surrender of France, and I'm sure he also had first hand experience with the French resistance. Nah, forget that, Captain America eats freedom fries and laughs at surrender monkeys.
 
Ultimate Cap being a dick makes him that much more interesting. I actually enjoy Cap's usual characterisation, but it grates on me when fans complain about their favourite characters developing flaws and not being the benevolent, wise, perfect gods they normally are.

Edit: Pociask, however, brings up an interesting point.
 
AIM is a bag of laughs by itself, having Modok wouln't be too terrible. Cap has some of the best wacky villains in comic-dom.

What about Arnim Zola? In the Cap film, there's supposedly a shot of blueprints of Zola's android body when he's escaping the HYDRA facility.
 
The idea that Cap wouldn't have gigantic respect for France is so silly. Hello, he grew up in a world where France had just won World War I. Then he spent the war liberating France. He had first had experience with the war machine which forced the surrender of France, and I'm sure he also had first hand experience with the French resistance. Nah, forget that, Captain America eats freedom fries and laughs at surrender monkeys.

I just started Brubaker's run on 616 Cap, and there is a good scene where Cap tells Sharon about his experiences fighting along side French soldiers and how much it pisses him off when Americans accuse the French of being cowards.

It was kind of funny reading that, after seeing that ultimate Cap scene so many times.
 
Ultimates Cap is an asshat.
Actually most Ultimates and Ultimate universe characters remind me of bad rehashes of 1990s edgy garbage.

I have found the one downside to the Avengers, all of the other movies feel so far away now.
 
Weird. I just saw a commercial for DC "New 52" on TV. I honestly can't recall seeing another commercial for comics. I wonder if they knew that this movie would be this huge, and maybe thought they would possibly get some new readers with it? That would be awesome marketing if so. Use Marvel's biggest movie to sell more DC comics.

Fuck...I need to get into comics.
 
Weird. I just saw a commercial for DC "New 52" on TV. I honestly can't recall seeing another commercial for comics. I wonder if they knew that this movie would be this huge, and maybe thought they would possibly get some new readers with it? That would be awesome marketing if so. Use Marvel's biggest movie to sell more DC comics.

Fuck...I need to get into comics.

Well, New 52 has be hugely successful for DC since last year, so it would make sense to capitalize on the success of Avengers to make it even bigger.
 
Using the Oakleys today. The red really helps when riding my bike strangely - mostly due to anything white not blinding me when the sun reflects off of it.

Also, it has the feel of looking through 3D glasses - kinda cool.
 
Do any of you REALLY want to see MODOK rendered realistically on the big screen? I would barf.

Yes, and I want them to follow the idea of Christopher Markus... Peter Dinklage as Modok !

And to cut the budget of SFX, I want him with this costume :
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Do any of you REALLY want to see MODOK rendered realistically on the big screen? I would barf.

Imagine it.

Thanos has scientist slaves designing the perfect bioweapon army. They have the big reveal, where the machine's doors open slowly to reveal MODOK. Thanos, blank faced, immediately kills all the scientists.
 
Haha Didn't get any of that. The funniest bit for us was when they first show Steve Rogers and the punching bag we hear a little kid go "It's Iron Man!"

I heard a story somewhere of a person who was watching that scene and a girl behind him saying out loud "Wait, that's not Channing Tatum."
 
Man, Movie Cap is all kinds of awesome. He pretty much single handedly wins World War II in his movie. Then in Avengers he goes toe to toe with Loki, destroys waves of alien warriors, shrugs off Thor coming at him with his hammer, commands instant respect from regular joes, AND by movie's end is the unstated leader of the Avengers.

Do I wish they hadn't montaged all of WW2, so Cap could have had more screen time adventures? Of course! But they needed him in ice so he'd be ready for the Avengers film. I hope the next Captain movie has some extended flash backs fleshing out some more of his missions, and I'm psyched to see him taking on modern day villains who don't know the king is back.

This, although the war montage didn't bother me in the least. They needed to show that time was progressing, and that he was winning battles and being a bad ass. Mission accomplished.
 
The few times I've seen/read Marvel comic stuff, I've always really like the style. It's colorful, yet dark.

