Wada: No Final Fantasy VII Remake Until Original Has Been Topped
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Cheesemeister
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This thread has devolved into yet another round of, "Let's rank the Final Fantasy games!"
Glass Rebel
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TLR is so good, it makes me actually sad that some people couldn't experience the PC version.
Phonomezer
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As long as XIII-3 is the last one. I can understand a sequel, considering the ending of the last title. No fucking more after that, please.
Glass Rebel
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But you haven't seen the ending of XIII-3 yet~
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
There's still some space for a prequel you know!
Team Filler
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Give me a remake of 5 and all is forgiven, Wada!
if they're already working on XIII-3 there's no reason to think they will ever stop.
someday.
Katana_Strikes
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Finally, at least this officially confirms there will never be a Remake of FFVII and we can all move on with our lives.
Thanks for clearing that up after 6 years Wada.
Thanks for clearing that up after 6 years Wada.
Magicpaint
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V I can see, but VIII is dreadful.
If it ends like XIII-2, then they're just pulling out cliffhangers.
I think it has to do with Toriyama. Maybe he's jaded and things people love these games. I think the most of the consensus for the XIII series so far is that they're enjoyable, but not magical that warrant a subseries.
Team Filler
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FF VIII is misunderstood. Also, it gave us Triple Triad, a far better game than the trash that was Tetra Master. Although, I guess it was appropriate to have a trash minigame for a trash game.
Glass Rebel
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This is all you will get and you will like it!
You motherf-
what the fuck
whatever
also i can't support mister saturns FFIX insults. but tetra master did suck.
FFX FTW!
devilinanewdress
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Team Filler
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Actually, like all FF fans, I like almost all of them, IX included. I was just starting shit.
I don't think it's better than VII, though. Not by a longshot.
I don't think it's better than VII, though. Not by a longshot.
This is not true, and is invariably subjective anyways. So the only metric that would count is sales, which FF7 beats FF6 by a HUGE amount.
Just turned 25 here. I don't think FFVII has been topped by another FF. In fact the only RPG I've played that tops it is Chrono Cross.
But to be fair FFVII was the first RPG I ever played, let alone my first Final Fantasy. And while I've since played and enjoyed every other FF game (except XI and XIV), I don't think it's been beaten. Some games like VI and X have near matched the game, they're still not quite as good
I thought it might have been nostalgia, but last year I went hack and played through IV-X, and I enjoyed VII the most. Also if it was nostalgia, I wouldn't rate Chrono Cross the best RPG i've ever played when it was the last RPG I played on the PS1, after all the FF's, the SNES releases, Vagrant Story, Xenogears, Chrono Trigger and all the other PS1 RPG's. Chrono Cross was the last one I played, yet favourite
I thought FFVI was ignored in Japan. At least not as well loved as IV and V.
FFVII is not the pinnacle of Final Fantasy. They set a terrible precedent with reducing the party to 3 members. The abilities of all the characters are indistinguishable (except Barret having long range capabilities, but those don't seem to count for much anyway). The battles are horribly simplistic. The story is unfocused.
What exactly is he expecting to top FFVII?
They did, it was called IX.
first post, best post
Team Filler
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I think he's wanting a game that makes Final Fantasy a Call of Duty-level event again, like it became with VII.
Only on GAF.
Hypereides
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In a way hes right. There arent really any other Final Fantasy, that is as memorable as FF7.
...But that has to be the weakest reasoning or excuse to not do a remake. Still despite the fact that I dont want SE to do one. They'd smear it in more shit than than Final Fantasy brand already is.
...But that has to be the weakest reasoning or excuse to not do a remake. Still despite the fact that I dont want SE to do one. They'd smear it in more shit than than Final Fantasy brand already is.
Interfectum
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The series has been a mess post Final Fantasy X. Major identity crisis.
What Wada doesn't get is a full-on remake of an older Final Fantasy may bring back some stability to the series and set the template going forward.
What Wada doesn't get is a full-on remake of an older Final Fantasy may bring back some stability to the series and set the template going forward.
Combichristoffersen
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I think the only way this could happen is if the series dropped menu-based battles for good.
I mean, I love Persona and everything, but it's a pretty archaic system that grew out of system limitations.
I can't see what they could do to top the splash of making one of the first 3D polygonal extravaganzas after years of 2D sprite based games.
FF12 was a great step forward in grandiosity and scope. You weren't bound to separate battle screens. Too bad they had to chicken out and make the one way tunnel world of FFXIII.
devilinanewdress
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Agreed. It's hard to imagine Square cashing in big time off a remake of a true Final Fantasy title and then following it up with more Lightning nonsense. The blame is not entirely there's though, it also rests with the consumers (XIII-2 sales figures were incredible) and the critics (fucking Famitsu believe XIII-2 to be a perfect 40/40 title). With both critical acclaim and commercial success Square must (wrongly) believe they're doing nothing wrong with the franchise.
MoogleWizard
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But FFVIII and IX were released more than ten years ago, so even with Square's long development cycles the remake should have been released by now, right?
