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Agreed. As an aside, I had no idea it was Guy Pearce until this thread.
How can it be conceptually flawed? It doesn't explicitly reveal several plot points but that was by choice.
There are characters that probably could have been better flushed out, events that required more attention, etc. but conceptually I don't know what is wrong with the story. I mean.. other than just not giving you the explicit answer to everything.
Barkley's Justice
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Thoughts:
Engineer in the very beginning - That seemed very ceremonious. I believe they dropped him off and that was his mission, to spread his DNA to the planet (contrary to the thought of him being a rogue agent of some sort.)
Also, of the engineers we saw, they looked damn-near the same...Clones?
Creating life / destroying life on planets appear to be their "reason" to exist? But then, if they share the same DNA as humans, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to expect they behave similarly (selfishly). So they likely have a reason for terraforming planets.
As to why they wanted to destroy earth: Perhaps the black goo infestation was so out of control, they needed a new planet to live on. Earth seemed a pretty good spot?
Engineer in the very beginning - That seemed very ceremonious. I believe they dropped him off and that was his mission, to spread his DNA to the planet (contrary to the thought of him being a rogue agent of some sort.)
Also, of the engineers we saw, they looked damn-near the same...Clones?
Creating life / destroying life on planets appear to be their "reason" to exist? But then, if they share the same DNA as humans, it wouldn't be too far-fetched to expect they behave similarly (selfishly). So they likely have a reason for terraforming planets.
As to why they wanted to destroy earth: Perhaps the black goo infestation was so out of control, they needed a new planet to live on. Earth seemed a pretty good spot?
lunchtoast
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Just got back from seeing it. The 3D was great, probably the best looking I've seen so far. I enjoyed the movie. Not much horror, but just a discovery movie. I very much felt a part of them discovering the spaceship. Also the scene when David activates the cockpit and is in the middle of the hologram. So good looking.
lunchtoast
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I loved the series and enjoyed this movie.
Karma Kramer
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Its amazing how polarizing this film is. I also loved the series and enjoyed this movie. Its the first space sci fi film I have seen in theaters that I can genuinely remember getting fully engaged with. Why is that? It's like after the Star Wars prequels no one even touched Space Sci Fi...
Joe Shlabotnik
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Karma Kramer
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A few people like Alien and Aliens? And when I say the series I mean Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Prometheus... Scott, Cameron and Fincher. Any other Alien film is for $$$ or at least wasn't made by one of the kings.
Spoony loved the Avengers and while its hard to compare that with Prometheus, looking back on the Avengers theres a lot less there. From a visual standpoint it is also less enthralling. Certainly had more laughs and stuff though, but overall Prometheus is the best film I have seen in theaters this year easily.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Say that two more times and you're going to summon Scullibundo.
Brolic Gaoler
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I think you're way off base here. You may not like the series, or even both movies, but many people like Alien and Aliens, and a lot of other people bought the 4 movie bundle.
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Yeah look at all the movies he has made, he's not just good with "cinematic imagery" as in the "visuals" but the whole package, including the themes. As he said, he doesn't write scripts because he feels it would take him way too long to get it right, he doesn't like the idea of doing that himself. That's perfectly fine. The problem is, with EVERY of his movies, it will be left to chance whether or not the movie will have a script that is of the same caliber as his direction, and then there is a good part which is often also affected by the theatrical cut.
Look at all of his movies, the above was always true. The quality of the scripts and dialogue always varied greatly. This isn't the case with Spielberg movies (except Indy 4, but how much of that was Lucas' I don't know). Cameron also has a better grasp. Scott either has difficulty in discerning a good script/dialogue, or simply doesn't feel too comfortable interfering too much with it.
So I just hope the next Prometheus will have a good writer.
The old man special effects were terrible looking in this film, I absolutely agree with you.
Karma Kramer
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Sometimes I wonder if I was just so high off weed during Prometheus that I overlooked all these problems people are having with it.
bob_arctor
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For me it's now: Prometheus, Alien, Aliens and that's it, with Alien still my favorite.
Generally speaking most people who like both Alien and Aliens still prefer one over the other. People who really love both equally are pretty rare, imo.
Sort of related to this, and on the subject of nerd reviewers, I really enjoyed the Cinema Snob's pair of reviews:
http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/midnight-screening-prometheus-6193548
http://blip.tv/the-cinema-snob/prometheus-re-review-6198893
The latter is basically comedy gold. Almost as good as his review of Tree of Life.
Scarecrow
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I've never gone back and forth so much in my mind whether or not I like or hate a movie as I have with this one.
I truly don't mind the whole space jesus angle. The past scenario could have easily not reflected the 'known' Jezo history. It could have been an event that was later used to shape a religion around, morphing the real events of what happened (much like what has happened to a bunch of history). I also find it funny how this seems like one of the only answers the film gives us to its questions, but everyone hates it. Can't imagine how pissed you all would be if they tried to give more answers.
What I'm most unsatisfied with is how much they tried to connect everything to the Xenomorph. They made the monster seem too important, like the Engineers were just aaaall about them. The xeno involvement should have began and ended with the mural in the movie. A brief easter egg for the fans. I would have been more comfortable with the black goo if it were just a mutation agent, not the start of what will always lead to the Alien.
