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[mblitek]

Is it just me or has this been one of the most interesting seasons in recent memory (5-ish years)?

The revival of Honda as Brawn was amazing with the whole double DRS. It was the first time the tables were completely flipped. People had written off both Jenson & Rubens as well as Honda.

But this is damn awesome, especially in the constructors!

Edit: Appropriate new page topic!

 

[DrM]

Why is Ferrari even bothering with two cars?

 

[mblitek]

Why is Ferrari even bothering with two cars?

To hold up traffic for Alonso obviously.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

To hold up traffic for Alonso obviously.

I'm sure Marussia is livid.

 

[brotkasten]

Why is Ferrari even bothering with two cars?

I wish I could say "more screen time on TV for the sponsors", but yesterday it felt like even Button was more present when I watched the race.

 

[Manp]

Could have been another Tom Pryce/Frederik Jansen Van Vuuren tragedy.

Don't look it up it, lest you want to see a teenage marshalls body disintegrate in front of your eyes and see body parts scattered everywhere.

sweet lord the video was shocking. even more after reading about it on wikipedia.

i had no idea this even happened.

 

[AcridMeat]

I wish I could say "more screen time on TV for the sponsors", but yesterday it felt like even Button was more present when I watched the race.

I laughed so hard at Alonso finishing with Massa behind. Now that's some airtime for Ferrari!

Oh they got a 1-2! No, wait, no...

 

[Dilly]

I laughed so hard at Alonso finishing with Massa behind. Now that's some airtime for Ferrari!

Oh they got a 1-2! No, wait, no...

I think it was exactly the same with Alonso's first win, with Massa crossing the line just after him.

Could also be another GP, but it's certainly not the first time it happened.

-edit-

Yeah, it was somewhere else.

 

[Massa]

Why is Ferrari even bothering with two cars?

Because they need one for Kobayashi's target practice?

 

[brotkasten]

I think it was exactly the same with Alonso's first win, with Massa crossing the line just after him.

Could also be another GP, but it's certainly not the first time it happened.

-edit-

Yeah, it was somewhere else.

It was very close in Malaysia. You could see Massa crossing the line few hundred meters before Alonso. One lap more and he would've lapped him.

It was the Spanish GP where Alonso lapped Massa.

 

[criesofthepast]

Can someone explain the rules and why the Hamilton incident was completely Maldonados fault? I have thoughts on this but I don't know the rules regarding racing lines and what rights Hamilton had in that situation etc.

With not knowing much of the rules my judgement is that Hamiltons ego and Maldonados wrecklessness are both equally at fault. But the complete blame I'm seeing on here towards Maldonado I just don't get right now.

Why didn't Hamilton let him pass if he was obviously struggling with his tyres and wasn't going to hold off Maldo for another 2 laps?

 

[Septimius]

I think the short answer is that Maldonado was four wheels off of the race-track (white line), and so he should've yielded. Then again, I think it was completely unfair by Hamilton to push him that hard, so I don't agree with it. We saw probably 20-30 other overtakes there done the same way, none of which ended that way. This could've been avoided if Hamilton didn't push Maldonado off, so I don't think it's a viable defense to push someone off the track.

 

[moojito]

Yip, if you're off the track you have an obligation to rejoin it in a safe manner, not into the side of another car.

 

[Massa]

I think the short answer is that Maldonado was four wheels off of the race-track (white line), and so he should've yielded. Then again, I think it was completely unfair by Hamilton to push him that hard, so I don't agree with it. We saw probably 20-30 other overtakes there done the same way, none of which ended that way. This could've been avoided if Hamilton didn't push Maldonado off, so I don't think it's a viable defense to push someone off the track.

We saw a lot of overtakes in that corner but we saw even more people trying to overtake and backing down when they realized they weren't ahead enough. Maldonado did not back down, it was his fault he was pushed off track.

 

[pappe]

We saw a lot of overtakes in that corner but we saw even more people trying to overtake and backing down when they realized they weren't ahead enough. Maldonado did not back down, it was his fault he was pushed off track.

The moment when mal n ham turned , mal had his front wheels ahead of hams.
Ham did not give him room to stay on the track which is wrong and should not be done IMO. You should give the fellow driver enough room to stay on track and Mal had no choice but to turn in as there were rumbler strips in front of him and going over them wud have damaged his car. Basically Ham gave him no option but to back completely of f. Which is un fair.

