Manmademan
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JLA in a curbstomp. Not even close.
The only lineup I'd put against that version of the JLA is:
Thor
Monica Rambeau
Sersi
Quasar
Hulk
Dr. Strange
and maaaaaybe Iron man
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Who would win in a fight? Batman or Ironman?
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JLA in a curbstomp. Not even close.
The only lineup I'd put against that version of the JLA is:
Thor
Monica Rambeau
Sersi
Quasar
Hulk
Dr. Strange
and maaaaaybe Iron man
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah, JLA has the advantage due to just how overpowered Supes, Green Lantern and Flash are
Razgriz-Specter
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and yet Batman could defeat all three plus Wonder Woman.
Joel Was Right
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lol
Where is this from
StalkerUKCG
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Needs more wolverine (dude cannot die)
A comic book
Manmademan
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those three have their vulnerabilities.
Quasar is essentially a green lantern, but his constructs don't depend on willpower, and never need a "recharge."
Superman has a HORRENDOUS magical weakness. Either Thor OR Dr. Strange would have a field day with him. He's also depowered with red solar radiation.
The flash is the toughest opponent on the JLA, but Dr. Strange can stop (or reverse) time, Thor can teleport the battlefield somewhere he can't survive, and Monica Rambeau is arguably faster, depending on what form she takes.
Including Rambeau is technically cheating actually, since she can mimic red solar radiation (depowering superman), control or drain green lantern energy, travel at lightspeed and is potentially invisible and can't be physically hit in energy form. easily the most underrated avenger.
wolverine would be thrown into orbit in seconds versus the JLA. The only character more overrated in comics is Batman
Superman did end up beating Thor in JLA/Avengers. Strange would probably body him though.
That just means he gets to spend forever getting beaten up by Superman.
You Batman fans are something else. lol
That just means he gets to spend forever getting beaten up by Superman.
Phoenician_Viking
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Darkseid is the best villain in both Marvel and DC, ad one of the best characters in comics.
Hot Coldman
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Thor Vol 3 #3
triplestation
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Iron Man would easily repulsor beam Batman to death. Jericho missle Wayne manor and humiliate the tumbler.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
No slouches but they're a bit more on the power level of Thor, Hulk, and Iron Man.
EDIT: Just read up on Quasar. With him and Dr. Strange on the Avengers side they would stand a better chance
Razgriz-Specter
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I know and I admit it. but I also go by what I see and read.Superman did end up beating Thor in JLA/Avengers. Strange would probably body him though.
You Batman fans are something else. lol
watch Justice League Doom,
I have read 1 comic that had Wonder Woman destroy Batman.
Escape Goat
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Batman VS fights are so stupid because Batman's power is that he thinks of whatever his opponent doesn't. So its impossible to keep Bats down forever. Otherwise Batman would suck and nobody would care.
Uhhh... The avengers would only need Sentry.
But my for real list is:
Iron Man (tactics, counter-measures, leadership0
Thor (Brute strength, indomitable will)
Hulk (is the strongest one there is)
Quasar (The power of the universe)
One the bench:
Ms. Marvel
Captain Marvel (the woman)
Scarlet Witch
Hercules
Sersi
But my for real list is:
Iron Man (tactics, counter-measures, leadership0
Thor (Brute strength, indomitable will)
Hulk (is the strongest one there is)
Quasar (The power of the universe)
One the bench:
Ms. Marvel
Captain Marvel (the woman)
Scarlet Witch
Hercules
Sersi
Manmademan
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yeah, I have that one. It isn't (currently) canon, and was kind of terribly written. Superman's magic weakness means he has no superhuman endurance vs. magical objects, but took a full force hammer shot to the face via mjolnir and was only stunned. Captain Marvel's magic lightning nearly killed a more powerful version of superman in Kingdom Come, but Thor "forgot" he had that ability in JLA/Avengers.
A well written Thor vs. Superman comic would go pretty badly for superman.
Sentry is dead, so I left him off the list. But..yeah.
But a million exploding suns would just make Superman stronger!
Flying_Phoenix
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The only person who could beat Batman is Goku.
And what a glorious destruction it was!
Threw his ass off a building like the HBIC she is.
