Support NeoGAF

[Dacvak]

5. It's not a PS3 in your hands, but it's certainly more powerful than an iPad 2 (or 3, for that matter, which I own). You are fighting hyperbole with hyperbole.


6. "Very, very, very few products"

You added a "very". =P And to be frank, two games is "very, very few" to me.

As for the iPad 2/3 claim, I've got both an iPad 2 and iPad 3, and I've seen renderings that are technically more impressive to me than what I see on my Vita. Here's the thing, though - I'm not 100% sure, and I doubt you are, either. What I'd like to do is take a look at the technical specifications of both the GPU and CPU of each device, and make a proper claim then. Either way, the Vita is much closer to a modern iPad than it is to a PS3.

And I can't believe how many people are misconstruing my post. I'm not at all negative towards the Vita. I say right in the post that I'm glad I bought it. I love my Vita and think it's and excellent system.

But people need to be realistic when influencing others, and the post that dude made was way over-the-top. I was just offering a more matter-of-fact approach, though it came off negative since I was countering the boisterous claims. Not my intention.

Either way, there are a lot of bad things with the Vita, and a lot of good things. It's easy for someone with even a mild agenda to only list one side, though. And I think that's kind of unfair.

 

[LamerDeluxe]

make it look different from the PSP

That could be a good idea.

and take off expensive items like the rear touch)

You know that will never happen, because games already use it. I could see a smaller, slimmer, more pocketable version coming out some day.

The 3DS doesn't seem to be doing very well at the moment, at least over here, I used to get at least one streetpass hit per day, now weeks can go by without any hits at all. Vita topics also seem more active than the 3DS ones. The XL could help, but the higher price will probably be a disadvantage.

I hope both Vita and 3DS will do well because competition is good and I like both systems, I also don't care much for mobile phone gaming, I have a lot of mobile games but hardly ever play them.

 

[DBT85]

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.

That's a bold prediction.

 

[Canis lupus]

The ps3 had a metric shit ton of MAJOR games announced for it. That's the difference. The only thing killing it was price and a competing product from MS. Nothing at all like the Vita situation.

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.



You say 15 year old port, but we're talking about OOT here. That game is similar to FFVII as far as impact goes. The Vita has nothing close to that caliber except FFX HD. Which is multiplatform. And is also vaporware. If Sony announced FFVII Vita tomorrow, how many people would say "big deal, it's just a 15 year old game, why is this even full price?".

In what regards wil Vita follow psp go trajectory? Yes PS3 had shit ton of major games announced but they did not hit shelves for the first 3 years of its existence. Neither did PSP had major games announced for it back in 2004 or 2005 outside GTA LCS. I'm sure you remember the "PS3 haz no gaemz" complaints 5 years ago.

 

[SolsticeZero]

If you want to compare Vita to previous consoles, look at the PSP go. Vita will follow that hardware's trajectory.

The PSP Go was a reinvention of an existing piece of hardware, not a whole new game console. Had the Go been it the true successor to the PSP, it probably would have done a lot better. But it wasn't. It was a PSP without a UMD drive so many people couldn't play their current library. The Vita is a completely new system, so it will get a lot more of an install base than the go.

Therefore, you are mistaken.

Funny youre accusing me of fanboyism and favoritism here as I could easily accuse you of the same.

I'm simply getting at the fact that you're calling the Vita games watered down, when one of the most popular 3DS games pre-Mario was a remake of a Zelda game. And as far as having portable games that can be played in short bursts, Stardust, Escape Plan, and Unit 13 are perfect examples. They have that "micro missions" style that you don't see much in full on console games.

 

[Mentaiko_Allergy]

Wow. Didn't take long for the haters to chime in. Had one dude claim there are absolutely no in games in development (really dude? really?) and another guy go all gamefaqs fanboy mode. Hater-Gaf is funny and Sony/Vita really brings that out for some reason.