 

[AcridMeat]

Hamilton was aggressive, but so was everyone around that track. You have to be to have a chance at overtaking in Valencia. The difference is, Prupose was completely off the track and decided to re-enter in the apex of the corner, right where Hamilton was.

Maldo has such a sickening ego and drives like a lunatic. I can't believe they gave Kobayashi a 5 grid spot penalty and let Maldo get away.

 

[pappe]

Hamilton was aggressive, but so was everyone around that track. You have to be to have a chance at overtaking in Valencia. The difference is, Prupose was completely off the track and decided to re-enter in the apex of the corner, right where Hamilton was.

Maldo has such a sickening ego and drives like a lunatic. I can't believe they gave Kobayashi a 5 grid spot penalty and let Maldo get away.

Isn't it Hams responsibility to give him proper room to stay on track when both cars turned exactly at the same time or when Mal was slightly ahead of Ham?

 

[DBT85]

Isn't it Hams responsibility to give him proper room to stay on track when both cars turned exactly at the same time or when Mal was slightly ahead of Ham?

Nope.

You can't crowd out in the braking zone, at turn in they are not in the braking zone.

That same thing happened dozens of times in the race to other people. The only difference is that Purpose didn't fuck it up for anyone else.

When they started turn in Prupose was maybe 12" ahead. But almost immediately because Hamilton was on the inside and had the racing line he went ahead.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

The moment when mal n ham turned , mal had his front wheels ahead of hams.
Ham did not give him room to stay on the track which is wrong and should not be done IMO. You should give the fellow driver enough room to stay on track and Mal had no choice but to turn in as there were rumbler strips in front of him

BUT, Hamilton had the racing line, and was therefore in no way obliged to leave room as the line for that corner means you exit on the curb on the opposite of the track.

Maldonado put himself in a position where he needed to back off, but he didn't so he ended up having no option to drive off the track. Only when approaching the next corner was he in danger of going over the rubber strips, but he still could have avoided them by either going left, or waiting to rejoin the track safely.

Hamilton should have known better, given the condition of his tyres, not to try and defend his position so hard, but he didn't break any rules. Maldonado did.

 

[IISANDERII]

I think the short answer is that Maldonado was four wheels off of the race-track (white line), and so he should've yielded. Then again, I think it was completely unfair by Hamilton to push him that hard, so I don't agree with it. We saw probably 20-30 other overtakes there done the same way, none of which ended that way. This could've been avoided if Hamilton didn't push Maldonado off, so I don't think it's a viable defense to push someone off the track.

Technically, it was Maldonado's fault. But only technically and this is why he gets a slap on the wrist.
In my opinion, Hamilton was begging for it. His tires were finished and held up Maldonado long enough. Hamilton of all people should know that if you hold somebody up, they will lose patience. The racing gods administered some karma.

 

[AcridMeat]

That doesn't give some entitlement to the person behind him. He's fighting for a championship, there was a straightaway where Maldonado could have easily sailed past. I don't buy that argument one bit.

Asking someone to stop racing because they don't have the advantage...

What I will say is Hamilton should know how stupid Prupose is and been more careful, because he's so prone to causing this shit to happen.

edit: With how close all the cars are this season we're starting to see who the quality drivers are and who aren't. I'm starting to think Rosberg is not so worthy.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Hamilton forced Maldonado off the track. It was Maldonados responsibilty to enter back safely, he could have just turned left or slowed down. Kimi was forced off the track by Maldonado and he slowed down, Maldonado just tried to force himself back on.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

Maldonado reentered the track by driving over the curb, thus completely rendering his car uncontrollable. The only way he was going to make the turn from that position was by using Hamilton to steer, otherwise he would've sild straight into the barrier from that position. At best it was a moment of monumental idiocy, but we all know he did it on prupose. That alone should warrant a much stiffer penalty than he's getting, I think.

 

[Xun]

Damn son.

https://twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/216544981232521216/photo/1/large

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Maldonado had two wheels on the track, Hamilton turned in on him.

Grosjean had two wheels on the track, Hamilton gave him plenty of space.


Maldonado got hard done by the stewards and was robbed of a podium because of Hamilton.

