The Formula 1 2012 Season |OT| The Year of the...uh...Platypus?

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Edmond Dantès;39319194 said:
Many from London are already peeved at the Olympics. I can imagine the fuore if there was a race held yearly.
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A very vocal minority. Pretty much all my friends, bar 2, cannot wait for the Olympics.

Got to remember Londoners love a moan. We will moan about everything that could disrupt our day to day life. Something like this could be a unique and awesome event.
 
Dilly said:
Is RBR trying to blow their diffuser again?

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Is that where the tunnels lead?
 
acm2000 said:
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That would be magestic. London deserves its own race if it can be done

I'd rather see Valencia/Singapore or even any other venue dropped for this.

OT: I just recovered from a severe case of food poisoning, spent 3 days in a hospital in Bangkok. It was soo horrible to the extent that they had to pick me up in an ambulance from the hotel. Not sure why am I sharing this with u guys but I'm not telling anyone at home so they don't panic

I'm back in the hotel, picked up my iPad, and the first thing I do is check this thread! Love you guys

Cheers!
 
Guys what's your favorite podcasts for F1? I've seen a few good ones but some are so biased. If Button or Hamilton don't win they say it was a horrible race.
 
grandmastashi said:
Joe Saward explains why a London GP can't work perfectly
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I'm not sure who this guy is, but his figures are not correct. Teams get less money for Europe races, the cost of shipping their equipment, which is subsidized by FOM(?) would be significantly less. He didnt factor in the sponsorship money, and tickets to a London GP would average way. Ore than a mere $200. That's not counting the massive money coming from the paddock club. And FOM are the ones paying for it, they will not have to pay the annual fee now don't they?

A London GP could be one of the most iconic races on the calendar, and breaking-even would be very achievable. England/UK will have their last hosting of a significant sporting event for the foreseeable 10 years if not more, a formula 1 event will surely help
 
Myoclonic Jerk said:
That would be magestic. London deserves its own race if it can be done

I'd rather see Valencia/Singapore or even any other venue dropped for this.

OT: I just recovered from a severe case of food poisoning, spent 3 days in a hospital in Bangkok. It was soo horrible to the extent that they had to pick me up in an ambulance from the hotel. Not sure why am I sharing this with u guys but I'm not telling anyone at home so they don't panic

I'm back in the hotel, picked up my iPad, and the first thing I do is check this thread! Love you guys

Cheers!
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Sorry to hear that MJ, I'm sure you've gotten a lot of guidelines from the doctor to take it easy on your consumption of certain foods for the next couple of weeks. Its happened to me, it sucks! Hope you feel better mate. Remember, JELLO is your friend!
 
Myoclonic Jerk said:
I'm not sure who this guy is, but his figures are not correct. Teams get less money for Europe races, the cost of shipping their equipment, which is subsidized by FOM(?) would be significantly less. He didnt factor in the sponsorship money, and tickets to a London GP would average way. Ore than a mere $200. That's not counting the massive money coming from the paddock club. And FOM are the ones paying for it, they will not have to pay the annual fee now don't they?

A London GP could be one of the most iconic races on the calendar, and breaking-even would be very achievable. England/UK will have their last hosting of a significant sporting event for the foreseeable 10 years if not more, a formula 1 event will surely help
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Nah, we're hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletic Chamionships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019 as well the Chamions League final in 2013. We're set for sporting events for a long time to come. There's no need for a London GP at all.

P.S Glad you're feeling better.
 
Myoclonic Jerk said:
I'm not sure who this guy is, but his figures are not correct. Teams get less money for Europe races, the cost of shipping their equipment, which is subsidized by FOM(?) would be significantly less. He didnt factor in the sponsorship money, and tickets to a London GP would average way. Ore than a mere $200. That's not counting the massive money coming from the paddock club. And FOM are the ones paying for it, they will not have to pay the annual fee now don't they?