I'm glad OP was able to form an opinion even with this shitfest of a thread.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Wow. Didn't take long for the haters to chime in. Had one dude claim there are absolutely no in games in development (really dude? really?) and another guy go all gamefaqs fanboy mode. Hater-Gaf is funny and Sony/Vita really brings that out for some reason.

I'm glad OP was able to form an opinion even with this shitfest of a thread.

I don't think there's any reason to generalize the entire thread based off of a few posters' opinions. There are many different opinions expressed in this thread, it's just that most of them aren't inflammatory.

 

[Pillville]

I bought a used Vita for super cheap on Craigslist, so I can't complain about the price I paid, but retail price kept me from buying a new one when it came out.

A couple of things (besides games) that could help the Vita:

1. A microSD to VitaSD adapter (probably impossible).
2. A PC/Mac application to download and organize your digital games (like Steam, iTunes).
3. Indie App store like Android/WindowsPhone/iOS

and a couple UI things that bug the hell out of me:

1. Allow menus to be navigated with buttons instead of touch only.
2. Allow fast PSN account switching
3. Allow more "bubbles" on a screen and allow "bubbles" to be arranged in grid instead of offset stack.

 

[SolsticeZero]

A couple of things (besides games) that could help the Vita:

1. A microSD to VitaSD adapter (probably impossible). Probably won't happen to reduce the chance of piracy, which was their big problem on the PSP.
2. A PC/Mac application to download and organize your digital games (like Steam, iTunes). Again, probably won't happen, due to possible hacking of the files.
3. Indie App store like Android/WindowsPhone/iOS Isn't this what Playstation Mobile is gonna be?

and a couple UI things that bug the hell out of me:

1. Allow menus to be navigated with buttons instead of touch only. Agreed
2. Allow fast PSN account switching Definitely agreed
3. Allow more "bubbles" on a screen and allow "bubbles" to be arranged in grid instead of offset stack. Or into folders. I would love folders.

See my notes above. Welcome to NeoGAF.

 

[Mentaiko_Allergy]

I don't think there's any reason to generalize the entire thread based off of a few posters' opinions. There are many different opinions expressed in this thread, it's just that most of them aren't inflammatory.

Wasn't trying to generalize the entire thread. I apologize if my post came off that way.

 

[btkadams]

I bought a used Vita for super cheap on Craigslist, so I can't complain about the price I paid, but retail price kept me from buying a new one when it came out.

A couple of things (besides games) that could help the Vita:

1. A microSD to VitaSD adapter (probably impossible).
2. A PC/Mac application to download and organize your digital games (like Steam, iTunes).
3. Indie App store like Android/WindowsPhone/iOS

and a couple UI things that bug the hell out of me:

1. Allow menus to be navigated with buttons instead of touch only.
2. Allow fast PSN account switching
3. Allow more "bubbles" on a screen and allow "bubbles" to be arranged in grid instead of offset stack.

the vita memory cards are too small for an sd adapter, so you're correct in assuming it is impossible.

a pc/mac application does exist. you just have to first download the stuff to your vita, and then back it all up to the pc/mac through the application. they did this so that your mac/pc couldn't access the file directory (piracy i'm assuming). i have all of my psp games/saves and vita games/saves backed up on my computer.

 

[staticneuron]

Well i would argue strategy seems to different for Nintendo. With games like 3D land, kid icarus or Luigis Mansion they are at least trying to make games that specifically fit the handheld format with designing time limits and short levels in each of these games. These games also do not resemble any experience you can already get on the Wii which is why theyre not watered down. Theyre either significantly different, complete and actualized sequels (such as mario kart 7), or new franchise altogether in kid icarus.

Uncharted golden abyss on the other hand is obviously watered down from something like Uncharted 3, i dont think i even need to explain the many reasons why if you are thinking with a clear unbiased mind.

Also 3ds has the 3d which offers a kind of unique experience, whether it appeals to you or not. Funny youre accusing me of fanboyism and favoritism here as I could easily accuse you of the same.

