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[SMT]

Yeah and ff9 is like 13 hours long

I never played it, and I get people telling me it's the best game ever.
Even if it was great, the length would dissuade me.

So that's what we call a 'quickie' jrpg, huh?

No wonder people liked it, gave them a good atmosphere, and a sense of accomplishment.
But I'm going to be an an asshole and say it's unwarranted for my standards.
It ain't an RPG if it doesn't consume you. False sense of accomplishment is tricky business.

 

[Boss Man]

If someone came up to Wada and offered him 1 billion dollars to remake FFVII, it would be remade.

Japanese honor something something Call of Duty something something.

Spoiler

You're right of course, but I think he's attempting to protect the IP in a way. Future $

I never played it, and I get people telling me it's the best game ever.
Even if it was great, the length would dissuade me.

So that's what we call a 'quickie' jrpg, huh?

No wonder people liked it, gave them a good atmosphere, and a sense of accomplishment.

That's not true, I think he was being sarcastic. Also, you haven't played the best Final Fantasy game.

 

[Prophane33]

FFX is awful IMO. 8 had some nice parts, 9 had better music, 12 and 13 had fun battle systems.

Parts of games after 7 have been better (a lot better) but I'd be lying if I said I felt any was better overall.

Delicious nostalgia.

I have never understood how people could like X. Ever since it came out in Japan and I popped it into my PS2 I've hated it. XIII was even better. The music was alright, but the characters, story, and dialouge, not to mention extremely linear gameplay were a huge turn off for me, especially after 7-9. I loved Spoony's review of it because he described exactly how I felt playing it.

 

[timetokill]

I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?

I'm 28.

And FF12 was better than FF7.

 

[RobotHaus]

I think this kind of thinking isn't right. There are many ways to make it have all the charm of the original, just with more beefier graphics. It's not impossible at all.

I don't know, there seems to be a charm in making something grand out of minimal materials, building with limited resources and into a brave new world. Remakes tend to take away the wonder of that new world and polish them with an unsavory spit shine.

Now, this might just be myself, but I haven't seen all too many remakes or "remasters" that seem to have the same feeling of the original product. It might be nostalgia in work, or it could be some sort of magic, who knows.

 

[FateBreaker]

Yeah and ff9 is like 13 hours long

What? I remember that game lasting me 40-50 hours and I didn't even do everything. If you want to talk about a short Final Fantasy, then XIII-2 is a candidate; I was at the final dungeon in 15 hours. (Fortunately there is tons of side content to double/triple the time.)

 

[RumblingRosco]

FF7 was topped by the US FF3.

ON WITH THE REMAKE.

 

[FateBreaker]

I think the main point of this quote is that he isn't satisfied with their current output level, not that they have never made a game as good as or better than FF7. I actually think it's great that he acknowledged that, and hopefully we'll see positive results of that mindset soon.

Agreed.

 

[kunonabi]

6 is short as hell. You're lucky if you get 40-50 hours out of it, tops.

I finished VII in like 19. FFVI is better than VII in every possible category.

 

[Crash Station]

If someone came up to Wada and offered him 1 billion dollars to remake FFVII, it would be remade.

That's not enough.

 

[Ravage]

I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?

Are you going to create a correlation chart or something?

In any case, i'm 24 and imo VIII, X and XII all topped VII.

Are there really people that aren't blinded by first FF nostalgia that DON'T like 9 better than 7? 7 felt like trash at the time, and only looks good because of what garbage Square has put out since (aside from a few gems of course).

And to answer, I'm 29.

VI was my first FF and VII>IX easily. Never cared for the chibi art direction, slow combat, and a whole bunch of other stuff in IX. It was also the first FF mainline title to disappoint me. One of the least ambitious and innovative mainline entry imo.

 

[Syphon Filter]

FF 7 is the best FF ever.face it haters.

 

[SMT]

Japanese honor something something Call of Duty something something.

Spoiler

You're right of course, but I think he's attempting to protect the IP in a way. Future $

That's not true, I think he was being sarcastic. Also, you haven't played the best Final Fantasy game.

I don't know... I can't stand short protagonists with tails. I think this belongs in the ''You haven't played this game because you hate the lead character's face'' thread. I just wanna yank that tail... *gack*

Son Gokou was the exception.

But I will play this game in the future, if it's on PSN Vita.

 

[Souther]

Now that I think about it, a FFVII remake basically makes Square-Enix a company that can never go under.

If anything ever happens to the company and its on its last breath, all they have to do is remake FFVII and they will be instantly revived.

A FFVII remake is S-E's ace card.

