bigboss370
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yeah he was annoying, going on to say he didn't like the ending but would've been satisfied by an ending involving aliens? i'm like 'wtf!?'
they saved the world, and were saved themselves.
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yeah he was annoying, going on to say he didn't like the ending but would've been satisfied by an ending involving aliens? i'm like 'wtf!?'
they saved the world, and were saved themselves.
"...Or Did They?"
They hid it in plane site. DEAD R A LONG
they saved the world, and were saved themselves.
I always took the whole "light" thing being the interconnectivity of all men, and what everyone is in when they die. The "afterlife" or whatever. When the plug was pulled, and there was no more light, there was no "Afterlife."
Which makes me wonder about what happened to people who died during the hour or so it was out. Did it just black for them? Which probably means the MIB had this happen to him.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can have watched Lost and not understand the ending. I get it with the people who dropped out and came back for the ending, because they might actually be under the impression the flash sideways were normal flashbacks and they'd just missed a lot.
However, anyone who's seen it all should of understood it all. And to have the nerve to sit and criticize the show to the creator without having an even basic understanding of the show is embarrassing. I'm surprised Damon could hold his tongue.
I do still have questions about the show, and plenty of frustration towards the way certain things played out, but this was a wasted opportunity.
EDIT: I do remember the ending of The X-Files very well.
However, anyone who's seen it all should of understood it all. And to have the nerve to sit and criticize the show to the creator without having an even basic understanding of the show is embarrassing. I'm surprised Damon could hold his tongue.
I do still have questions about the show, and plenty of frustration towards the way certain things played out, but this was a wasted opportunity.
EDIT: I do remember the ending of The X-Files very well.
Wouldn't say people are dense for thinking that. This show caused you to watch every little detail and analyze it to the point of madness. Every room. Every scene. It was a confusing shot that implied a lot. Lindelof didn't even want it in there. That was ABC's call.
It really blows my mind that the same people who wrote The Constant shat out Across the Sea. The Constant was just an almost standalone episode at the beginning of a season, and it handled both the mythology and character moments perfectly.
Across the Sea had the weight of the whole show on its shoulders, and it failed in every way. Suddenly he doesn't care about these two characters and their backstory. I wish he would have realized this before he focused the whole final season on their conflict.
bigboss370
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imo the light has always been a manifestation of time itself. thats why Jacob's and the island's power always involved time (immortality, healing=reversing time, jacob appearing as a child, appearing after death, etc).
time=existence, therefore that light was a source of existence/life. so to have that light extinguished would mean destruction. i don't think the light has anything to do with afterlife.
Is the interviewer Erigu?
C'mon, give me some credit!
bigboss370
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i thought Across the Sea was great >_>
I wish I was on GAF for this moment. That was one of the biggest WTF moments I've ever experienced in the history of television. LOST was amazing, the haters/complainers are stupid.
Oddly the Constant is a rip off of another major sci-fi show's finale.
TNG had only the loosest arching mythology, but they managed to pay it off masterfully I think.
Across the Sea felt so forced. You could tell that they really didn't care to tell that part of the story; that they were doing it esentially because everyone expected them to.
Even though I thought Season Six had the sloppiest episodes of the series, it also had some real gems (The Substitute, Dr. Linus, The Candidate, & The End especially).
Even though I thought Season Six had the sloppiest episodes of the series, it also had some real gems (The Substitute, Dr. Linus, The Candidate, & The End especially).
Well, that certainly was Damon Lindelof.
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Across the Sea had the right idea, but putting it at the end and the execution were all very poor and limiting.might have been better off leaving it up in the air, but that was essentially the message of the episode to begin with. Everything is circular and will happen again, until The End.
Any other decent info in that interview? Don't wanna listen to some interviewer who doesn't know what the hell he's interviewing about.
Any other decent info in that interview? Don't wanna listen to some interviewer who doesn't know what the hell he's interviewing about.
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Willkiller
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2 years ago today I walked into college, emotional and red-eyed from being up all night.
Twas a sad day! I doubt I'll ever feel that way about a show again. Watching it with my girlfriend for (her) first time is awesome though, I'll never be able to experience it with virgin eyes again but being with someone else through it all and seeing their reactions is the closest thing!
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. That was a wonderful night for me. Literally cried my eyes out, and I'm not talking man tears.
Might start a rewatch before the year is out.
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Blue Ninja
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2 years already? Damn.
I felt so angry at the ending at first. It really took a while to grow on me.
The Constant, Through the Looking Glass, and The End easily top in my 5 most emotional TV episodes of all time.
Oh yeah... damn...
I remember the day I watched that episode. I stayed up so late and it was so worth it.
Angry Fork
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I still don't know what people wanted out of the end in terms of answers. What huge important things weren't answered? A lot of big things like 'what is the light, where does it come from' etc. don't really matter in the context of what's going on.