That doesn't make any sense at all. UC:GA isn't even trying to be like UC3, has a different story/setting and has gameplay functions and objectives that are not found in ANY of the UC's on a console. The only thing you could honestly say is watered down is the graphics and I really shouldn't have to point out how silly that would be.


This is the problem when people debate bias. Simple logic is thrown out the window in favor of going to great lengths to prove a an inane point.

There is simply no such thing as gameplay that "belongs" on a handheld/console. It doesn't even matter if you try to argue about play sessions since all handhelds since the DS have suspend options.

Personal preference is not fact nor is it always going to be shared by everyone.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

Wasn't trying to generalize the entire thread. I apologize if my post came off that way.

It's no problem man, I'm not trying to attack you or anything and I definitely understand where you're coming from. The thing is, even though this thread has some opinions that I think are a little on the fringe side of things I still think it's a better place for advice on rather or not a Vita's worth it than just about anywhere else on the internet, you know? There are a lot of solid, informed opinions in here. Of course, the Vita discussion thread is even better.

 

[eastmen]

i won one from taco bell and I'm already looking to sell it . I don't play games enough anymore and since i normaly drive i don't have have time to play it where it wouldn't bud into my console or pc gaming and i'd perfer that. For the rare ocasions i do have time for mobile gaming only i have a 3ds.

 

[JakkuFurosu]

Of course, the Vita discussion thread is even better.

i would vote against that....its like going into any gen console/handheld thread....the ppl there are fans/owners and everyone just about will tell you to go for it (including me).

 

[JimtotheHum]

I'm really happy with my Vita so far. Plenty of good games already, and more coming on the horizon. It's a fun piece of hardware.

 

[Pollux]

I never considered a Vita. This thread has convinced me to look into it. I never ha a PSP do I could dive into that library and keep up with the current games. Not saying I'm going to get one, but at least I'm considering it now.

 

[Mechanized]

I love the hardware. I don't like enough games on it for it to be worth the purchase though.

It's weird though. I think when the PSP came out I had just one game for ages and yet that was still worth it. I guess I just value my money more now.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

i would vote against that....its like going into any gen console/handheld thread....the ppl there are fans/owners and everyone just about will tell you to go for it (including me).

Yeah, I can see that. I just think the discussion in general feels a little more relaxed and informed.

 

[Pillville]

the vita memory cards are too small for an sd adapter, so you're correct in assuming it is impossible.

a pc/mac application does exist. you just have to first download the stuff to your vita, and then back it all up to the pc/mac through the application. they did this so that your mac/pc couldn't access the file directory (piracy i'm assuming). i have all of my psp games/saves and vita games/saves backed up on my computer.

I don't want to download to Vita first. Especially when some games are 2+ GB and my card is only 8GB. Fills up quick.
My computer has 1TB drive, ethernet network connection, 25" screen, keyboard and mouse. Much easier to download and organize on that. iTunes does not have the huge piracy issues that PSP had. There is some iTunes piracy, but it's very limited. Same with Steam.

Sony has taken the "lock it down, even if it makes it hard for our customers" approach. While other take the "do our best without interfering with user experience" approach. I like the 2nd way much better, and I think it makes the company more money in the long run.

 

[grimshawish]

You know that will never happen, because games already use it. I could see a smaller, slimmer, more pocketable version coming out some day.

A smaller version certainly would be popular. I don't know enough about the cost of the rear touch it just seems a bit unneccessary; which if your cutting costs and fighting for your systems life - I wouldn't call it impossible. Just a random idea though; sure Sony will be looking at more practical things.

The 3DS doesn't seem to be doing very well at the moment, at least over here, I used to get at least one streetpass hit per day, now weeks can go by without any hits at all. Vita topics also seem more active than the 3DS ones. The XL could help, but the higher price will probably be a disadvantage.

Its probably doing slightly below 'decent' some weeks. I think the XL will only really work if theres a big marketing push. Nintendo need to sell dedicated handhelds again.

