scytheavatar
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Fourth day is impossible, taking an extra day off is a big deal for most of these players.
EVO 2012 Thread 2 Because one thread wasnt enough to hold all the hype and the salt
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Fourth day is impossible, taking an extra day off is a big deal for most of these players.
98k I believe in Marvel GF
toddhunter
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98k
Here are my thoughts (As usual probably not popular
)- The $12 charge for the stream was a little steep, but ultimately well worth the money. 720p streams were solid throughout and the chat was almost sane. Would like to see more of it provided there is a unified charge and not a different one each event.
- Having said it was too steep, I paid it to watch the archive of Floe alone. This was gold from start to finish.
- Humanbomb was great to see do well. I respect him for leaving to level up, and actually doing it. I'm sure he will be even better next time. He might not be at the top level yet, but a champion is a champion.
- Scheduling still needs to be worked on. SF4 was a total non-event today. It should have been finished on Friday night when everybody was hyped OR they could have cut out things like TTT2 so we were not hours late. Something needs to be done there.
- I didn't find KOF that exciting. It took forever and pretty much failed to make me care. It was watch-able because it was close, but I wouldn't want to sit through it again. Maybe once a year is ok, but I am certainly not on the bandwagon.
- Cheering for somebody like Combofiend was great. Cheering against Chris G, Justin Wong and F. Champ is even better. Shame Champ just squeaked through. I completely respect his play, he is the best. But that doesn't mean I have to like him for a second.
- A lot of people get blinded by regional loyalties. But I understand this, it is ok. The Mexican chanting wasn't cool though. It did seem to die down a bit, so I'm hoping people at the venue stood up and said something?
- When all the bullshit is done and dusted, the FGC is still the best. I believe the stream didn't quite crack 100k, which is a shame, but bigger and better things are sure to come. Everybody involved with the event did an awesome job. Some tweaks here and there are needed, but it was better then last year in almost every way. And last year was still pretty darn good.
- Alex Valle is only like 34. What the fuck is up with that? Man that bummed me out when I heard it.
For the record:
SF4 ~ 1.5 hours
Marvel ~ 2 hours
KOF ~ 3 hours
Oh, and one last thing.
Thousands of players, 100k people watching on stream, awesome hard working staff putting on one of the best shows of all time, and nobody thought to sort out some updated brackets? GYT on twitter, eventhubs and the kind Gaffer (whose name escapes me) managed to piece it together, but surely, somebody, somewhere, would be happy to spend the time to receive results and tick the boxes. I would have no problem doing it if I could travel to the event. This isn't a one off either, is there something I'm missing? Seriously.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I'm thinking maybe it wouldn't be a half-bad idea to start and finish a game on the same day instead of saving every top 8 for the end, then add an extra day and try to "group" games by what you'd expect to have the most overlap. Something like 3D fighters all on one day, Capcom fighters all on another, and so forth. That way the one-game specialists wouldn't have to book as many days off in the first place.
Probably wouldn't happen since it would kill off a lot of the hype build-up found in the current finals day format though.
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Impossible? Who are these people, slaves from the deep south? Inmates on day release? If you can travel to Vegas for the weekend to compete in a fighting game tourney you can get an extra day of vacation.
toddhunter
Member
Extra day is a big call. You not only increase the costs for competitors (vacation days are money lost in Australia at least) but the venue needs to be booked for an extra day, which may be a lot more expensive as it will limit what the venue can do that week.
KidA Seven
Member
damnit no salty suites?
Maybe some kind of seeding system where unseeded players play the weekend before.
For an example, the FA Cup involves every football club from the top tier professional teams to amateur village sides. The big professional sides don't enter until the later rounds.