BUT, Hamilton had the racing line, and was therefore in no way obliged to leave room as the line for that corner means you exit on the curb on the opposite of the track

Hamilton knew what he was doing, it would have been a brilliant move by Maldonado had Hamilton not hit him.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Hamilton forced Maldonado off the track. It was Maldonados responsibilty to enter back safely, he could have just turned left or slowed down. Kimi was forced off the track by Maldonado and he slowed down, Maldonado just tried to force himself back on.

He also forced Cinman off the track while overtaking him. Someone should sit and talk with him, he can't just keep doing reckless shit like that

 

[Shaneus]

Damn son.

https://twitter.com/mrjakehumphrey/status/216544981232521216/photo/1/large

Who *is* that woman? Holy smokes.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Maldonado had all four wheels off the track

He could have turned left or slowed down, but he chose to try and get back on the track straight away, which meant he was on the kerbs and had no control over his steering thus hitting Hamilton. He had the wheel pointing left but there was nothing he could do at that point.

Yes he was forced off the track, but he made a mistake go on the kerbs meaning he was unable to control the car. He wasn't hard done by, he made a mistake and was punished for it.

 

[AcridMeat]

Maldonado had two wheels on the track, Hamilton turned in on him.

Grosjean had two wheels on the track, Hamilton gave him plenty of space.


Maldonado got hard done by the stewards and was robbed of a podium because of Hamilton.

I can't believe you're defending him. That isn't 2 wheels on the track. That's very clearly 4 wheels off the track. You even drew a line proving that. He gave Grosjean the space because he wasn't off the track. Someone off the track should not still be attacking, especially with the curbs there, which are there to prevent such attacks in the first place.

Stop blaming Hamilton for aggressively putting him off the track. It was happening all weekend by various drivers, Maldonado was one of the biggest offenders during the race. He has no discipline.

 

[Mohonky]

Maldonado had two wheels on the track, Hamilton turned in on him.

Nice selective use of that top frame, pity you didn't get the one a few before it that everyone else appears to have seen.

Going by your logic then;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzgb0SVfiIc

Kimi should have been penalised and Hamilton should not have been, thus handing that win to Hamilton yes?

 

[AndyD]

Maldonado had all four wheels off the track

Yep, that shot shows it clearly. At that point, he should have slowed down and gotten behind, or slowed down and taken the left path around the kerbs, then give position. Indefensible.

If he wanted to later argue that he was pushed off track to begin with, that's a whole another can of worms and separate investigation, but rejoining unsafely and causing a collision, that's indefensible.

 

[Interferon]

It's definitely Maldonado's fault, although a bit aggressive from Hamilton's side, considering that he was much slower than Pastor that lap.

 

[IISANDERII]

"He would often put us in a position that we were going to have an accident and he would leave it up to you whether to have that accident or not... and if you didn't run into him, psychologically you were buried and finished because he would then know that every time after that he showed you a wheel, you would jump out of the way."

Sound familiar?

Spoiler

This is actually Martin Brundle talking about Ayrton Senna.

 

[AcridMeat]

Don't you dare compare Senna to Maldoprupose.

Spoiler

Yes it's familiar.

 

[AndyD]

Don't you dare compare Senna to Maldoprupose.

Spoiler

Yes it's familiar.

I think its reversed. Senna is Hamilton. He forced Maldonado to make a choice whether to cause an accident or not. Like Senna would force people to chose backing off or having an accident.

 

[Yoritomo]

I think its reversed. Senna is Hamilton. He forced Maldonado to make a choice whether to cause an accident or not. Like Senna would force people to chose backing off or having an accident.

He might be as self deluded and emotionally unstable as senna, but he doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

 

[AndyD]

He might be as self deluded and emotionally unstable as senna, but he doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

I was simply commenting on the comparison made based on that quote. But I agree. Hamilton may have talent, but not in the same league.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

He might be as self deluded and emotionally unstable as senna, but he doesn't have a fraction of the talent.

Just out of curiosity. Who do you consider talented drivers currently?

 

[criesofthepast]

Seems to be a few varying opinions on who's fault it was. I think Maldo didn't have to go for it right there. He would have had plenty of time and straightaway to pass Hamilton with no risk because there was 2 laps left and he was clearly faster. It was a completely avoidable incident.

Hamilton should have eased off a bit though if his tyres were not so good. Thats why I said it was a bit of ego from Hamilton because maybe he thought he could have defended his position for 2 more laps? And as a spectator I didn't think he had a chance at stopping Maldo from overtaking him.

