I don't think any of those screens are a particularly impressive leap over their Xbox equivalents. PDZ looks hideous and using PGR3 photo mode is a bit misleading, it doesn't look as nice during gameplay. You're right though, you'll see a few fancy lighting effects, textures or shaders on the launch games but they will be distinctly current generation experiences underneath, that's always the case.
Star Wars 1313: Are these kinds of graphics prowess what we can expect from Next-Gen?
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I don't think any of those screens are a particularly impressive leap over their Xbox equivalents. PDZ looks hideous and using PGR3 photo mode is a bit misleading, it doesn't look as nice during gameplay. You're right though, you'll see a few fancy lighting effects, textures or shaders on the launch games but they will be distinctly current generation experiences underneath, that's always the case.
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Announced for PC and they where not allowed to talk about it beyond that, so expect nextbox/ps4, maybe wii u even.
FunkyMunkey
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It's not really baseless when you consider that the next gen consoles will need to be affordable. I doubt anyone(Sony) is going to tread into $500-600 console price ranges, which leaves expecting a (probably) near-$400 machine to pump out the fidelity SW1313 showed, at 1080p, at launch(edit: I'm kind of bunching Watch Dogs in with this too). Very high expectations and not really reasonable imo, unless next gen consoles are still 3 years away.
The only reason I mentioned PCs and computer parts is because they've always been a decent gauge to predict price/power of next gen consoles. Same with iPads, Microsoft Surface, and a ton of other electronics.
4gb of fast ram is pretty much best case scenario, and that console configuration will require PC gamers to buy 16gb of [slow] ddr3 ram.
I'd hope we can expect a lot more from next-gen than a slightly more pretty corridor shooter. At that level of (non-)interactivity, I want something as good as the Agni's Philosophy demo, which impressed me a lot more graphically.
Watch_Dogs is a different matter, if open world games can reach that level of fidelity on consoles I'll be suitably impressed. The PC versions will be great.
Watch_Dogs is a different matter, if open world games can reach that level of fidelity on consoles I'll be suitably impressed. The PC versions will be great.
This makes no sense in any way, shape or form.
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The other platforms haven't been announced because the other platforms haven't been announced.
nelsonroyale
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Visually I have no doubt that games should be able to pass WD and 1313 by a fairly large margin nex gen...but in WD what was most impressive was the seemlessness of the action...which was obviously heavily orchestrated and scripted. I doubt the actual game will play out nearly as slickly as it did in the walkthrough
TheChocolateWar
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Yeah seriously, 4 gigs is a lot for console games. Its not like we have huge sprawling, open ended worlds with amazing draw distances and tons of physics/geometry going on like on the PC. 4 gigs is plenty.
chickdigger802
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well... let's say not every game studio got an Academy award winning movie special effects studio for help. Probably got some crazy pipelines over there.
I'm still curious how their work could translate to videogames though.
Next-gen platforms can handle it, of course. It just might not be at the same fidelity as on PC.
It's just a tech demo right now anyway, it might end up like the Indiana Jones demo for 360.
iamshadowlark
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Well yeah I think being able to have a in-company CG house provide assets is a huge advantage.
Passed a certain point I don't care about graphics. I wasn't impressed by Star Wars 1313. It'll probably just be a pretty corridor shooter. Watch Dogs was more impressive but the most interesting part was the shooting part where there was real gameplay. If the gameplay doesn't evolve, a Wii U is more than enough graphics-wise.
eso76
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man, Kameo and PGR3 were a rather huge leap over xbox1 games even played on a SDTV.
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Ivory Samoan
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I'm actually starting to get excited about the next-gen...
New Shiny Things.
New Shiny Things.
Bluemercury
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you dont have these right now, and makes you believe you will have it with even more focus to graphics?
iamshadowlark
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The only real advantage to having ILM is that they have a very capable studio to deliver high res 3D assets in a timely fashion. Other companies will have to hire a few more artists but cg type models aren't really beyond the average modeler.
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Oh so their R&D team is meaningless?
The clips shown of 1313 reminded me very much of a sci-fi version of Uncharted 2/3 - very cinematic, shaky cam, beautiful but staged settings. so I have no doubt we'll see similar quality on next gen consoles.
Maybe 720p which would be fine with good AA etc, but I still think we'll see 1313 level at 1080p too.
iamshadowlark
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R&D would be on the technical side of the house and Sony has some of the best programmers in the business.
shinobi602
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Lol I doubt that.
What are you smoking?
4GB of DDR4 is probably the best scenario we could've expected
in a nutshell. nicely put.
SquiddyCracker
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My hunch is that Star Wars 1313 (with the graphical fidelity displayed on E3) represent mid-to-end cycle games of the next-generation.
In technology terms, I'm pretty sure a next-gen system is quite capable of meeting the requirements for those games in a console form factor.
My big burning question is where things stand in economic terms, and what the *opposition* does. I'm not sure any console manufacturer would want to be stuck being the *only* superpowerful console; there's little incentive for third parties to support an outlier.
Right now, I think the best tactic for a given console manufacturer would be to develop and release a system intended to present the least risk to third parties. That's a tricky tightrope to walk; you need to distinguish yourself enough from what's currently available in order to inspire people to upgrade, but you also need to present a secure environment in which third parties can make a profit.