So you have the earlier rounds on another weekend a month or so before, with the big players entering the competition on EVO weekend with the lesser players that progressed from the earlier rounds. By removing a good proportion of the earlier rounds from the EVO weekend it could free up space for other games.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Team Hazmat was running a stream out of Harrah's last night. That's all I know of, and while those guys were pretty good the only "notable" player who showed up there last night was Noah. Like I said, finding after-hours games has been kind of a pain this weekend compared to most other majors I've been to, for some reason. :/ Not a single person on my phone has texted me back tonight when I asked if and where casuals/MMs were going down.
Giving out extra byes for known talent is a terrible idea. No player deserves that kind of advantage.
toddhunter
Member
Problem is this would either kill international competition, or create a lot of small mickey mouse events where you could show up and qualify compared to say an event in Northern California. It needs to be at one event, so I think it just needs a bit of shuffling. If SF4 had been finished on Friday, it would have been pretty much ok.
MarkMan
loves Arcade Sticks
On behalf of Mad Catz and my deepest appreciation... Thank you everyone who tuned in and enjoyed the event. EVO and the FGC are very important to me.
I hope you guys love this and continue to love it/share the experience for years to come. If you have the chance, please come out to EVO in future years and give me the pleasure of meeting you and shaking your hands. Thanks everyone for the support!
I hope you guys love this and continue to love it/share the experience for years to come. If you have the chance, please come out to EVO in future years and give me the pleasure of meeting you and shaking your hands. Thanks everyone for the support!
Red Liquorice
Member
I only saw the final and a few earlier matches but I thought AE was pretty boring this year, I guess it's just all the surprises and new characters etc are old now, even the final was pretty uneventful, it never seemed like it was anyone's game but Akuma.
The real stars for me this year were the amazing KOF and VF5 play - hope to see more of these in the future, it definately made me want to get in on the fun, if only KOF had decent netcode.
The real stars for me this year were the amazing KOF and VF5 play - hope to see more of these in the future, it definately made me want to get in on the fun, if only KOF had decent netcode.
Yeah, I was just thinking about how football tournaments and tennis work with with people attaining their rank by competing in different tournaments throughout the year. Its a pipe-dream really, requiring organisation on a global scale between the US, European and Asian scenes to make it work.
I think it would be interesting to have 'official' tournaments of different levels over the world (minors, majors) which players competing to get their ranking for EVO (grand slam). with wildcard places left over for some players that did not qualify for EVO.
WAR recon zero
Banned
Evo never fails to dissapoint.
Called Champ to win Marvel. Did not get the result with Bala. I had Ricky O winning SF4
Great tournament, great experience!
Hype Meter:
1. Marvel
2. KOF
3. Mortal Kombat
4. SF4
I want to hear more about the assist change event tho. The salty runback will be epic
Called Champ to win Marvel. Did not get the result with Bala. I had Ricky O winning SF4
Great tournament, great experience!
Hype Meter:
1. Marvel
2. KOF
3. Mortal Kombat
4. SF4
I want to hear more about the assist change event tho. The salty runback will be epic
"God's Beard!"
Member
lol Neo was so salty over Bala. He was giving 4-1 odds
as far as side bets go, the place was nuts, cannons had to yell at people grouping up for bets
nobody would bet against fchamp or infiltration, it was pretty funny
as far as side bets go, the place was nuts, cannons had to yell at people grouping up for bets
nobody would bet against fchamp or infiltration, it was pretty funny
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Isn't that exactly what they do right now. Give seed points to the winners of regional tourneys, i.e. the "road to EVO"?
The event is lopsided as it is. Not many people will fly halfway around the world just to get their ass handed to them.
scytheavatar
Member
Just because you can doesn't mean you would love to do it. When Mr Wizard made a topic on SRK asking if people are open to the idea of a 4th day he asked if people will turn out on Thursday irregardless of whatever game that is put on that day, and many replied that they wouldn't. This creates the problem of Thursday potentially being a dumping ground and people being unhappy about being forced to turn out on Thursday.
toddhunter
Member
Yeah and it doesn't really work if you check out the final seedings (I can't find a link but they are all over the shop).
