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How? More people play SF4 than marvel. It literally doesn't make any sense for Marvel to be the main game over AE.

The numbers between the two games are not hugely different and one of them is far fresher. Mahvel also has potential to go even higher than AE has.

Don't take it personally.

I think the only games a lock for EVO next year are AE, UMvC3, TTT2 and KoF. Everything else is game. The only game I could rule out entirely is SFxTK.

Certain:
UMvC3
AE
TTT2
KOF
Injustice(if it's on time)

No:
SCV
SFxT
BlazBlue
Smash

Possible:
Virtua Fighter
Skullgirls
Persona
DOA

One of the "possible" fanbases is gonna be so fucking salty next year that it could be community shattering. It won't be the DOA fanbase because it's not like those guys have been craving EVO(afaik). I don't want to say which one it is.

How was the Skullgirls side tourny? I missed that, any link for it?

http://www.twitch.tv/xiei/videos.html?page=3

Fantastic imo

 

[scosher]

I hope SCV makes a return, but with two new 3D fighters coming out, it's very much up-in-the-air, especially since TTT2 is pretty much a LOCK, and will be the Namco represented game.

Ideally, I'd want to see this lineup for 2013:

UMvC3
SF4AE
TTT2
KoF13
SCV
Persona 4

In reality, I foresee WB and Sony pushing Injustice and Sony PS All-Stars to take the place of SCV and Persona 4 in that above list.

 

[Vice]

Yeah. The only other notable Korean AE players are Laugh and Cafeid M Lizard who I don't think attended.

Laugh was there, he just didn't do well. He was Infil's partner in SFxT.

 

[Infinite]

Laugh was there, he just didn't do well. He was Infil's partner in SFxT.

I meant M Lizard I know Laugh was there.

 

[Vice]

I meant M Lizard I know Laugh was there.

My bad.

I wonder if Justin will make top 8 in AE again.

 

[notworksafe]

The numbers between the two games are not hugely different and one of them is far fresher. Mahvel also has potential to go even higher than AE has.

Don't take it personally.

Certain:
UMvC3
AE
TTT2
KOF

No:
SCV
SFxT
BlazBlue
Smash

Possible:
Virtua Fighter
Skullgirls
Persona
DOA

I'd move DOA and VF to the "No" and add MK and Injustice to the "Maybe" but otherwise this is pretty much correct.

 

[Infinite]

My bad.

I wonder if Justin will make top 8 in AE again.

I can't believe he lost to Hsein after he beat Kazunoko. lol wat

 

[viciousDC]

Why not bring back older fighters on a smaller scale just to keep attendance high.

This is a bad idea. What "older fighters"? You'll find that most of the older fighters still have cult following but it's not all that large. Most people play whatever is new or whatever has the money.

You can find all sorts of people that love Super Turbo, Third Strike, or Alpha 2 gold... but not enough to run an actual event per game. And that's the core problem.

 

[notworksafe]

This is a bad idea. What "older fighters"? You'll find that most of the older fighters still have cult following but it's not all that large. Most people play whatever is new or whatever has the money.

You can find all sorts of people that love Super Turbo, Third Strike, or Alpha 2 gold... but not enough to run an actual event per game. And that's the core problem.

This is why there are unofficial side tourneys for all those old games. Not everything needs to be major but there is still plenty of great competition at the event.

 

[Professor Beef]

Why not bring back older fighters on a smaller scale just to keep attendance high.

They tried that the past two years, and they ended up being shat on by the crowd. Super Turbo, of course, is the exception to the rule. No way they do something like that again.

 

[kirblar]

What were the attendance #s this year for the main games?

 

[Deps]

I would love to see VF at evo, but I highly doubt it will happen. As far as DOA at evo it won't happen lol. DOA has even less players than VF, especially now when VF is actually getting decent numbers (30 at WNF, 18~ at next level, etc).

TTT2 is basically a lock for next evo. Great game, and tekken is maybe the most popular series worldwide. It's huge in Asia (esp Korea), South America, Europe, and should help revive the scene in America. A lot of people who play 3d games will play it and a lot of 2d players like Ricky are also hype for it. P4u will also probably be in. I just hope they don't replace KOF with P4u and instead add both.

 

[Takamura-San]

I don't get why people would diminish what happened to AE yesterday.

I would say that it is a good thing.

Infiltration basically introduced parrying to AE with his FADC prowess.

The way that he beat Daigo is by basically shutting down his fireball game, Completely. Daigo relies on his footsies with fireballs to control space and pacing. Inf shut that down by basically FADC so fast that is basically a parry. To me that looks like new tech that might how the game is played. From the matches that i have seen i have yet to see someone react that fast. I hope that people start picking that up.