All the disadvantages to mobile gaming show theres a market for this. Meanwhile they need to get the eshop running faster - if they can offer developers more incentive to develop for the 3DS over Apple - they will be the ones getting the hits. Not Apple.

A price controlled market might not be loved by App consumers, but their developers really will - especially as things appear to be getting harder in that market.

I hope both Vita and 3DS will do well because competition is good and I like both systems, I also don't care much for mobile phone gaming, I have a lot of mobile games but hardly ever play them.

The problem is that sometimes competition claims a victim and I just think the Vita is that bit too far. I don't know why Sony didn't do a Wii; the PSP was already a step too far - they needed to slow down the pace a bit - developers would love 2 systems like the 3DS - the Vita though is too costly to develop for to be worth the bother.

I wish the Vita were doing better, if only because I worry some companies might just see the handheld market as a failing one. Which I don't believe it is

 

[JakkuFurosu]

Yeah, I can see that. I just think the discussion in general feels a little more relaxed and informed.

lol it is a helluva lot more relaxed thats for sure.

 

[jrDev]

Hmm. . .

3DS

Mario Kart
Mario 3D Land
DOAD
SFIV
Resident Evil revelations
Tales of the Abyss
Kid Icarus
Mario Power Tennis
Final Fantasy Theathrythm
Kingdom Hearts 3d(July)
NSMB3D(August)

Vita
UmVC3
MK
Rayman Origins
Gravity Rush
Uncharted
Ninja Gaiden
Disgaea 3
Persona 4(October)
MGSHD
LBP(holiday)

Finding 10 for each wasn't too difficult for me.

Wow, looking at the 2 lists in comparison is bad for the Vita...just, eh...

 

[Jomjom]

No it is not worth it to buy at the moment. I'm a Sony fan, but I still wouldn't advise rewarding them when they don't even seem to be in a hurry to support the thing.

This is coming from someone who bought a $600 60gb PS3 when it pretty much just had Resistance and SSD HD for the longest time. It took quite a while before Sony finally decided to support the PS3 right. The way they handled the PS3 lost them a lot of goodwill with me.

If Sony eventually does for Vita what it did for the PS3, then by all means, buy it then. I will too.

 

[VanWinkle]

Wow, looking at the 2 lists in comparison is bad for the Vita...just, eh...

Isn't that subjective? To me, that Vita's lineup looks way more preferable.

Edit: Just did a quick check on Metacritic for the average score of the games listed in the post you quoted (the ones that are out, obviously), and both lists have a 81 average. So I say both systems have a great lineup IMO, although I prefer the lineup of Vita.

 

[Raptomex]

When and if a GTA is announced for it or Twisted Metal then I'll get one. Otherwise I'll wait for the price to drop significantly.

 

[Triz]

I love my Vita. That damn Treasures of Montezuma Blitz is the best free game Ive ever played thanks to the most recent patch and has me picking up the vita every hour to play it.

 

[jrDev]

Isn't that subjective? To me, that Vita's lineup looks way more preferable.

That's fine and all but I don't think the OP is looking to buy ports with the money he has to spend on this thing...

 

[HawksWinStanley]

As of right now the answer is a huge no from me. The hilarious price of the memory cards alone is enough for me to avoid the thing. And I thought MS ripped you off with their accessories...

 

[Mr Swine]

That's fine and all but I don't think the OP is looking to buy ports with the money he has to spend on this thing...

Well they bought the handheld and can't say something else....

 

[gutter_trash]

google search vita memory cards.......
hmmm

nope not getting one, they still expensive mem cards

 

[VanWinkle]

Well they bought the handheld and can't say something else....

Huh? It's not like I can't complain about something I own. I have both the 3DS and the Vita, and I've voiced my displeasure to Sony about the lack of original Vita games on the PS Blog many, many times. That doesn't mean I don't honestly think Vita has a better lineup than 3DS, because I do. It may have more games that are also on consoles, but some of those console games, I never even considered getting until there was a competent version on the Vita (like Mortal Kombat). So, in that way, I think it's a little silly to discount a lineup just because there's versions that are also on a completely different platform (where you're confined to one spot to play).