Joke aside, I do understand the popularity of VII, but it is due to nostalgia glasses, for many it was their first FF (it was the fist that got a European release), first RPG, first 3D FF, first 3D RPG. The 3D thing is a big reason why it made such an impact, much like with Super Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time, it was a novelty for the series and a huge change.
It's not my favourite though and I certainly don't want a remake although the game has aged very badly.
The VII universe has been milked to death with Advent Children and all the spinoffs. Square should either invest everything in new titles or give other series entries like VI or VIII some love. I don't think I'd even buy the remake if they made one, I'm tired of the same characters and plot getting milked over and over again.
Joke aside, I do understand the popularity of VII, but it is due to nostalgia glasses, for many it was their first FF (it was the fist that got a European release), first RPG, first 3D FF, first 3D RPG. The 3D thing is a big reason why it made such an impact, much like with Super Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time, it was a novelty for the series and a huge change.
It's not my favourite though and I certainly don't want a remake although the game has aged very badly.
The VII universe has been milked to death with Advent Children and all the spinoffs. Square should either invest everything in new titles or give other series entries like VI or VIII some love. I don't think I'd even buy the remake if they made one, I'm tired of the same characters and plot getting milked over and over again.
Glass Rebel
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That would only help lose what's left of the fanbase. Do you remember what happened when Dragon Quest IX was announced?
I would say that would've been the last excuse they were using, that it'd be "too expensive" to remake. I mean sure, if you were to re-do everything so it looks like XIII, absolutely it'd be expensive, but the fans would scream bloody murder anyway for ruining the style of the game.
X has Tidus, who is just some watered down version of Zidane but way more annoying. The romance in the game is also shit, nowhere did Tidus ever show a romantic interest in Yuna. The only part was the kiss, but I mean before that I never even saw him hit on her or anything and who's going to deny a hot girl a kiss? Seriously. Zidane made that shit clear from the first moment when he met Garnet. He's also a selfish little fuck. X was great, loved the gameplay, some characters are cool others aren't.
I think you missed a LOT of FFX. He flirts with Yuna (and Lulu and a bit of Rikku) quite a few times.
He blatantly hits on Yuna when they first meet, don't you remember him being told to stay away from the pure innocent religious girl?
A funny subtle one is where everyone's on the boat looking at the island they're arriving at and Tidus is sneakily using the binoculars to stare at Lulu.
Alternatively, he flirts with the girls during downtimes like riding the snowmobiles.
And he's one of the few FFers to actually sleep with the girl in-game (off camera, for those fans completely incapable of understanding innuendo).
So yeah, Tidus is all over the girls.
demosthenes
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In his mind it seems that they would be signaling that they had given up on trying to make better games that they had released in the past. At least now in his mind they're still trying to make better games. Remaking VII would accept the failure.
Sounds like crazy talk to me.
Eh...
calling Tidus a watered down Zidane is kind of a insult to both characters imo. They aren't really similar at all (for example, despite being younger, Zidane is noticeably smarter and wiser than Tidus and has been to most places in Gaia.)
Tidus is a shit, but he does his own thing, and actually shines as a character occasionally. (He did somewhat man up by the end of the game)
calling Tidus a watered down Zidane is kind of a insult to both characters imo. They aren't really similar at all (for example, despite being younger, Zidane is noticeably smarter and wiser than Tidus and has been to most places in Gaia.)
Tidus is a shit, but he does his own thing, and actually shines as a character occasionally. (He did somewhat man up by the end of the game)
Besides staring a Lulu's tits, because I mean who wouldn't, I don't remember him hitting on the others.
@PK: I only said watered down because both are basically the outgoing light hearted protagonists compared to Squall and Cloud in the prior games.
demosthenes
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When was the last time you played the game? And I would call it more heavy flirting than hitting. But he definitely had a thing for Yuna from the start.
How long is it going to be before it's too long?
The VII diehards are growing older and the story and gameplay are aging every day and will sooner or later be unappealing to the next core group of gamers. They're holding onto it as a trump card but sooner or later it's going to be worthless
The VII diehards are growing older and the story and gameplay are aging every day and will sooner or later be unappealing to the next core group of gamers. They're holding onto it as a trump card but sooner or later it's going to be worthless
Well, it must have been a while since you played it, since you're forgetting details. So you probably shouldn't pass harsh judgment if your memories of it are failing, right?
I am 28 and I still think that FF7 hasn't been toped since, even if it shares my personal "best Squaresoft game ever" title along with FF6 and Terranigma.
About the games that came latter, FF8 had a boring-ass combat system with a nosensical, lazy plot and hugely murder-able cast, FF9 is a joyous RPG burdened by its slow combat system but with a lot of heart to compensate it, FF10 is the best example of the strenghts of the saga, FF12 is a solid, albeit overrated dungeon crawler because according to many people, if every RPG would be Diablo this would be a better world, and FF13 is an alright game with some flaws that got panned because it dared to go against the cult of non - linearity, God forbid.
That being said, the Final Fantasy saga is on the middle of an existential crysis and well, games like FF6 or FF7 were great at the time because they dared to make things that were not seen before, not because they remaked older games, resorted to nostalgia or pegged theirselves to already existing formulas.
Holy Order Sol
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No.