I would certainly be happy to fly over to EVO and lose, just to be a part of it. Shame life just gets in the way at the moment :|
Why is this not okay? The US does it all the damn time. The script gets flipped and its not okay?
WAR recon zero
Banned
It's because Mexicans the chant using a word that's sometimes equivalent to the f* word, and then used the "bitch" chant.
esports and all that, but this is something we are not used to. also, it's uncalled for
esports and all that, but this is something we are not used to. also, it's uncalled for
Gokurakumaru
Banned
Catching up after falling asleep before Mavhel finals
Really really happy for F.Champ, his Dorm is a work of art
Still, KOF was much more hype than Mavhel this year, Mad Kof is a beast
Will watch AE tonight
KOF was the best.
You know it's been good when your Grand Finals last 40 minutes.
toddhunter
Member
Depends what words are in the script. Chanting 'USA USA USA' or 'Aussie, Aussie, Aussie oi oi oi' is generally annoying as fuck to other people, but that is mostly the point. Offensive chants enclosed in a hall for a video game tournament is a different matter.
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
No. Top placers in Road to Evo events get seeded for Evo, but they do not automatically get multiple byes to pass them all the way through pools. That's pretty different.
I mean, sure, being able to ride my 20th seed through the 2/3 Marvel pools would have been nice, but I'd be the last person to argue that I deserve it. If you're deserving, you should be able to prove it by playing through the bracket like everyone else anyway.
lol
When you open up to the world, you may not like what you get. Every single other major or tournament is scrubby as hell with shitty pots, cussing and "pop-offs." All of a sudden, expecting Evo to be magically free from this is silly. Hell, Norcal started popping off when FChamp won.
The chants stopped when you eliminated a Mexican player. Just like the USA chants did when the US players got bounced. Think its offensive? Send em packing out of the tournament.
Diablohead
Member
It was late so I started to watch the marvel matches in bed with my ipad, fucking twitch app is so shit it stopped working after about 30 minutes and multiple restarts and closing/opening the app was not helping. I've been frustrated with their app for months but last night was the final straw for shit from it, nothing else streams as badly as that twitch.tv app does.
Apart from that a great weekend to spectate, I need to go back and watch the mvc3 finals and for what I have read, one good SF4 match.
KoF was HYPE! two amazing players giving it their all anyone could have won that.
Apart from that a great weekend to spectate, I need to go back and watch the mvc3 finals and for what I have read, one good SF4 match.
KoF was HYPE! two amazing players giving it their all anyone could have won that.
Windom Earle
Member
Worst Evo I have ever watched. Not enough hype and all the wrong people won. It had to happen one day. 
Good shit. Thanks.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
Banned
Thanks for tuning in guys. We worked hard to get you the best we could. It still impresses me the quality of the broadcast we were able to do with just two laptops and some small toys. For as small as a group and little in professional equipment we had, I felt it turned out to be fantastic. I hope you guys feel the same. Thanks again.
I'm going to sleep now as I just got home from driving all night.
I'm going to sleep now as I just got home from driving all night.
toddhunter
Member
Yeah no. There is a big difference between what went on for a short period today and regular tournament banter. Even the norcal stuff was directed at Champ, so isn't comparable. You might also notice that the chanting was during KOF, which had Mexican representation (against other nations) right till the end. The offensive chanting however did not persist for whatever reason.
Suggesting that you should 'send somebody packing' to stop offensive behaviour is something you might also want to reflect on. Getting 'opened up to the world' does not mean being exposed more to the antics of a small niche of people you may be used to. Unless you are talking about tournaments in Mexico or something...then I don't know. Anyway not the place for a fighting game ethics debate. I've got my opinion on the subject, you are welcome to your's.
StriKeVillain
Banned
Great stuff to you and the team. You guys really did put on something nice. Had a lot of fun watching all weekend.
Missed the entirety of SF4 since it was so late, a real shame. The freaking thing several hours later than in previous years, what the fuck? I'll catch it on the archives later but it seems it wasn't that great anyway?