I applaud JL: Doom for improving on the Wonder Woman counter from Tower of Babel. The idea of Wondy just running through the street beating up random people is funny to me for some reason.
Bottom line is we have a man with a suit that gives him Superman-like powers.
And then we have a man dressed like a bat, who has taken down an actual Superman on more than one occasion, with and without the help of his major weakness.
Batman would just negate the suit to defeat the man. He might lose a battle, but he would certainly win the war.
Also 100% chance, Batman is smiling and enjoying the fact that Wonder Woman is stepping on his head.
And then we have a man dressed like a bat, who has taken down an actual Superman on more than one occasion, with and without the help of his major weakness.
Batman would just negate the suit to defeat the man. He might lose a battle, but he would certainly win the war.
Also 100% chance, Batman is smiling and enjoying the fact that Wonder Woman is stepping on his head.
shira
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This will happen right after
star trek vs star wars
but right before
game of thrones vs lord of the rings.
Manmademan
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Superman's "major weakness" is that he's a boy scout who will rarely seek to kill an opponent. Stark doesn't have that weakness.
Smarter men than Batman have failed to "negate the suit." Tony is indisputably smarter than batman is even without massive intelligence boost from the extremis upgrades. Batman is a great detective, but NOT the best engineer. Mr. Terrific is way, WAY better. Likewise Stark has the edge over batman when it comes to technology.
not if they were a million RED suns
Thanos takes his lunch and quarters.
Escape Goat
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If not for the all powerful prep time Batman would get smushed by Superman. I can't recall any instances where Batman stomped Superman without the use of kryptonite (and knowing he would need it in advance).
Manmademan
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When an enraged, mind controlled superman was wrecking everyone's shit, the ONLY way to stop him was to snap the neck of the dude mind controlling him. No amount of prep time, and no one on DC earth could have done the job.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
Darkseid and Thanos come in from the crowd to wreck everyone's shit in the ring.
ThLunarian
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I don't know, I can see the Joker having a field day against Iron Man.
Clearly the Joker would take care to avoid a direct confrontation. Stark may be an engineering genius, but Joker is a master at hatching plots and manipulating people.
Manmademan
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Joker is overrated- he gets away with the shit he does because no one on DC earth is willing to kill him, and he exploits this knowledge.
Batman vs. Punisher had Joker going up a dude who does not take any shit- and all his games were useless. The only thing that saved his life was batman intervening and fighting the punisher to save him.
Batman in his late 50's or mid 60's, Superman still as young and fresh as ever.
Superman still lose.
I'll counter with:
Also:
dummydecoy
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Okay, i've read you guys say it in several other threads before, how is Flash overpowered?
He just moves fast right? But Superman can move as fast as him! Explain pls.
He just moves fast right? But Superman can move as fast as him! Explain pls.
Flash is faster than thought and can literally outrun death. Plus he has all those speed force powers.
Superboy Prime would defeat the Avengers and JLA at the same time.
Batman always has kryptonite when he's around Superman. One time too many being shoved through 3 office building floors by a mind controlled Supes has taught him that.
Batman may not be a technological genius to the level of Tony Stark, even though he built all of his own Bat vehicles and tools. But he is a strategic mastermind, while Tony is a hotheaded munitions industrialist in a suit. I've collected both characters' series for years, but I haven't seen the Iron Man movies. I understand that this Tony is more of the bon vivant playboy from the Ultimates world than the recovering alcoholic of the main 616 series. Both men have plenty of weaknesses for the Bat to exploit. Tony better kill him and kill him quickly, otherwise he'll be outmaneuvered and hoisted by his own petard.
Manmademan
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short story- Flash is faster than superman, full stop. BUT-
Flash isn't just fast, he controls "speed." Flash can speed drain other opponents down to a standstill.
As his speed increases, so does his mass. At maximum speed he has near infinite mass, Flash hits as hard or harder than superman does.
There's other fun things like vibrating through physical objects (causing them to explode if he chooses) or "lending speed" to team mates to increase their combat potential.
Why glaring weakness does Tony has? Is Batman going to build a trap baited with liquor and chicks?
Ghost_Protocol
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The question should be: "Who is easier to picture losing in a fight between Batman & Ironman?" Because that answer is obvious.