I don't think we'll truly know what the 'right' decision was until maybe a year into the life of the final one of the three to release. Right now there's lots of things to speculate about but until we've seen games be successful - or otherwise - we can't be sure what option creates the healthiest environment for sales.
My big burning question is where things stand in economic terms, and what the *opposition* does. I'm not sure any console manufacturer would want to be stuck being the *only* superpowerful console; there's little incentive for third parties to support an outlier.
Right now, I think the best tactic for a given console manufacturer would be to develop and release a system intended to present the least risk to third parties. That's a tricky tightrope to walk; you need to distinguish yourself enough from what's currently available in order to inspire people to upgrade, but you also need to present a secure environment in which third parties can make a profit.
I don't think we'll truly know what the 'right' decision was until maybe a year into the life of the final one of the three to release. Right now there's lots of things to speculate about but until we've seen games be successful - or otherwise - we can't be sure what option creates the healthiest environment for sales.
Black_Stride
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Nah people with $1000 dollar PCs know they can run 1313.
The demo was running on an i7 + GTX680 combo....thats pretty much what the $1000 PC crowd is running these days.
By the time the game is finished chances are they would have optimized it better.
I highly highly doubt Launch titles will be at 1313 levels, maybe sometime after devs have had a chance to actually work with the consoles more like in maybe 2/3 years into the cycle we will have 1313 as standard for decent budget games
Id say early mid cycle as in about 2 - 3 years after launch.
Considering 1313s engine is a heavily modified version of the UE3 engine and UE4 is Next gen ready i think games will catch up and overtake 1313 pretty quickly.
MMaRsu
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lol u do know 360 has 512mb right?
Black_Stride
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Haha you are funny.
For a second there i thought you were being serious.
Hahaha, good one Cyborg.
I would not expect games to look quite as good as star wars did because it was running on the highest of PC cards right now. Next gen consoles are not going to be rocking gtx 680s or 690s, so you're naturally going to have reduced effects though maybe the resolution drop down to 720p would be enough for the next gen consoles to run it at 30fps. I think that's being generous though especially for a launch title on unfamiliar consoles.
That or 2GB was the most realistic. I think people wanting 6 or 8 are on something fierce.
I only expect these graphics when developers put in the effort and skills necessary. Doesn't matter if it was 5 years, now or in 5 years the same requirement is always needed.
diffusionx
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I don't think Lucasarts would be making 1313 look like that if they didn't think the next generation of consoles could run it.
Early development on new consoles is usually done targetting PCs with similar specs, before the dev hardware is finalized. I think it's a safe bet that 1313 is slated for the new hardware and will look like what we saw.
Early development on new consoles is usually done targetting PCs with similar specs, before the dev hardware is finalized. I think it's a safe bet that 1313 is slated for the new hardware and will look like what we saw.
Joe Shlabotnik
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Pipelines of what? The game has to run on a game engine. RANGO wasn't being generated in real time in the movie theater.
Huevos de Oro
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I'd say yes, but I'm not sure we can expect such a visual upgrade from the first batch of games, what with developers getting used to work with the new systems and all. However, to consider things such as SW1313 and Watch Dogs as targets for what the next generation has to offer is a reasonable expectation.
SillyEskimo
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Xbox to 360 was a very large leap just for the HD alone. Either your memory is selective or you need to get your eyes checked.
Comparing the cost of custom built PCs and the cost of consoles isn't completely valid anyhow. PC components are all sold for a healthy profit. New consoles are usually sold for a loss.
shinobi602
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Kameo is still an amazing looking 360 title..
We got this at launch..
I would say yeah these are the games you could expect at launch imo. SHOULD be too.
Damn it, you made me want to load up Kameo again.
Ugh *reinstalls*
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How well did Kameo run?
I always remember how people drool over games at E3 and then after a few years they disappear, or change completely, or get to be released, but are so lame people forget about then a few weeks later.
You´re all dying for Star Wars 1313 now, but really, it looks like every game out there. Is it a little bit prettier? Yes. But that´s all. This is one hype train i wont get into.
You´re all dying for Star Wars 1313 now, but really, it looks like every game out there. Is it a little bit prettier? Yes. But that´s all. This is one hype train i wont get into.
Dark Octave
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Exactly. It looked ok but I expect a lot more from games once the next gen is a couple of years in.
Very consistently. It ran at a stable 30 fps throughout at 1280x720.
Perfect Dark Zero, on the other hand, was sub-HD and filled to the brim with tearing and slowdown.
Kameo was also the first game to sell me on plasma technology. I first played it back in 2005 at the XBOX360 building that was briefly setup in Tokyo. They were using Pioneer plasmas for some of the main titles and I was completely floored. Up until that point I only had experience with LCD based flat panels. The difference was truly night and day. I purchased my first plasma in 2006 as a result.
Black_Stride
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Ohhhhkay?
Not sure what the point of your post is but i was simply stating that the game as is right now is running on a thousand dollar PC.
And im sure NextGen consoles probably wont be able to replicate what a GTX680 can produce at launch considering 1313 is probably pushing a single GTX680 pretty hard.
But down the line im sure devs will find a way to get 1313 level graphics out of the nextgen machines.
MMaRsu
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Flawless.