I remember when I was a kid, there was this book that had a bunch of different pictures of Marvel scenes, and you had to find different stuff within the pictures I think. I always loved that art.
 
Ya, I exclusively read DC stuff right now, which is the opposite of 4 years ago. Something about the X-Men is putting me off. (I've tried Wolverine and the X-Men)
 
Ya, I exclusively read DC stuff right now, which is the opposite of 4 years ago. Something about the X-Men is putting me off. (I've tried Wolverine and the X-Men)
Should read Uncanny X-Force if you want to avoid the wackiness thats sprouted out of Cyclops and Wolverines ongoing feud. Easily the best X book in years.
 
LOL Whedon is off of the hook...this time

Joss Whedon’s predilection for killing beloved characters is as obvious as it is heart-breaking and infuriating. There was Joyce Summers, Tara Maclay, Anya Jenkins and many others on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Wash and Shepherd Book in Serenity, Winifred Burkle on Angel, Rupert Giles in the Buffy comics. The list goes on.

And while fans fully expected the writer/director to off someone in Marvel’s The Avengers — Black Widow was an early odds-on favorite — once it turned out to be fan-favorite Agent Phil Coulson (Clark Gregg), the reaction was relatively muted. The S.H.I.E.L.D. operative is as much the connective tissue of the Marvel Cinematic Universe as Samuel L. Jackson’s Nick Fury, so you’d think there would be more online outcry about his demise. Maybe audiences expect Coulson’s timely resurrection, a la Buffy, Spike or Angel (I’ve seen suggestions he’ll return as the big-screen version of The Vision). Or maybe they were just relieved Scarlett Johansson’s super-spy lives to fight another day.

Although that may be a mystery, Whedon’s reasons for killing Agent Coulson is not. At a press junket for The Avengers, the director came clean, telling io9.com it was … someone else’s idea.

“In our first meeting [Marvel Studios President] Kevin Feige said, this is what we’re gonna do and I said, ‘Oh, but you have to go out there and tell everybody that it was your idea because this is going to get me so much shit. Because they are all going to be like, “Oh, he did it again!”‘ Whedon said. “It was stipulated from the beginning, and I completely agree that it was the right thing to do, and so did Clark, who said in the early days, when I was busy apologizing for it, ‘In a movie like this, with what’s going on if there isn’t some toll, it’s just irresponsible story telling.’”

So there. If you are upset about Agent Coulson, blame Kevin Feige. Or Clark Gregg. Or responsible storytelling. Just not Joss Whedon — this time.

From CBR
 
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THE AVENGERS' grossed an estimated $13.5M on Wed. Total is now $257M.

-24% drop. bigger than spiderman 1 had in its epic run to BO after being the first 100 million OW weekend movie. still on track to being very near 100 Million 2nd weekend
 
That sounds like an amazing twist. I'm a sucker for a good twist.

There's some funny behind the scenes stuff to go with that. Thanos creator Jim Starlin was upset at the character being defeated in certain ways so he created that out to excuse the losses.

So, when he was defeated by Squirrel Girl, they threw in this jab....

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Ya, I exclusively read DC stuff right now, which is the opposite of 4 years ago. Something about the X-Men is putting me off. (I've tried Wolverine and the X-Men)

Should read Uncanny X-Force if you want to avoid the wackiness thats sprouted out of Cyclops and Wolverines ongoing feud. Easily the best X book in years.

Agreed. UXF is so damn good. I honestly can say that Wolverine was never my favorite X-Man - hell, I could barely tolerate the guy - but UXF made me appreciate the character a hell of a lot, same with the others on the team. Plus, Fantomex is just cool - add in Deadpool and you've got awesome. Besides, there's nothing darker than reading about a hit squad really.
 
-24% drop. bigger than spiderman 1 had in its epic run to BO after being the first 100 million OW weekend movie. still on track to being very near 100 Million 2nd weekend

Still gonna breeze to $350M in 10 days this weekend, which is 4 days faster than the previous record holder.
 
Do any of you REALLY want to see MODOK rendered realistically on the big screen? I would barf.

My compromise would be to have his face represented on the front via a big screen, perhaps in black and white. I think it would look appropriately unsettling and true to the character without being completely ridiculous.
 
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