The problem with this is that Batman outside his own books is comic's underdog and is consistently made to prevail despite the odds against beings he has no business fighting (Sort of like Wolverine). So we get batman beating superman, Darkseid, etc. Batman in his own books looses fights to dudes in owl suits, and to his own former side kicks on occasion.
On the other hand. Iron Man has always been a big gun in the Marvel universe. He isn't as strong as Thor or Hulk, but he is definitely one of the more powerful Avengers, and his typical adversaries are also powerful. Where batman is constantly shown beating opponents he has no realistic chance at beating, writers use Iron Man to the opposite effect. To show that a threat is serious or that some other hero is awesome (Captain America, Wolverine, other lower power-level superheros) writers have them beat down Iron Man.
Realistically, based on each characters most consistent power levels and behavior in either of their own books, I don't see how this is a balanced fight. Iron Man can control all of his (hundreds) of armors at once, along with other computer controlled devices. Batman is a street level hero who faces street level threats like Daredevil.
On the other hand. Iron Man has always been a big gun in the Marvel universe. He isn't as strong as Thor or Hulk, but he is definitely one of the more powerful Avengers, and his typical adversaries are also powerful. Where batman is constantly shown beating opponents he has no realistic chance at beating, writers use Iron Man to the opposite effect. To show that a threat is serious or that some other hero is awesome (Captain America, Wolverine, other lower power-level superheros) writers have them beat down Iron Man.
Realistically, based on each characters most consistent power levels and behavior in either of their own books, I don't see how this is a balanced fight. Iron Man can control all of his (hundreds) of armors at once, along with other computer controlled devices. Batman is a street level hero who faces street level threats like Daredevil.
Manmademan
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Kryptonite takes time to work, and Superman has fought through kryptonite poisoning before.
If Clark REALLY wanted bruce dead, he's capable of moving so fast batman would literally be standing still- or just launch the batcave into orbit.
no, Iron man 2 dealt with this. The post IM2 "avengers" variant of Tony stark is not a playboy.
But I was talking comic Tony Stark anyway.
and Tony probably would- with a remote controlled suit (he has tons) from a secure location. And Tony is practically a prep-god himself. He developed anti-telepathic nanites to take out Emma Frost, and set up a satellite network to overpower Magneto with the magnetic field of the planet Jupiter. And THAT was just in Xmen vs. Avengers. But sure...Batman is just going to "think of something" to outprep Stark.
He won because Superman doesn't want to turn his best friend into a bloodsplatter. Tony Stark doesn't care about Bruce.
LetsGoKiting
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Iron Man: Rich, Smart, Gadgets, War Machine.
Batman: Rich, Smart, Gadgets, Robin.
Iron Man wins!
Batman: Rich, Smart, Gadgets, Robin.
Iron Man wins!
Flash's power is running fast. It's tapping into the Speed Force. This can allow him to do things like:
Also, Flash is much faster than Supes.
Flash's power is running fast. It's tapping into the Speed Force. This can allow him to do things like:
Also, Flash is much faster than Supes.
Why did they cause so much damage to the Daily Planet building?
Winnie the Pimp
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He's both cocky, filled with self doubt, and is over-reliant on his technology. Mix that with technology being what keeps him alive, his repulsor based heart, and you have a gameplan for taking him down.
Batman would feint and trick Iron Man into thinking he had won, and boom, some kind of technovirus or some kind of neuroelectrical feedback loop that hits harder the harder you fight it, and he's on his way. Turn his strengths against him, and then you have him. Use his weaknesses to cause him to defeat himself.
You're assuming these fights are willful one on one matches. There have been more than several occasions where Superman is going for killshots because he's under mental or magical control or some evil influence.
Also Iron Man's typical foes are dudes in power suits and dudes with elemental powers like Whirlwind or the Living Laser, or the Radioactive Man. Sure Fin Fang Foom is a mf'er and so is the Mandarin(who is his own worst enemy anyway), but Iron Man doesn't always fight super powerful Omega level threats. Batman fights muggers and rapists and anarchist terrorist clowns and dudes with bird fetishes on the regular. But he isn't afraid to step up in Darkseid's ass if he starts fucking up his couch.
dummydecoy
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Thanks for the Flash replies. WOW! And here I was thinking Superman was the cheapest superhero ever made.
This is comic books, man! No one ever dies!!
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