 

[QisTopTier]

I never played it, and I get people telling me it's the best game ever.
Even if it was great, the length would dissuade me.

So that's what we call a 'quickie' jrpg, huh?

No wonder people liked it, gave them a good atmosphere, and a sense of accomplishment.
But I'm going to be an an asshole and say it's unwarranted for my standards.
It ain't an RPG if it doesn't consume you. False sense of accomplishment is tricky business.

The game is actually not that short, that's only if you skip every single fmv, read nothing, do zero sidequest, and avoid almost every single fight in the game.

There is a sword you can get at the final dungeon of the game that disappears if you took longer than 12 hours to get there.

 

[Anticitizen One]

I kinda agree that ff7 was the last memorable and insanely great final fantasy and that square should strive to make a truely classic FF again that people will be still talking about for decades but I don't think square has the talent to do that.

 

[hitmon]

So.. Does that mean right after Versus XIII is done?

Kidding aside, I thought VIII already topped VII.

 

[Boss Man]

Now that I think about it, a FFVII remake basically makes Square-Enix a company that can never go under.

If anything ever happens to the company and its on its last breath, all they have to do is remake FFVII and they will be instantly revived.

A FFVII remake is S-E's ace card.

Except that they probably literally cannot remake it. They haven't done a Final Fantasy with an airship + overworld since FFIX. Graphics got too hard once the PS2 was released.

 

[CharminUltra]

"No Final Fantasy VII Remake until original has been topped"

Which means we're never getting it, as VII is still THE Final Fantasy game to beat, regardless of what butthurt haters claim

P.S. 28 here, with FFI NES being my first FF game (and Dragon Warrior II being my first RPG ever).

 

[QisTopTier]

"No Final Fantasy VII Remake until original has been topped"

Which means we're never getting it, as VII is still THE Final Fantasy game to beat, regardless of what butthurt haters claim

Can't beat a game that was most peoples first RPG. Rose tinted glasses are too strong. Chrono Trigger is amazing but I know it's not the BEST RPG EVERRRR but I sure as fuck view it that way. Stands a bit true too when I gave the ds version to someone that never played it before 2 years ago and they were sucked into it completely and got every ending XD

 

[Syphon Filter]

"No Final Fantasy VII Remake until original has been topped"

Which means we're never getting it, as VII is still THE Final Fantasy game to beat, regardless of what butthurt haters claim

P.S. 28 here, with FFI NES being my first FF game (and Dragon Warrior II being my first RPG ever).

exactly,my man!

 

[Souther]

That's not enough.

Just how much money do you think it would cost to remake FFVII? You don't think $1 Billion would be enough? Really?

This is on top of what they would receive from retail sales.

Put enough money in front of somebodies face...You'll be surprised at just what can happen, and how fast no will turn to yes.

 

[CharminUltra]

Can't beat a game that was most peoples first RPG. Rose tinted glasses are too strong. Chrono Trigger is amazing but I know it's not the BEST RPG EVERRRR but I sure as fuck view it that way. Stands a bit true too when I gave the ds version to someone that never played it before 2 years ago and they were sucked into it completely and got every ending XD

Actually, I'd place Chrono Trigger above any other FF game that is not FF7. Both FF7 and Chrono Trigger are in my top 10 games ever

 

[Boss Man]

"No Final Fantasy VII Remake until original has been topped"

Which means we're never getting it, as VII is still THE Final Fantasy game to beat, regardless of what butthurt haters claim

P.S. 28 here, with FFI NES being my first FF game (and Dragon Warrior II being my first RPG ever).

You're quoting a headline that's not quoting anyone. But yeah, FFVII is a great game and I think it's silly to hate it.

Spoiler

Still not the best one though.

 

[Anticitizen One]

I'm 27 and I will say ff7 was the last widely popular Final Fantasy game. FFX came the closest to it I believe.

 

[Souther]

It would be nice to have remake but if it never happens I am ok with it.

Personally, I would rather see Sega get back the team together and make a new Phantasy Star.

 

[Vice]

I never played it, and I get people telling me it's the best game ever.
Even if it was great, the length would dissuade me.

So that's what we call a 'quickie' jrpg, huh?

No wonder people liked it, gave them a good atmosphere, and a sense of accomplishment.
But I'm going to be an an asshole and say it's unwarranted for my standards.
It ain't an RPG if it doesn't consume you. False sense of accomplishment is tricky business.

You can beat it in 13 hours but only if you know the game inside and out and skip as much dialog and sidequests as possible. It's just as lengthy as any other PS1 Final Fantasy as long as you don't try to speed run it. You do get a cool sword for beating it that fast though.