A London GP could be one of the most iconic races on the calendar, and breaking-even would be very achievable. England/UK will have their last hosting of a significant sporting event for the foreseeable 10 years if not more, a formula 1 event will surely help
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You're doing a good job of missing Saward's point there. Grand Prix's in the modern era are often best utilised used to raise the profile of a place to stimulate its economy. London's economy doesn't really need any stimulating, it's already one of the most attractive cities in the world for tourists, and there's plenty of foreign money being pumped into it. It doesn't need the help, so there's hardly any chance of the government willing to foot any of the bill for a start.

It's just like buying stock. Buy high, and your chances of getting a good return on your investment are reduced.
 
London track looks really boring, you can really tell it's a advertising campaign for Santandar and Sky Sports.


Unrelated, Jake Humphrey must be making mad BBC monies this year. He's out at the Euros again and will be working at the Olympics.
 
f0rk said:
Unrelated, Jake Humphrey must be making mad BBC monies this year. He's out at the Euros again and will be working at the Olympics.
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I've said this before, he's the BBC's love-child presenter. He's likeable, young and does the job very well.
 
Ark said:
I've said this before, he's the BBC's love-child presenter. He's likeable, young and does the job very well.
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He's disliked vehemently by many on certain broadcasting forums and autosport. "Typical dumbed down BBC" is the favourite quip of the critics. He's even been accused of bullying.

It's a shame he gets that kind of stick from some quarters, he's a good chap.
 
Edmond Dantès;39337032 said:
He's disliked vehemently by many on certain broadcasting forums and autosport. "Typical dumbed down BBC" is the favourite quip of the critics. He's even been accused of bullying.

It's a shame he gets that kind of stick from some quarters, he's a good chap.
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If you're famous, people will always give you stick for something.

I think he does a cracking job - wasn't sure at first, but he has grown on me massively.
 
No way in hell this will happen, do you know how many government departments are around the proposed track layout.

Nobody will be able to get to work on the Friday, also some of these offices need 24 hour operation. So they need access on the weekend to.

This whole thing is massive PR event, and Bernie highjacked it to deflect news about that banker trial.
 
LowKeyedUp said:
Damn MJ that sounds awful. Glad you're ok mate.
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Fantomex said:
Sorry to hear that MJ, I'm sure you've gotten a lot of guidelines from the doctor to take it easy on your consumption of certain foods for the next couple of weeks. Its happened to me, it sucks! Hope you feel better mate. Remember, JELLO is your friend!
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Edmond Dantès;39327783 said:
Nah, we're hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2015, the World Athletic Chamionships in 2017 and the Cricket World Cup in 2019 as well the Chamions League final in 2013. We're set for sporting events for a long time to come. There's no need for a London GP at all.

P.S Glad you're feeling better.
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Thanks guys.

@Ed I still think that F1 is more prestigious and of a higher calibre than the other sports, especially with its political impact. You're probably right that London doesn't need f1 for its economy, but I think f1 helps in the long term with all the huge competition coming from the new mega cities around the world. Long term wise I think it is good for London. I might be completely wrong but I don't think Monaco would have sustained such popularity if f1 was never there or if it didn't keep on going there year after year ( I'm not comparing the tiny Monaco to London, but I hope you get my point)

And going by your argument, London doesn't need the Olympics, the FIFA world cup or any other sporting event. I'm sure the preparations for the Olympics might have eradicated all the potential economical benefit it would have generated

rogue_pigeon said:
You're doing a good job of missing Saward's point there. Grand Prix's in the modern era are often best utilised used to raise the profile of a place to stimulate its economy. London's economy doesn't really need any stimulating, it's already one of the most attractive cities in the world for tourists, and there's plenty of foreign money being pumped into it. It doesn't need the help, so there's hardly any chance of the government willing to foot any of the bill for a start.