 

[fernoca]

Plus Mortal Kombat is $20 on Gamestop at the moment and Gamestop is also giving a $50 gift card with Vita-purchases. So, one considering buying one can get the Vita, Mortal Kombat and Memory Card..for the price of the Vita alone ($250).

 

[TheFLYINGManga_Ka]

Yes and no.

I always reply to this topic the same way: I love the Vita and I'm glad I have one, but I probably could've (or should've) waited for all the deals or for a future price drop.

Honestly, there are a lack of games. There are some cool stuff and some good titles coming but it still needs to pick it up and get more games.

IMO, the proprietary memory sticks hurt the system more than anything. Sony should've ditched the 3G thing and invested in internal memory instead with memory sticks as an optional upgrade. Instead of having a non-3G model for $250 and a 3G one for $300, it should've been a 16GB model for $250 and a 32GB model for $300. Having to purchase a memory stick with the system was too much now that I think about it. And it's still not enough space. Internal memory could've solved a lot of this. If the Vita is supposed to adapt a similar model to the iPad/iPod Touches, they should've went that direction.

Maybe in a future upgrade they'll have an internal memory, but I think it could be too late for that unless it launches at a cheaper price.

 

[Later Alligator]

Love the vita, one of my fav systems i've owned. #1 would probably be PS2, with N64 in at #2

 

[Dave Long]

It seems destined to do worse than the PSP by a rather significant margin. I think it's safe to say unless there's something you absolutely have to play on it today, Vita is definitely a system to wait on and maybe never purchase at all.

PSP Go is selling for $70 used. People were so excited when that shipped... perspective is good.

 

[smr00]

Wow, looking at the 2 lists in comparison is bad for the Vita...just, eh...

All comes down to preference.

Gravity Rush/Rayman alone is better then all retail 3DS games i have played. People say it doesn't have games yet i just got mine yesterday and already own 4 retail games i absolutely love and am getting more next week and quite a few coming in the next months. It just depends what kind of games you like because i have a 3DS and i only own Mario Tennis, Mario Land and Kid Icarus and only am interested in maybe 2-3 upcoming games this year for it as where i can think of about 6-8 off the top of my head for the vita that i want.

 

[Slappers Only]

It's a slick piece of hardware that doesn't have much that interests me at the moment.

I suffered through Burning Skies enough to discover that dual sticks is something I'll be happy to use on Vita to play good shooters once/if they show up.

 

[AgentP]

Isn't that subjective? To me, that Vita's lineup looks way more preferable.

Edit: Just did a quick check on Metacritic for the average score of the games listed in the post you quoted (the ones that are out, obviously), and both lists have a 81 average. So I say both systems have a great lineup IMO, although I prefer the lineup of Vita.

No kidding, I can't find one game on the 3DS list I'd play. I have no attachment to any Nintendo franchise, their names mean nothing to me and frankly look like children games, Mario tennis, really?. The vita list is full of games I recognize and want to play.

 

[nasos_333]

Isn't that subjective? To me, that Vita's lineup looks way more preferable.

Edit: Just did a quick check on Metacritic for the average score of the games listed in the post you quoted (the ones that are out, obviously), and both lists have a 81 average. So I say both systems have a great lineup IMO, although I prefer the lineup of Vita.

I think the problem with Vita is that is sharing a lot with PS3

Rayman Origins - on PS3/360
Uncharted - on PS3, different version though
Ninja Gaiden - everywhere
Disgaea 3 - PS3
Persona 4(October) - PS2
MGSHD - PS3
LBP(holiday) - PS3, different version


Same goes for Dragons Crown and Heroes of Ruin, which are games that i would buy a Vita for, but i can get them on my PS3

I think they need far more 100% exclusive games for the system

In contrast 3DS has games like Zelda OOT 3D remake, Bravely Default and full BC and i just have to get one for those

 

[hertog]

I also use it as a tablet.