 

[Omega]

No one aims for Top 32.

Why shouldn't we do well in other games? Why shouldn't we take KOF? Why shouldn't we compete in VF? Yeah, we got Marvel, but even that is slowly gaining ground in other places. If the Koreans looked to it like they did KO, who knows what would happen.

Why aren't we pushing for better? Are we sending people to Tougeki for shits and giggles or to win?

Does anyone outside of NorCal actually take KoF serious? I feel like anytime I'm watching US KOF it's always NorCal players.

In the end, what hurts games like KoF, VF and even Tekken is that they're not Capcom games. For whatever reason, these games are immediately shunned. There is absolutely no reason SFxT should have gotten any hype and pre-release, people were talking about it. That game looked awful from the first time they showed gameplay footage but since it's a Capcom game, everyone went crazy.

Also, KoF isn't easy to play, neither if VF. Justin Wong was streaming KoF and had trouble doing combos, so most people aren't even going to bother. Low level VF is a button masher at it's finest which turns people off. It's just straight up PPPK.

Until some big American names like Justin, Champ, Rog, Pretty Ricky, etc. play these other games, the masses won't even acknowledge them.

and by Korea you mean Infiltration.

Poongko and Laugh as well. Laugh isn't as good as the other two but he's still pretty good.

That Korean Dudley isn't that bad but the only time he's left Korea was for CC. Whitedoong I believe his name is

I'd move DOA and VF to the "No" and add MK and Injustice to the "Maybe" but otherwise this is pretty much correct.

Why wouldn't VF be there? It was pretty hype and moved along really quick.

Then you follow up with Injustice being a maybe? One of those cutscenes alone is longer than a VF round. It also looks like shit for competitive play. Fun to play with friends, but it would be less hype than SFxT.

 

[Diprosalic]

is daigo still considered the best. sure he 'only' got 5th place but he's so damn consistent. every year he gets to the top 8.

 

[SolarPowered]

I'd move DOA and VF to the "No" and add MK and Injustice to the "Maybe" but otherwise this is pretty much correct.

You reminded me about Injustice. I see it as a lock so long as it's on time for next year.

They tried that the past two years, and they ended up being shat on by the crowd. Super Turbo, of course, is the exception to the rule. No way they do something like that again.

I hope you are not referring to the 3SOE exhibition from last year. Showing that before Mahvel grand finals was a recipe for disaster.

Putting them on a separate day or time would be nice though. Powerup did a fantastic job with Vampire Savior and 3-4k stream monsters. It was on a Friday night(the 13th to boot lol!)while finals happened on Sunday iirc.

 

[CookedChocobo]

I can't believe he lost to Hsein after he beat Kazunoko. lol wat

Word...biggest wtf to me. Guess Hsien knew what do to against Justin better than Kazunoko, but I'm pretty sure Kazunoko would have went farther he didn't lose to Justin twice IMO.

And I''d bet Kazunoko would've beat Daigo too, unlike Hsien Chang.

 

[Ragingnight]

I keep forgetting about playstation all stars.

It could possibly be at EVO.

Sony sponsors EVO, had a booth there, had its own main stage time, has seth killian/ed ma/clockwork.

If it does turn out to be competitive it has a sizable chance to be at EVO as a main game. It all depends on what they do from now till october.

 

[zlatko]

I don't get why people would diminish what happened to AE yesterday.

I would say that it is a good thing.

Infiltration basically introduced parrying to AE with his FADC prowess.

The way that he beat Daigo is by basically shutting down his fireball game, Completely. Daigo relies on his footsies with fireballs to control space and pacing. Inf shut that down by basically FADC so fast that is basically a parry. To me that looks like new tech that might how the game is played. From the matches that i have seen i have yet to see someone react that fast. I hope that people start picking that up.

I missed AE since I had sleep to attend to, but this sounds a little...um dumb. Isn't there characters in the cast who basically destroy focus attack attempts like Adon? The focus often against Ryu makes sense though just due to how that character is set up. Did he do the same shit against Gamerbee?

 

[sleepykyo]

Does anyone outside of NorCal actually take KoF serious? I feel like anytime I'm watching US KOF it's always NorCal players.

Actually it is SoCal that has the best KoF players, but the NorCal group has been trying really hard to catch up.

 

[notworksafe]

What were the attendance #s this year for the main games?

1536 for AE
1248 for Marvel
1072 for KOF XIII
448 teams for SFxTK
416 for SCV
256 for MK9

These aren't exact, just math done with the number of pools in the brackets.