 

[rataven]

I can't decide if I want them to top it, so we get great FFs again, or to continue with their trend of mediocrity, so VII never gets remade (it's perfect as it is, sans translation)

And FWIW, I'm 33, and consider VII the pinnacle.

But I do think IX, X, and XII are great games. Only real stinker is VIII.

 

[Dire]

I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?

I'm also curious about this. I imagine if you played FFVII today that the antiquated, and by today's standards also somewhat unwieldy, graphics would almost certainly severely dampen the immersion of the game for the vast majority of people - especially those whose first FF experience started after FF6. But if you compare experiences, time for time, I think FFVII has been somewhat far ahead of any FF since. I've no doubt that it were remade with modern tech and production quality - it would really dwarf everything else they've made. Which does lead to a natural problem of where to go next in the series, were they to choose to remake it.

His answer makes a lot of sense and answers a question I've been wondering about for some time.

Oh yes, I'm old enough to have played Dragon Warrior 1 at release.

 

[revolverjgw]

I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?

29, FF7 hasn't been topped. Though the benchmark should be FF6

 

[pirata]

I'm really drunk, so this makes perfect sense.

 

[vissione]

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[Dire]

Now that I think about it, a FFVII remake basically makes Square-Enix a company that can never go under.

If anything ever happens to the company and its on its last breath, all they have to do is remake FFVII and they will be instantly revived.

A FFVII remake is S-E's ace card.

Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.

Good point and rather poetic considering the history of how the Final Fantasy series (and its name) came about.

 

[Boss Man]

I like that this thread immediately pushed Wada aside and shot into a "Which FF is best?" debate, briefly looked back to Wada's statement and acknowledged its legitimacy, and then immediately shot back into a "Which FF is best?" debate. It's such a rabid topic.

I'm guilty too.

 

[kayos90]

Uh... what kind of statement is that? The hell?

 

[Perfo]

That would only please fans of the game, New games would laugh at how dated FF7 is.

It will piss off even some fan, like me. I'd like a full 3d remake with the look and feeling of the movie Advent Children; free-camera, open-world, no random battles and no transitions into them, voice acting. I like to dream

Anyway I understand they wanna take time before publishing a remake of Final Fantasy VII, but at this point when they'll do it most of the players that loved that title probably moved on with their life already. Unless it's a proper reboot aimed at new players, it'll be less than huge that's for sure. Ok, Final Fantasy III 20 years later still managed to sell good on DS, and that was a forgettable title... so...

 

[RobotHaus]

Except that they probably, literally cannot remake it. They haven't done a Final Fantasy with an over world since FFIX. Graphics got too hard once the PS2 was released.

Everyone forgets about this. But I guess it wasn't HD overworld, so your point has weight. But it really shouldn't be difficult for SE to make a world like that. They had one for DQ VIII and even current gen RPGs like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey prove that it can be done.

So if anything it's either laziness, lack of practice on development of such a thing, or probably the strongest case in my opinion: too strong of a focus on story telling. Most of the newer games they've been making seem to have the gameplay take a backseat to the story(which in the end is viewed as strange due to translation), whereas it should be quite the opposite if you're making a game.

 

[Nibel]

The world doesn't need a FF7 remake

 

[Boss Man]

Everyone forgets about this. But I guess it wasn't HD overworld, so your point has weight. But it really shouldn't be difficult for SE to make a world like that. They had one for DQ VIII and even current gen RPGs like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey prove that it can be done.

So if anything it's either laziness, lack of practice on development of such a thing, or probably the strongest case in my opinion: too strong of a focus on story telling. Most of the newer games they've been making seem to have the gameplay take a backseat to the story(which in the end is viewed as strange due to translation), whereas it should be quite the opposite if you're making a game.

Yeah I'm not saying it's an impossible thing to do; Ni no Kuni made my day when I saw some gameplay the other day. It's just that, as mentioned earlier, SE likes their games to have the absolute best graphics that their company is able to produce at the time- and after FFIX, adding an open world to that equation is apparently too difficult for them. (unless it's a DS game apparently)

 

[StickSoldier]

Final Fanatasy is trash now, I really don't see a new one being better than FF7 anytime soon. Hell, I don't even know if I want them working on a FF7 remake until they get their shit together. Actually, maybe that's why they aren't remaking it yet.

 

[Dreamwriter]

I'm curious to know: How old are those who think FF7 has been topped since its creation, versus those who do not?