It's just like buying stock. Buy high, and your chances of getting a good return on your investment are reduced.
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True, but what about what f1 needs? Maybe it needs to be in places like Monaco, London, Abu-dhabi, Singapore to keep sponsors interested in the sport. Just imagine how much would sponsors pay to get their logo appears in a London GP.

FOM would not be willing to throw in money to benefit London coty, I'm sure they see a lot of benefit to f1 from holding such an event.
 
Myoclonic Jerk said:
True, but what about what f1 needs? Maybe it needs to be in places like Monaco, London, Abu-dhabi, Singapore to keep sponsors interested in the sport. Just imagine how much would sponsors pay to get their logo appears in a London GP.

FOM would not be willing to throw in money to benefit London coty, I'm sure they see a lot of benefit to f1 from holding such an event.
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F1 isn't having any trouble attracting sponsors these days. I also think you're really over-stating the value of one-time race sponsors vs promoter fees and government subsidies.
 
rogue_pigeon said:
F1 isn't having any trouble attracting sponsors these days. I also think you're really over-stating the value of one-time race sponsors vs promoter fees and government subsidies.
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I don't agree with your first statement. Except for Ferrari, mclaren, and obviously red bull (which doesn't count), all the other teams are starving for sponsorship money. And I was just listing some of the benefits for f1 with the one-off sponsorships, it's not the main benefit there

If countries like abu dhabi, Bahrain and Melbourne host the f1 for roughly $30-40 mil and the f1 consider it profitable, given all the costs of shipping equipment and personell. I think the FOM can esily recover the cost of a zero fees london gp. Dont forget that silverstone "almost got it for free" as bernie stated when they resigned a couple of years back, so they have a comparable running model which made them comfortable to issue such a statement

Anyway, we all know it won't happen unfortunately
 
Dilly said:
Red Bull are irritating this year.
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I hope you don't mean the whole team :(



BTW, totally hyped for this Silverstone. Given how well Caterham did with round 1 of their car updates at Valencia, I'm more enthusiastic about how they'll go next weekend with some new aero. Really showing how car/team evolution is done, I think. If they can get a point or two this year (which seems almost impossible to NOT happen) I'll be over the moon. Not as much as a Webber WDC, but not far off.

PS. Melbourne isn't profitable, MJ. At least not to the city of Melbourne. Maybe to FOM, but that'd be it.
 
Shaneus said:
BTW, totally hyped for this Silverstone. Given how well Caterham did with round 1 of their car updates at Valencia, I'm more enthusiastic about how they'll go next weekend with some new aero. Really showing how car/team evolution is done, I think. If they can get a point or two this year (which seems almost impossible to NOT happen) I'll be over the moon. Not as much as a Webber WDC, but not far off.
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I have a really hard time seeing them scoring a point anywhere this season without a race involving lots of retirements.
 
I watched the video of the london track last night, only two things I dislike about it.

-Too many straights, somehow needs another set of turns to break up at least one of the straights.

-The narrow part at the final corner, I don't think that will work too well with F1 cars, way too easy for someone to clip the pillar side and cause a 15 car pileup.
 
I don't like him but I got to admit that Bernie Ecclestone is a genius because he always gets people excited with marketing stunts like this London GP.
 
Shaneus said:
PS. Melbourne isn't profitable, MJ. At least not to the city of Melbourne. Maybe to FOM, but that'd be it.
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Yeah I know, and that's what I meant. If those GPs make financial sense to FOM I'm sure the London GP would make even more

Bernie have created this empire with a very unique image of being high profile and the sport of elites. You can't maintain that image without having the likes of Monaco. And I believe a London GP would be as prestigious if not even more

Some countries need F1 but F1 also need some countries/cities
 
smiggyRT said:
I have a really hard time seeing them scoring a point anywhere this season without a race involving lots of retirements.
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Possibly, but remember that both had to pit due to incidents at Valencia. Take away the majority of the DNFs *and* their run-ins, and I think you would've seen a similar result last weekend anyway. They need to make the most of the STR drivers' inexperience to get into that top 10.
 
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