Anyway, EVO was good, but the scheduling problems really bummed me out, I missed a lot of the late night matches because of this. KOF and Mahvel were MAD HYPE, just awesome. I can respect FChump's game since he didn't use Phoenix at the end. Even Mortal Kombat was pretty cool.
Too bad the stream didn't break 100K viewers, seems it peaked with KOF ahuhauhaua
Anyway, EVO was good, but the scheduling problems really bummed me out, I missed a lot of the late night matches because of this. KOF and Mahvel were MAD HYPE, just awesome. I can respect FChump's game since he didn't use Phoenix at the end. Even Mortal Kombat was pretty cool.
Too bad the stream didn't break 100K viewers, seems it peaked with KOF ahuhauhaua
Takamura-San
Member
Had to skim the AE finals this morning before work. Good thing that most of these were 2-0, made my skimming much more easier.
I'm very disappointed with the scheduling this year. It has been like this every years, but i thought that it would be better this year. When I saw the schedule and saw that finals started at 11am PST i Knew that i was going to miss the AE finals. For some reason this annoyed me the most this year. There's a cry that the FGC should get as many views as possible and get as many people into it, but they can't accommodate for a whole coast on the same nation? From the twitter feed it seems like AE started at 1:30 am.... who's going to be hype at that hour, more so on a sunday.
I can understand that people over europe have it way worse, but the sad thing is that EVO is hosted in the US and it only caters to the west coast.
Could you please state what was the offensive chant?
Was it when the Mexicans chanted "culero" or something like that?
I'm very disappointed with the scheduling this year. It has been like this every years, but i thought that it would be better this year. When I saw the schedule and saw that finals started at 11am PST i Knew that i was going to miss the AE finals. For some reason this annoyed me the most this year. There's a cry that the FGC should get as many views as possible and get as many people into it, but they can't accommodate for a whole coast on the same nation? From the twitter feed it seems like AE started at 1:30 am.... who's going to be hype at that hour, more so on a sunday.
I can understand that people over europe have it way worse, but the sad thing is that EVO is hosted in the US and it only caters to the west coast.
Could you please state what was the offensive chant?
Was it when the Mexicans chanted "culero" or something like that?
It peaked with Marvel at about 98k.
Would've peaked with SF4 if they weren't running a full 2 and a half hours late.
toddhunter
Member
Do you think Champ will keep it up? I'd hate to think the hours and cost he has sunk into Marvel over the past year. Sure he got a payoff today, but at some point he would have to question the commitment, especially since he has a victory now.
Takamura-San
Member
Is not like he had a choice.
Infrit was shutting down his phoenix in that first set. Phoenix play is hard on that level since you are in a rush to build meter and not use it. That makes that first half of the match very long since you have to do long sting combos without any supers and you keep opponents alive that would otherwise be dead if you could use supers.
Then you have phoenix being constantly snapped in, and having to deal with that. Champ is really good at keeping phoenix alive.
Phoenixazure
Member
Yea. Its a rather offensive word but one thats used rather frequently. (Hell, when WWE Raw a few weeks ago had a LOUD culero chant for one of the bad guy characters and its a PG Show) So while it is offensive by definition, i'd also attribute it more to that crowd getting into it in their own way (which may be more insult laden than others) I don't think its fair to completely blow it out of porportion for them (imo) and their chanting became more positive and the insult chanted waned. Don't forget the amazing KOF chant by everyone at the end either (which was a FGC moment right there)
Takamura-San
Member
Thanks for the clarification.
I don't know well how the connotation of the word is on Mexico. Sounds like something akin to "pendejo" in Puerto Rico, which can be very offensive in many situations.
I don't know how I feel about it. It is very common on competitive events to heckle the competition. Even the booing for some of the matches (minus the Mago, troll booing) felt really weird. I don't know, there people play fighting games, is not like they have a voice or a political view that should make them that unpopular that would warrant booing.