I'm 39, I grew up with the American Final Fantasy releases starting from the beginning on NES, and while FF7 was amazingly great at the time, I had a lot more fun and was much more into the story and music of FFX, even with its flaws (very linear, no sidequests until the very end of the game, rock music that didn't fit the style of the rest of the game, airship was just a teleporter). I recently tried to replay 7, and it was just boring - even the overworld music is very slow-paced. It definitely has some great moments, but in general for me it hasn't held up. Final Fantasy VI (III US), though, is still amazingly great, at least in its original 2D form.

IX was weird, that one felt kind-of...I dunno. Like Final Fantasy "lite" - it felt like a game designed by Final Fantasy fanboys. Which it kind-of was, since the game was Square's answer to complaints about how 7 and 8 had gone astray from the more medieval fantasy worlds of the earlier games.

 

[Zekes!]

Everyone forgets about this. But I guess it wasn't HD overworld, so your point has weight. But it really shouldn't be difficult for SE to make a world like that. They had one for DQ VIII and even current gen RPGs like Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey prove that it can be done.

4 Heroes of Light is the bomb

Also I'm 22 and I think FFXII is the best numbered Final Fantasy. I doubt I'd care if a FFVII ever came to surface

 

[Dark Schala]

Uh... what kind of statement is that? The hell?

I thought it was surprisingly logical coming out of him. I take it to say that at the present time they're not making a game that would exceed the quality of FFVII (whether that would be critic or fan reaction towards it, or even the base amount of stuff that the game offers to the player). He could also be implying that if they do make a FFVII remake at the moment and pour all of their resources into that, that would kind of be like surrendering and almost saying that they can't possibly make a newer title in the series to produce the equivalent amount of fanfare that FFVII had at its release--that they have to go back to FFVII to 'relive the magic' as it were, rather than produce a game that would meet or exceed it themselves.

Though at the time, from what my older cousins tell me, anyway, I think FFVII had its fair share of detractors as well.

 

[Ravage]

I like that this thread immediately pushed Wada aside and shot into a "Which FF is best?" debate, briefly looked back to Wada's statement and acknowledged its legitimacy, and then immediately shot back into a "Which FF is best?" debate. It's such a rabid topic.

I'm guilty too.

You must be new ;p
Though i don't recall any of the other threads derailing this fast i.e. with the very 1st reply

But there's at least one thing we can all agree on - the current SE is in no shape to do FF7-R justice.

 

[Ventilaator]

VI, IX, X, XII.

I count four.

 

[soxinthebox]

During the Q&A session of the company's annual shareholder's briefing (transcribed here), Wada was asked the expected question about the much wanted remake. His response was something to the effect of, we'll make a Final Fantasy VII remake once we've made a Final Fantasy game that exceeds the quality of FFVII.

This must've been messed up in translation or else :lol

 

[Yagharek]

I wonder if at this point it is feasible for Square-Enix to split the Final Fantasy series into HD and handheld lines.

Make their big melodramatic world-spanning adventures for consoles like PS3/360/WiiU/PS4/720 etc and push the artistic and tech side of the series on those systems.

But handhelds like Vita/3DS should be getting more traditional FF games in the vein of FF6/FF9 that hark back to the old medieval/steampunk styles of classic 16bit RPGs. I think there is room for both approaches, as the latter example allows for cheaper production and hopefully larger sales. There is a big untapped demand for portable RPGs that games like Atlus' efforts on PSP and the DQ games on DS have only really hinted at.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Ok, i'll be that guy:

So how is FFIX better than FFVII exactly? It doesn't have a better battle system or growth system, it doesn't have better side quests, it doesn't have better villains or a better story, the cast is largely boring/forgettable except for ViVi/Zidane, and it doesn't have a better soundtrack. FFIX has a more beautiful world perhaps( it definitely has some excellent locales) but I feel lke FFVII's is more atmospheric and absorbing. Also, FF7 has some of the most memorable moments in the entire series, not to mention outstanding summon sequences. FFIX has none of that.

Come at me

I fully agree with this.

 

[Regulus Tera]

No Final Fantasy VII remake will be made under the conditions the fans want them because it would be an incredibly vast game in terms of content that would take years and hundreds of personnel to develop, time better spent in making a new game instead. Not to mention that it is very unlikely that a FFVII remake would have sales in the vicinity of the original.

Enjoy your PC ports. DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE WADA'S LIES

 

[Boss Man]

No Final Fantasy VII remake will be made under the conditions the fans want them because it would be an incredibly vast game in terms of content that would take years and hundreds of personnel to develop, time better spent in making a new game instead. Not to mention that it is very unlikely that a FFVII remake would have sales in the vicinity of the original.

Enjoy your PC ports. DON'T BELIEVE ONDORE WADA'S LIES

Lost me there. Also, it would sell a fucking ton. Have you not seen xsephirothx8834 playing Call of Duty?