I'm not too fond of season 5 and 6 in retrospect but not because they didn't give answers, but because they just aren't as compelling on re-watch. They were amazing on first watch while keeping up with gaf live thread because every 5 minutes there was a OMG MEGATON moment and it was so much fun, but once you know how it ends season 5 and 6 become trivial and the mystery is gone. Still love Season 1-4 though.
Favorite show of all time, it's not the best though obviously but still my favorite because of the omg holy shit moments that happened in almost every single episode. This show grabbed me like none other. I really wish it could go on or something similar could be made again if only to share that live feeling with the gaf threads for each episode. It was like an event week after week.
I'm not too fond of season 5 and 6 in retrospect but not because they didn't give answers, but because they just aren't as compelling on re-watch. They were amazing on first watch while keeping up with gaf live thread because every 5 minutes there was a OMG MEGATON moment and it was so much fun, but once you know how it ends season 5 and 6 become trivial and the mystery is gone. Still love Season 1-4 though.
Favorite show of all time, it's not the best though obviously but still my favorite because of the omg holy shit moments that happened in almost every single episode. This show grabbed me like none other. I really wish it could go on or something similar could be made again if only to share that live feeling with the gaf threads for each episode. It was like an event week after week.
brandonh83
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The way I see it, most of the specific stuff like the numbers and so forth were answered, but the thing that they left a bit more ambiguously was the white light and taking into account everything we know, it's not terribly hard to come to a reasonable conclusion about that.
For the record I find that the last season is the most compelling one to watch apart from the first season. There were a couple of dud episodes but I felt the good far outweighed the bad.
Traitor. You'll never reach the light.
For the record I find that the last season is the most compelling one to watch apart from the first season. There were a couple of dud episodes but I felt the good far outweighed the bad.
Traitor. You'll never reach the light.
Anybody still whining about "the answers" should consider the Matrix-Architect analogy given by Lindelof in that verge interview. That moment destroyed Matrix's enigmatic feel for me whereas LOST still retains its charm.
2 years! wow! The only show I looked froward to watching each episode of.
2 years! wow! The only show I looked froward to watching each episode of.
The numbers weren't answered. Same thing for the rules, the motivations of the Others and their leaders, the cabin, the ancient (and impressive/magical) landmarks, etc.
Because you can make fun of that kind of stuff and go "c'mon, you guys! we can't have our characters sit around a campfire and just talk: that'd be terrible!"... and then do exactly that in your last episodes. Several times over.
(it was so worth it, too: "see, the whispers were dead people", "yup, that was me, and I wanted to help you find water, obviously", "it's all about protecting this important light from all those greedy people that can't find this place by themselves anyway", "I brought you here because I wanted you to replace me, and it took me three years to tell you that", ...)
Lost promised answers though. And his defense that people should have known they wouldn't deliver was ridiculous. The average viewer wouldn't be listening to his podcasts and reading interviews. The show itself never told the audience answers weren't coming, in fact it teased them all along.
And maybe Damon forgot about 'The New Man In Charge', it's amongst the most didactic storytelling I've ever seen.
Ah, but it also mocks the viewers who wanted answers by oh-so-subtly portraying them as pathetic dimwits on-screen.
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Actually a prequel would work better than a sequel IMHO. Tell a story from many hundreds of years ago, when the statue was still whole, maybe explain more about the temple and the catacombs under the island and how it all got there. Long before the Dharma initiative and the plane crash. It could have possibilities....
Yeah, it certainly shows plenty of viewer contempt, and I think that's fair given how trivial those long time questions were.
"Jacob has a thing for numbers" was all the explanation I needed for the numbers.
What motivations did you need apart from "protecting the island"?
What was confusing about the cabin?
I think everything was answered. The only thing that bothered me initially was the absence of some characters in the finale. Specifically Eko. But he was ultimately "bad", so...
"Fair", my ass... When they tease the numbers by saying in interviews that they can't explain why they picked those because it would reveal too much of the mythology, and then switch gears and mock the viewers who expected something, for example, that's hardly "fair" (even if those viewers were admittedly naive to trust the showrunners on that one in the first place).
Angry Fork
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None of that matters to the story that was going on though. By the end it was just about defeating the black smoke monster and getting off the island, why would I care about the motivation of the others when the show/story has gone past that already? It's misleading to say answers weren't given to those things, they just weren't answers you liked and whatever wasn't answered wasn't that serious.
If they never answered what the black smoke monster was, or what the hatch light was, or jacob etc. then those would be big deals but they answered everything I ever wondered about. I legitimately can't think of anything right now where I'm not sure except the pregnancy stuff which seemed to go nowhere. I don't remember what that was about.
Why were the numbers of the six remaining candidates sometime after Jacob crossed Kate's name out but before Ben killed Locke recurring here and there decades earlier already?