I think in the end both drivers were too aggressive.

And why do you guys call Maldo purpose/prupose? What's his history with acting like a nut case? I'm trying to remember an incident this year but I have a horrible memory. I've watched all races this year and can't remember anything major happening.

 

[Dilly]

Seems to be a few varying opinions on who's fault it was. I think Maldo didn't have to go for it right there. He would have had plenty of time and straightaway to pass Hamilton with no risk because there was 2 laps left and he was clearly faster. It was a completely avoidable incident.

Hamilton should have eased off a bit though if his tyres were not so good. Thats why I said it was a bit of ego from Hamilton because maybe he thought he could have defended his position for 2 more laps? And as a spectator I didn't think he had a chance at stopping Maldo from overtaking him.

I think in the end both drivers were too aggressive.

And why do you guys call Maldo purpose/prupose? What's his history with acting like a nut case? I'm trying to remember an incident this year but I have a horrible memory. I've watched all races this year and can't remember anything major happening.

Shunting Perez during practice in Monaco for no reason.

Is RBR trying to blow their diffuser again?

 

[arena08]

Maldonado had two wheels on the track, Hamilton turned in on him.

http://www.abload.de/img/untitled-1nhgqd.jpg[IMG]

Grosjean had two wheels on the track, Hamilton gave him plenty of space.


Maldonado got hard done by the stewards and was robbed of a podium because of Hamilton.







[img]http://www.abload.de/img/line11cnj.jpg[img]

Hamilton knew what he was doing, it would have been a brilliant move by Maldonado had Hamilton not hit him.[/QUOTE]

Oh, please.

Stop being an arse.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Crazy Talk.

Just out of curiosity. Who do you consider talented drivers currently?

Fernando, but not Kimi.

 

[Myoclonic Jerk]

Seems to be a few varying opinions on who's fault it was. I think Maldo didn't have to go for it right there. He would have had plenty of time and straightaway to pass Hamilton with no risk because there was 2 laps left and he was clearly faster. It was a completely avoidable incident.

Hamilton should have eased off a bit though if his tyres were not so good. Thats why I said it was a bit of ego from Hamilton because maybe he thought he could have defended his position for 2 more laps? And as a spectator I didn't think he had a chance at stopping Maldo from overtaking him.

I think in the end both drivers were too aggressive.

And why do you guys call Maldo purpose/prupose? What's his history with acting like a nut case? I'm trying to remember an incident this year but I have a horrible memory. I've watched all races this year and can't remember anything major happening.

I saw it in an interview after his incident with Hamilton and created that pic.

Will try to dig out the interview for you

 

[Fantomex]

When I watch F1 on SPEED am I getting what's technically the bbc feed?

 

[Leunam]

Yes, just different hosts. On occasion they will have clips from old races or freeze frames from a replay but it's the same feed. Also, more commercials.

 

[Fantomex]

Yes, just different hosts. On occasion they will have clips from old races or freeze frames from a replay but it's the same feed. Also, more commercials.

Well let me say that I love the BBC feed then, commercials and all

 

[RomanticHeroX]

I think everyone works with just the one global feed, which is handled by the FIA or FOM or one of those groups.

 

[Diablohead]

yeah the bbc get fed the camera angles by the f1 people themselves, same with sky and other providers.

 

[criesofthepast]

I saw it in an interview after his incident with Hamilton and created that pic.

Will try to dig out the interview for you

Oh haha. Okay thanks.

 

[stewy]

I may be giving him too much credit, but I think Maldonado's move was somewhat calculated. Yes, he was off track and yes he was obligated to rejoin in a safe manner. But the fact of the matter is that Hamilton took him very wide through there to take advantage of the fact that he was in a position where he wouldn't be allowed to complete the pass.

I think Maldonado's move makes Hamilton (and other drivers) think twice about taking advantage of him in situations like that in the future. You're not gaining respect (or fear) from the top drivers if you roll over every time they muscle you off the line.

Maldonado was definitely in the wrong, but he was in that position because Hamilton didn't fear reprisal for running him wide. I think he will the next time.

It reminds me of the Senna segment on Top Gear where they talked to Martin Brundle (I think) about Senna's driving style. He said Senna liked to put you in situations where you were either going to let him by or one of you was going to wreck. The rub was that, if you lifted, he knew he was in your head from then on.