That sent minor flags going through my head but the visuals distracted me. Never again.
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That sent minor flags going through my head but the visuals distracted me. Never again.
Human physiology and Engineer physiology are the same too.
SquiddyCracker
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I have a feeling that they're not quite identical.
Sure the DNA is a match, but they look wildly different which might explain the goo working differently on the two species.
At the very start of the movie, we see the goo pretty much eat the Engineer up from the inside in a matter of seconds. In humans though, it seems to work completely differently. Boyfriend scientist became an incubator to tiny little worms (nowhere to be seen in the Engineer) and the geologist turned into a zombie.
That's why I think the goo was originally/primarily intended as a weapon against Engineers.
What I got from the beginning of the movie was that when the engineer ate it, it broke down his body, then re-assembled his DNA and acted as a catalyst to create the human race. So it makes no sense to me that it would be a weapon.
Both of these make sense, and if that a hour had been given to expand on these it could have been much better. but they just wanteed the bay version
Thats the only part that makes me laugh at the movie, I know, suspension of disbelief and all that, but thats simply not the way DNA works. Now, I can buy a goo that mutates it, but that the DNA broke down and reassembled and created humans is just so freaking dumb. I always wonder what this people think about DNA, they really have no clue about how it functions.
Zombie James
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Best part: "Were all going to have to wait for the Directors cut to see if the conversation between the Engineer and David and there was indeed originally a conversation, not merely an utterance from David yields any fruit.- Dr. Anil Biltoo"
Most likely, the post-Jesus date was just a mistake (among many)...
I mean...
When a movie manages to get shit like that wrong...
Ether_Snake
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Hahaha wow.
Messypandas
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maybe they were on Centaurian time
indigo-cyclops
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Dear god I hadn't noticed that...
I just saw it, and I really agree with this. There's a good movie in there, but it is contaminated with stupid.
Messypandas
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whats contentious about the post-jesus date?
Tokubetsu
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Yeah, then you add the fact that he was acting surprised that it was breaking down his body. So it outright kills/breaks Engineers down to an extremely base level but makes everything else stronger/bigger?
Joe Shlabotnik
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They took off for Earth to try to wipe us out 2000 years ago, had a bioweapon experiment go horribly awry, and then... visited us again 600 years later?
The movie hints (and Lindelof confirmed) that the Engineers changed their minds and became mad at mankind around 2000 years before the events of the movie (but there was that outbreak on LV-223, so the ships never left for Earth after all, and... that was it, apparently?). Would be a bit weird for them to still be visiting Earth and inviting its inhabitants after that...
THIS!
Oooh, a weird alien snake! Let me go right up to it and touch it! Look at that, it's hissing at me! That means it's loves me, let me get closer to it!
I'm a biologist.
Ollie Pooch
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I think he refers to it as "Darling" too. Or Sweetie. or something like that.
Escape Goat
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"Its...afraid."
Robot Pants
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Dude, EXACTLY!
None of the motivations for the characters were realistic at all, nor did they make sense in some parts.
The geologist getting lost in the circular cave even when he had the PUPS monitoring the place. The biologist taunting the GIANT WORM ON AN ALIEN PLANET THAT JUST CAME OUT OF BLACK GOO, Holloway just seemingly giving up for no reason and wanting to be killed by a FLAMETHROWER. I mean... come on.
But it was an emotional scene! 'Cause we came to care so much about that douche!
I'd agree with your other points, but you're completely wrong about this.
The guy knew he was totally fucked, and at that point he probably wanted to die as quickly as possible. There's a reason protocols like that exist, and he was the shining example.
If anything, he saved the crew from making the same foolish mistake that the Nostromo crew would make about 30 years layer.
I'm ok with that scene - that Engineer took a significant dose of it, orally. Fish-eye guy was infected with a trace amount. Zombie guy by some touch, but certainly not the same quantity or in the same manner.
If the DNA is the same, then they share the same physiology (humans have significant visible superficial variance amongst our species). If there is something else at work, then again that leads towards there being "magic" in the mix.
Something people haven't really been taking into account is the method and quantities involved.
Drinking a cup of goo all at once is likely going to have a different effect than consuming a barely imperceptible quantity. And ultimately, boyfriend scientist exhibited the same tissue degradation as the Engineer after a couple of hours, after the goo presumably had time to incubate/multiply (the worm may have in fact been a mutated common skin parasite). I don't see them as being ultimately that different reactions.
Geologist may have turned zombie because the goo was absorbed through the face/skull (directly into the brain?) and potentially mixed with snake DNA. This goo effect made the least sense of the film anyway given how different it was to every single other example.
Of course, there are so many inconsistencies and scientific crimes in the movie, it is difficult to know what is intentional and what is not.
Edit: beaten by r1chard
I loved the fact that they didn't even try to write most of the characters as "lovable". Holloway was a douche.
maybe it was a different group? another ship had a bunch of xenomorph eggs ready to go, and that was found about 30 years after prometheus takes place.
I hate this argument. Real people aren't likable, why the fuck should movie people be likable? They just need to be interesting and relatable, not fucking likable.
Nappuccino
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but he was suffering from claustrophobia in that suit (it seems that way, anyway) which makes him more sympathetic.
