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Yup. Considering what we've seen from the franchise it's a rather silly argument.
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Yup. Considering what we've seen from the franchise it's a rather silly argument.
ThoseDeafMutes
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Yeah, mass-from-nowhere is old news for xenos.
I'd love to do an OT for Alien and have everyone dissect the inconcistencies and characters in it like they have in this thread.
And yeah, the xeno grew on it's own without eating anything in Alien. Rapid gestation and growth has always been a hallmark of the franchise.
Same. And yet it's constantly presented as some sort of slam-dunk example of the film's stupidity. I just assumed Shaw was closer to the edge of the craft. I mean, she barely escaped it herself.
Even ignoring her stupid behaviour the whole thing just looked silly. Giant rolling spaceship with girl running away from it then getting crushed.
Vickers' death was cartoonish, made even funnier by how much they'd wasted that character in the film already.
Good luck.
How does something survive and grow without sustenance?
I can't speak for anyone else but I'm not complaining simply because it grew but rather that it conveniently grew to just the right size to take on an Engineer and win, just in time to save momma. Consider it the icing on the cake made of too much lazy plot development throughout the movie prior.
I think everyone has granted the Alien franchise plenty of leeway on xenomorph metabolism and growth rates but that's always been helped in the past by the fact that the xenomorph escapes out into a larger environment where one can more comfortably assume they found sustenance somewhere. But in this instance that one thread allowing for rational explanation is removed.
I understand your larger point. One gets that sense that Scott didn't burn too many calories trying to keep the characters and their motivations consistent throughout the film. This is probably a valid criticism of his films in general.
Not to mention Engineer turning nasty purely so he could go and find Shaw to get raped by the convenient giant squid to set up the poor final scene.
Everything in Prometheus was just jump us from one plot point to the next without letting motives, common-sense or logic get in the way.
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I don't really have much of an issue with alien growth cycles not being realistic. That totally falls into "who cares" territory for me because it's a fucking alien. As long as it is internally consistent, it's not a problem. There are much more serious issues with the narrative than wondering how Mr Tentacles grew so large in few hours. If you want to approach it scientifically, there are possible explanations too. For example, it could already have stored up energy from feeding while inside Shaw's womb, and it would be enough to power it into full growth even after being removed.
I think it is entirely plausible that it found food on the Prometheus/pod and this is what I believe. Would the movie have been better if they had presented a scene of it getting into the ship's food storage?
I don't know. How did it happen in Alien?
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I'm being sarcastic. Doing an OT to be critical of a movie that I love that much, but is over 30 years old? Yeah, not happening. I accept that there are problems in the movie but it's part of what makes it special to me, I suppose.
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Well, see, Alien doesn't have "I love rocks. I really really love rocks!" or "I know you guys are ready! WOOO!" or "You know I am really ashamed to count you among us!" or "Are you smoking in your helmet?!" or "No.....FATHER!!!" or "Look, I'm not here to talk" or "I'm not here to get laid" or basically half of the entire script of Prometheus.
Alien has "right" and "the food ain't that bad baby ;D"
Now if you want to bring up Alien Resurrection, I can go on for two full Neogaf pages about that...."this taste likes battery acid!!! (said in the most annoying fucking voice ever)"
But I would love an Alien OT. It's a fun movie to discuss. The sequels too.
ThoseDeafMutes
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By cutting away then cutting back later
Have you not watched this series at all?
Speedymanic
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Damn shame if we don't get the same level for at least TDKR. Should be interesting discussing all three movies and the general themes that play through all of them.
I like this theory, makes sense that it'd store up energy as it can't be certain it will be able to 'eat' when it's 'born'.
Again, or it could have just eaten the food on the ship. An entirely plausible explanation that did not been to be depicted.
Speedymanic
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It's possible, but theory that it stores up energy makes a lot of sense as it also explains how the Alien in Alien 1 grows without any readily available food sources.
But there's no food "on the ship" since it's locked inside the auto-doc room. Unless of course it ate those two missing crew members who weren't accounted for.
The chestburster from Alien grew to being human sized before eating any of the crew. It continued to grow afterwards, but it was significantly larger than chestburster size when it ate the first of the crew. It looked like "adolescent xenomorph" size.
Speedymanic
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Except the Alien in the first movie didn't eat anything until after it had fully developed. An old script might say it did but it's not referenced in the movie or anywhere by the writers, director, etc.
Speedymanic
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But there's no food "on the ship" since it's locked inside the auto-doc room. Unless of course it ate those two missing crew members who weren't accounted for.
Wasn't the room covered in blood? Maybe weyland sent them in there to try and capture it and it got out/killed them...but then why not implant them with the deacon?
Thank you.