I truly don't mind the whole space jesus angle. The past scenario could have easily not reflected the 'known' Jezo history. It could have been an event that was later used to shape a religion around, morphing the real events of what happened (much like what has happened to a bunch of history). I also find it funny how this seems like one of the only answers the film gives us to its questions, but everyone hates it. Can't imagine how pissed you all would be if they tried to give more answers.
What I'm most unsatisfied with is how much they tried to connect everything to the Xenomorph. They made the monster seem too important, like the Engineers were just aaaall about them. The xeno involvement should have began and ended with the mural in the movie. A brief easter egg for the fans. I would have been more comfortable with the black goo if it were just a mutation agent, not the start of what will always lead to the Alien.
Mato
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I like all of them. And I don't want to give people heart attacks but for many years my favorite was 3.
devilinanewdress
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Thoughts on the profoundly bad ending anyone?
Well, they did mistake the geologist for Holloway and couldn't figure out why the surgical suite was calibrated for male patients.
They didn't get why Vickers used an escape pod to get to the lifeboat. She had 40 seconds. They popped the lifeboat off and she used an escape pod because she didn't have enough time to run to the lifeboat.
Sequel hook, and thats about it.
Ollie Pooch
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Wouldn't it make more sense to just not do a painting at all?
The more I see the painting the more it looks more like "Those planets? Don't go there". The scientists/archeologists were dumb for assuming that it was an invitation.
Why put a tree of forbidden fruit in the garden?
The more I see the painting the more it looks more like "Those planets? Don't go there". The scientists/archeologists were dumb for assuming that it was an invitation.
I can accept almost all the 'dumb things people do' in this movie, seriously I can. But telling cavemen "don't go to those stars over there" in the hopes they will somehow convey that it's a warning to their great great great great great great great great ... great grandchildren, when they're capable of spaceflight, through cave paintings is just too dumb to imagine anyone ever writing.
Because it was a test. That's different from a warning.
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The only thing that seriously annoyed me is the possessed dude. Like, first, why was he possessed? Second, why does no one mention him or talk about him after he like, kills half the crew?
There were some smaller decisions but that's really what made me go "OK yeah, this doesn't deserve a 90% RT, glad it didn't get it."
There were some smaller decisions but that's really what made me go "OK yeah, this doesn't deserve a 90% RT, glad it didn't get it."
I think I'm going to be sick.
TUROK
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He fell face-first into the black goo after his mask melted.
Messypandas
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"And now that you where to go... don't go."
God wouldn't need to test a being he created if he was infallible. There was a warning, though. "Don't eat the fruit!" Which was completely unnecessary since the fruit didn't need to be there in the first place.
ThatObviousUser
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But as the first scene showed the black goo just causes early-onset osteoporosis. Then all of a sudden it makes dudes possessed, but still intelligent enough to walk right back outside the ship, then start killing all the dudes?
The more I see the painting the more it looks more like "Those planets? Don't go there". The scientists/archeologists were dumb for assuming that it was an invitation.
Yes, because stone age people were definitely concerned about you cruising a few hundred light years away.
I like to imagine that he rolled back like an armadillo.
Maybe he was partially mutated. The first time they enter the vase chamber they show that it there are worm-like creatures in the ground, which the sensors do not pick up as life-signs for some reason. These worms are presumably mutated into the alien penises seen later.
CartridgeBlower
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This story is a mess because they tried taking Spaihts version and changing it to make it its own franchise, but still keep many of his major story beats (hence his shared credit). I'm talking about stuff like like the paintings on walls -- which supposedly made more sense in his version, where the Engineers were friendly and wanted humans to come visit.
The script is a problematic mash-up and it shows. There is no clear structure or spine to the story, and too many fragments that end up going nowhere.
The script is a problematic mash-up and it shows. There is no clear structure or spine to the story, and too many fragments that end up going nowhere.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Now don't you eat this pie!
I know this was linked earlier, but I only just how had a chance to see it.
Red Letter Media has a few questions about Prometheus. Pretty much spot on.
Red Letter Media has a few questions about Prometheus. Pretty much spot on.
Brolic Gaoler
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Glad you finally got to see it.
I'm still really holding out hope for a directors cut that turns this into a gem.
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The more I see the painting the more it looks more like "Those planets? Don't go there". The scientists/archeologists were dumb for assuming that it was an invitation.
Maybe this particular one, but there is the Incan carving that is actually a real-life carving to which they just added the constellation, and that carving has always been know as the Incan cosmonaut because the guy seems to be setting in a flying machine.
I don't really know what you're arguing at this point. Are you looking for a theological debate? Because that'll be at least $10.
But so is "Go to these stars, my Children, where your death trap awaits you" when they can just bomb us with those vials from the sky above. Ditto with "Go and visit us, my Children and here are the co-ordinates, which hopefully one of your descendant can decode ten thousand years down in the future" when they can just visit us since they apparently have been visiting us regularly.
indigo-cyclops
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Maybe this particular one, but there is the Incan carving that is actually a real-life carving to which they just added the constellation, and that carving has always been know as the Incan cosmonaut because the guy seems to be setting in a flying machine.
Don't mean to call you out but isn't that Mayan king Pacal?
Joe Shlabotnik
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Theoretically, they could have just been saying "We're from here" and pointing to that constellation in the sky, without it specifically being an invitation or warning or trap or whatever.
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