That's not an explanation, just another weird occurrence of the same 6 numbers.
Which is why there never was any conflict between the main characters and the Others or Widmore's goons...
It moved around, for one thing? Somewhat unusual, for a cabin...
The numbers sure mattered to Hugo, for instance. Once.
And are you really arguing the rules didn't matter?
Whah? Are you serious?
Generating easy drama around Claire, then Sun.
Same. Although I just tied the pregnancy stuff to the fact that the power beneath the island, be it the "light" or more likely electro-magnetic fields, fucked women up. After Sun got off the island, it didn't matter any more.
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Maybe you should reread that post. The New Man In Charge did not address the numbers. It discussed palette drops, polar bears, and the Hurley bird. Yes, I would say all of which were trivial.
brandonh83
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Okay.
Sorry, there was no way to tell whether "those long time questions" was referring to the questions addressed in that short specifically, or the questions the viewers wanted answered (from my post here)...
If you meant the former, considering the writers were the ones who picked the questions for those two DHARMA guys anyway, the word "strawman" comes to mind...
(Not that I'd consider the food drops "trivial", for example, since a great deal was made out of the island being magically out of reach.)
I don't get why he shits on the Architect in the Matrix when the answers his show gave in season 6 were just as bad.
I mean, Micheal just deciding to go "psst, Hurley" out of nowhere and explain what the whispers are? That was a terrible scene that also ruined one of their precious characters by making him the only one not to "move on" for some reason. Never mind that he only killed to get his son back, while people like Ben and Sayid get a happy ending even though they've done much worse.
I mean, Micheal just deciding to go "psst, Hurley" out of nowhere and explain what the whispers are? That was a terrible scene that also ruined one of their precious characters by making him the only one not to "move on" for some reason. Never mind that he only killed to get his son back, while people like Ben and Sayid get a happy ending even though they've done much worse.
And Kate, and Sawyer, and Locke...
Jacob had the ability to manipulate whatever factors he could in order to incorporate the numbers into the candidate's lives. And he did, cos he was a bit of a dick. *shrug*
Jack and Locke's exchange in There No Pllace Like Home Pt 2 sheds alot of light on the nature of the Others' behaviour. Withholding the truth (and thus lying, in spectacular fashion) is absolutely integral to the survival of the island.
On an island full of ghosts and a smoke monster, a moving hut that is supposed to house the supernatural king of the island isn't a concern of mine. It moved so that only those who were worthy could find it. The ash was security from the black smoke.
The numbers weren't explained?
Every candidate is assigned a number. 4815162342 are emphasized because they represent the last candidates. The motif of those numbers recurring throughout the show in different forms is to act as a signpost of those six's impending destiny.
Off the top of my head, there is only one thing in the show that went completely unexplained, insofar as it was neither specifically answered or given context clues that the viewer can piece together themselves -- that one thing being the cabin. It's pretty clear that when the writers came up with that, they hadn't finalized how they were going to characterize Jacob.
Every candidate is assigned a number. 4815162342 are emphasized because they represent the last candidates. The motif of those numbers recurring throughout the show in different forms is to act as a signpost of those six's impending destiny.
Off the top of my head, there is only one thing in the show that went completely unexplained, insofar as it was neither specifically answered or given context clues that the viewer can piece together themselves -- that one thing being the cabin. It's pretty clear that when the writers came up with that, they hadn't finalized how they were going to characterize Jacob.
Wind's Howling
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Ah, LOST.
Great first Season and after that it went downhill... fast..
Great first Season and after that it went downhill... fast..
I don't think we ever saw Jacob anywhere near the hut. It was made clear in the last series that MiB had been using it. But yeah, the visualization when Locke and Ben first went there sure was ambiguous?
... Why would he do that? What's the point?
And why those 6 numbers? What was so special about that point when there were 6 candidates left that those numbers actually traveled back in time (to somehow fix DHARMA's Swan blunder, among other things)?
For one thing, the Others did a bit more than lying to the crash survivors, unfortunately for them.
Then, while they did lie indeed, I find it a bit hard to connect the dots between the fake beards and the survival of the island.
And as for that scene between Jack and Locke, it was about another lie altogether, one that was supposed to... achieve... something, I guess. I mean, what was it? Were they really afraid people would believe their crazy stories? Or was the lie just intended for Widmore, i.e. the guy who knows damn well where they've been anyway?
I'm not sure what could be, then. Sounds like the writers got themselves a free pass.
Again, internal consistency, blah blah, just because it's fantasy / science fiction, blah blah...
Helpful when the cabin was out of gas, I imagine...
I explained that right above already (not the first time either, but hey)...
The "last" six candidates. Before some of them got crossed out. Those six, because.
(And yeah, those numbers were all around the place decades earlier already because that ties in so well with this whole thing about the candidates being given a choice...)
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