I don't know, I liked him well enough. Even if he was kind of a douche to David (you know, the one who more or less gets everyone killed)
Nappuccino
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And?
There was absolutely no consequence to taking the helmet off.
Sure, it wasn't the best idea but it had no direct consequences in and of itself.
B_Rik_Schitthaus
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Bug, Dead Ringers, Dark Water (original), The thing, Alien, I saw the Devil, Man Hunter.
For me that takes away from Shaw, all someone needs to be with her is to blindly follow her stupid shit and be attractive?
"And?" Why not say originally that it wasn't the best idea.. but there were no consequences?
My response was to you saying he was claustrophobic. So theres no and to follow up with.
Nappuccino
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Ah. But even if the rest of the crew was telling him not to do it, if he was getting claustrophobic/on the verge of a panic attack (which the dialog implies he was) then he isn't going to listen to them about it.
What is stupid is the rest of the crew taking off their helmets considering they have no idea what sort of bacteria/viruses/microbes he'd breathed in that would affect him later.
Yeah, I agree with this. His motivation was pretty clear for wanting her to fry him.
The others are definitely inexplicable and you can't just lay that on bad writing. Ridley as director should have realized that those situations were nonsensical and either shot the scene differently or had it rewritten in a more logical fashion.
Speedymanic
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I don't mind pointing out mistakes, etc, but the level of nitpicking is becoming beyond pathetic now.
We can look at any number of movies that are regarded as movie classics and they'll have their far share of idiotic mistakes, but we don't dismantle the anywhere near as much as some are doing with Prome.
We get it guys, you hated it, constantly pointing out every tiny little error/mistake is becoming very annoying and dragging this thread down.
I hate putting people on ignore, but it's fast reaching that point as the alternative is to have to read through posts of inane garbage of them complaining about the most stupidest shit that all movies suffer from.
We can look at any number of movies that are regarded as movie classics and they'll have their far share of idiotic mistakes, but we don't dismantle the anywhere near as much as some are doing with Prome.
We get it guys, you hated it, constantly pointing out every tiny little error/mistake is becoming very annoying and dragging this thread down.
I hate putting people on ignore, but it's fast reaching that point as the alternative is to have to read through posts of inane garbage of them complaining about the most stupidest shit that all movies suffer from.
Nappuccino
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you were focusing on Halloway and how stupid it was that he took off his helmet. I don't mind reiterating your own points for a discussion when that is a much bigger issue if we're debating stupidity.
Ah, no. My opinion is that they are all morons, the entire crew. So theres nothing to relate to as a viewer.
Nappuccino
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Welcome to my experience with Aliens.
However, I don't think this movie needed relate-able characters. It's more concerned with bigger questions instead of keeping you tense and on the edge of your seat. One requires you to care about abstract ideas. The other about characters.
In this case, relate-able characters don't make for necessary pieces to the puzzle. Though, they would have been nice to have. (But I do still like Shaw, the Captain, and David regardless)
SCULLIBUNDO
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The characters in Aliens still handle themselves professionally and would have killed the shit out of those Engineers, if they ever woke them at all.
SquiddyCracker
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I wish they had explored the whole creation-creator aspect with the android-human-engineer trifecta.
Also, I keep wondering if cutting out on the zombie crap might have streamlined the movie more, but then I realized that the zombie attack was required to give the captain a reason to suicide bomb his ship.
Might have been better to turn Holloway into a zombie, and just have him attack everyone.
They also reacted to one anothers deaths, injuries... lines... plot points, and script.
Well so did alien.. alien 3, avp.. actually. most movies have characters interact with one another.
Nappuccino
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Eh- they probably would have been so confused at what was happening that they'd shoot each other. But this is really neither here nor there because we can't really assume how one set of characters would react to a situation that never even came close to happening in their original movie.
SCULLIBUNDO
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I don't want to get back into the awful cycle of this thread. I just needed to point out that the characters in Aliens would make mince meat out of those pasty bald fucks.
Because that made a lot of sense.
I honestly can't remember: Did Shaw and the crew take weapons with them went they went back for the THIRD time to wake the Engineer? I mean, they knew that there was danger this time around.
Because that made a lot of sense.
I honestly can't remember: Did Shaw and the crew take weapons with them went they went back for the THIRD time to wake the Engineer? I mean, they knew that there was danger this time around.
Nappuccino
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The zombie attack itself was good stuff. The context was a bit odd (which is rectified when you see that Fifield was original supposed to be morphing into a xenomorph of sorts).
What would have streamlined the movie would have been them only returning to the alien structures once.
Nappuccino
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It was a mostly sarcastic point about their stupidity and based on how one of them lit another on fire during the main attack.
Also how they nearly shot a little girl in the face.
Speedymanic
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So much so they start shooting live rounds in an area that's likely to blow up if they hit the wrong pipe? Yup, that's what I expect from highly skilled soldiers.
Or maybe it was their amazing decision for all the soldiers to go down to look for the colonists. Yup, that sure was smart thinking.
Or their decision to hand one guy all their ammo/grenades instead of just unloading their weapons and holstering their ammo. Yup, screams professional.
That's just a sample of their supposed 'professionalism'.
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