But go for it, best handheld I've ever owned.

 

[fluffydelusions]

Hardware wise it's awesome, software wise (as of now) meh and not much in the forecast afaik.

 

[Square Triangle]

As of right now the answer is a huge no from me. The hilarious price of the memory cards alone is enough for me to avoid the thing. And I thought MS ripped you off with their accessories...

It's only your fault if you buy ANY accessory at MSRP.

 

[randomkid]

Someone tell me that Sega Genesis Collection looks awesome on it. I've been meaning to play Ecco and Ristar and the Phantasy Stars and I think Vita is probably the best place to play these games right?

When PSX games get added and a deal comes up, that's when I'll pick up my Vita. There are already five games I want to try so that plus my PSP backlog is enough for me even if the future is kinda shaky.

 

[elty]

I am in the same dilemma. I bought a Vita for $150 (can be refunded). There seems to be plenty of interesting PSP games. However I don't really know if I:

1) want to spend another $85 on a memory card.
2) this thing has no TV out which I really want.
3) Almost no game currently interested me.
4) No game sale for US!

 

[OmegaZero]

I think the problem with Vita is that is sharing a lot with PS3

Rayman Origins - on PS3/360
Uncharted - on PS3, different version though
Ninja Gaiden - everywhere
Disgaea 3 - PS3
Persona 4(October) - PS2
MGSHD - PS3
LBP(holiday) - PS3, different version

These aren't really helping your point, especially if they offer something different then the console titles.

 

[demosthenes]

Is it worth owning a Vita?

Yes, yes it is. I love mine, and look forward to all the games coming out for it down the road.

 

[Huff]

Well i would argue strategy seems to different for Nintendo. With games like 3D land, kid icarus or Luigis Mansion they are at least trying to make games that specifically fit the handheld format with designing time limits and short levels in each of these games. These games also do not resemble any experience you can already get on the Wii which is why theyre not watered down. Theyre either significantly different, complete and actualized sequels (such as mario kart 7), or new franchise altogether in kid icarus.

Uncharted golden abyss on the other hand is obviously watered down from something like Uncharted 3, i dont think i even need to explain the many reasons why if you are thinking with a clear unbiased mind.

Also 3ds has the 3d which offers a kind of unique experience, whether it appeals to you or not. Funny youre accusing me of fanboyism and favoritism here as I could easily accuse you of the same.

if by watered down, you mean better than uc3 than you are correct

 

[Alligatorjandro]

Does it have games you want to play?If it does then get one.

 

[sajj316]

I think the problem with Vita is that is sharing a lot with PS3

Rayman Origins - on PS3/360
Uncharted - on PS3, different version though
Ninja Gaiden - everywhere
Disgaea 3 - PS3
Persona 4(October) - PS2
MGSHD - PS3
LBP(holiday) - PS3, different version


Same goes for Dragons Crown and Heroes of Ruin, which are games that i would buy a Vita for, but i can get them on my PS3

I think they need far more 100% exclusive games for the system

In contrast 3DS has games like Zelda OOT 3D remake, Bravely Default and full BC and i just have to get one for those

Some of those titles for both PS3 and Vita have cross save functions for essentially taking the console equivalent on the go. Whether its good or bad, it is their strategy. Uncharted and LBP are the equivalent of Mario 3D Land and NSM2 on the 3DS as basically extensions of the franchise.

I agree on the exclusives piece. Exclusives are few and far in between. Even for Nintendo as their focus is launching the Wii U. They were just smart about announcing 3DS titles well ahead of time thus pressuring themselves to deliver.

Gravity Rush and Uncharted:GA have been fantastic exclusives. AC3 Liberation and Declassified will provide to be system sellers in due time. Soul Sacrifice will be a serviceable title in Japan until Capcom delivers some derivative of MH4.