It really seems like some people haven't actually seen Alien, and are bitching about the movie without understanding shit about how things worked in the previous entries in the series.
Spectral Glider
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Maybe it's just from the magical goo....it can do whatever the fuck it wants whenever it wants. The more I think about it, the more I hate this movie because of the magical goo. It's like the fuckin stupid mood slime from Ghostbusters II. I'm almost surprised that the end of the movie didn't have Fassbender dancing to Singing in the Rain just to put everyone and everything in a better mood.
Sickboy007
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Uh, i thought the giant chestbuster killed the two lab technician that tried to restrain Shaw.
After waking up, they went into the lab and were mauled by it. Remember the blood splatter on the inside of the lab door?
The chestbuster size really isn't a problem anyway. It was growing the moment Shaw pulled it from her abdomen.
After waking up, they went into the lab and were mauled by it. Remember the blood splatter on the inside of the lab door?
The chestbuster size really isn't a problem anyway. It was growing the moment Shaw pulled it from her abdomen.
Yes, because forgetting a detail of a film must surely mean one has never seen it!
For the record, I haven't seen Alien since about 2004 or Aliens since about 2006. Never seen 3 or 4.
If that is the case, my mistake. Just means its a dumb thing carried through the series then.
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We never see the thing Shah has removed from her body do anything after it's removed...and she's alone in that room during that whole event.
One of the techs who came to get her is the Scottish woman who is in the next scene with the Weyland reveal, so she's not eaten (at least not at that point).
I don't think we have any reason to believe that that thing ate anybody, and was just alone in the room the whole time.
Speedymanic
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The goo is nanomachines. It appears to contain a mechanical element when it's on David's finger.
Will be interesting to see it blown up when the BR is released.
I suppose this is a reasonable explanation as well. I guess my broader point is that I don't consider the growth to be another one of the dreaded "plot holes".
I still don't think it is unreasonable to believe that there is food (or at least some form of sustenance) in there, though I guess I was wrong in originally saying that it could have gotten into the food in the rest of the ship.But there's no food "on the ship" since it's locked inside the auto-doc room. Unless of course it ate those two missing crew members who weren't accounted for.
Lol, regarding the extra crew members. I had just assumed that they had all been accounted for in some way. I guess it sucks for them that Stringer Bell decided to kamikaze the Juggernaut (or that they got eaten).
Finally, the MGS4 movie we deserve.
Yeah, she came out of left field for me. After the briefing scene, I went on thinking that pretty much all the characters were just fodder for whatever alien threat was to come...except for Samus..err.. Vickers and David. So when the film started to beat me over the head with Noomi doing her best to channel Ripley, I just felt like "Oh...why am I not cheering for her?"
Then I just felt disappointed that the more interesting human character (Vickers) apparently had a very ineffectual role in the grand scheme of things. Also, chaos or not, who the fuck keeps running straight for a quarter mile in a situation like that? At a certain point someone is bound to realize that this isn't working, but Vickers "I see nothing wrong with this plan, I'll just keep running in the same direction."
If the ship had simply broken up and resulted in a chuck of it unavoidably falling on Vickers, that would have averted my eye rolling reaction.
This thread is moving too fast.
I am now inclined to believe that it at least ate someone. The blood got there somehow.
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Sickboy007
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Maybe it didn't eat anybody, but that thing on the door definitely looked like human blood.
ThoseDeafMutes
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No, that doesn't make sense scientifically. When you put on mass, you have to actually have consumed that mass at some point (actually you've consumed waaaay more mass than you put on, with some of it becoming food energy and some of it being shat and pissed out as waste). Even if you assume that the aliens have magical metabolisms that produce no waste product, it still needs to consume, at minimum, the mass it has to put on in order to put it on.
Unless Shaw ate 260KGs of Surf n' Turf during the couple of hours of her pregnancy, that's a no-go. The alien fetus would also have the same mass as its future larger version, condensed significantly to make this possible. Unless they have 4-dimensional vaginas for them to hide it all, of course.
Couldn't the blood just have been from the alien itself? It was removed from her womb after a C-section. Even though she tried to freeze it after that, there was still blood all over. When it eventually recovered and started growing again, it would no doubt try to move around the room and get out of the door. Failing which the tentacles would just smear blood all over the windows.
Dude, it's a fucking alien. The same thing happens in all the movies.
Sickboy007
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That's a possibility.
Ultimately it doesn't matter too much. If it ate someone, it was a member of the crew that was inconsequential, and if it didn't, rapid growth without any sustenance has been a thing since Alien.
Let's not go apeshit here.
After Prometheus I've got a new favourite Alien character.
Shah left the room pretty bloody...
These are good points too.
Exactly
Space cobra? Yeah, I'm a big space cobra fan myself.
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