Why wouldn't VF be there? It was pretty hype and moved along really quick.

Then you follow up with Injustice being a maybe? One of those cutscenes alone is longer than a VF round. It also looks like shit for competitive play. Fun to play with friends, but it would be less hype than SFxT.

US interest in VF is extremely low and will only get lower, that's the main reason why. Injustice is a maybe because WB/Netherrealm has expressed interest in pushing Injustice as a tournament game and they have the money to make that happen.

 

[CookedChocobo]

I keep forgetting about playstation all stars.

It could possibly be at EVO.

Sony sponsors EVO, had a booth there, had its own main stage time, has seth killian/ed ma/clockwork.

If it does turn out to be competitive it has a sizable chance to be at EVO as a main game. It all depends on what they do from now till october.

Yeah man....Everyone is forgetting about Playstation All Stars.


Yeah it might seem like a silly game, but with all much Sony sponsors EVO and how many FGC member is part of the development team..I WOULD NOT BE SURPRISED.

Could have MANY entrants, cuz it'll probably be easy to pick it up.


PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale FOR EVO 2013!, COUNT ON IT GAF!

 

[Kusagari]

Most of the community will probably shit on Allstars. Can't see it being added.

 

[mr. puppy]

1536 for AE
1248 for Marvel
1072 for KOF XIII
448 teams for SFxTK
416 for SCV
256 for MK9

These aren't exact, just math done with the number of pools in the brackets.

.

wait KOF had 1000 people? holy shit.

 

[Tyree]

Does anyone outside of NorCal actually take KoF serious? I feel like anytime I'm watching US KOF it's always NorCal players.

Bala, Mr. KOF, Reynald and Romance are all from SoCal.

 

[Takamura-San]

I missed AE since I had sleep to attend to, but this sounds a little...um dumb. Isn't there characters in the cast who basically destroy focus attack attempts like Adon? The focus often against Ryu makes sense though just due to how that character is set up. Did he do the same shit against Gamerbee?

I watched this very early in the morning.

But i'm almost definitively sure that he did it to gamerbee adon's normals.

You have to see it, for it to make sense.

Daigo would low poke to combo hadouken as always.

Inf would block the low poke, FADC the hadouken and punish like motherfucker.

The state of mind to do that was impressive to me.

 

[Ragingnight]

Just fucking move evo to a convention hall and host it not on july 4th weekend.

Make it into a FGC convention with booths from sponsors and companies pitching their game.

A convention would probably bring more people into the scene, having cosplays and what not. Also it would allow more fucking games like P4A.

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[MrDaravon]

I keep forgetting about playstation all stars.

It could possibly be at EVO.

Sony sponsors EVO, had a booth there, had its own main stage time, has seth killian/ed ma/clockwork.

If it does turn out to be competitive it has a sizable chance to be at EVO as a main game. It all depends on what they do from now till october.

Yeah, this occurred to me as well, but I hope not. Not even a judgement on the game; I don't think it looks great, but even if it turns out fine I'd rather see other games over it. I agree that I think these are a total lock:

UMvC3
SF4 AE 2012
KOF (I was on the fence about this until Finals this year)
TTT2
Either MK9 or Injustice (no way WB doesn't pony up to make one happen, but not both)

In that scenario it only leaves on slot, I'd hope that P4A takes it but VF5, Skullgirls and SC5 are all possible options as well. I don't think there's any way in hell we see SFxT return unless there are substantial patches in the next 6 months that really turn around perception on that, and DoA5 seems super unlikely.

wait KOF had 1000 people? holy shit.

All registrants got a free shirt which certainly inflated the numbers though. I'd agree with the guesses that there were probably actually 500-600 "actual" registrants which still is not bad at all. Did we ever find out how many first round DQ's that game had? Would probably be able to figure it out from there.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

wait KOF had 1000 people? holy shit.

Dat KoFXIII shirt, man

 

[Omega]

Actually it is SoCal that has the best KoF players, but the NorCal group has been trying really hard to catch up.

Are there SoCal streams?

Only time I ever see streams up is when Southtown Arcade/iPlayWinner streams them.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I keep forgetting about playstation all stars.

It could possibly be at EVO.

Sony sponsors EVO, had a booth there, had its own main stage time, has seth killian/ed ma/clockwork.

If it does turn out to be competitive it has a sizable chance to be at EVO as a main game. It all depends on what they do from now till october.

Agreed. also how the game is received by the fgc matters. I think at worst it might be at EVO but not get much stream time. I don't think it'll get that warm a reception but I could be wrong.

Just fucking move evo to a convention hall and host it not on july 4th weekend.

Just fucking make it a FGC convention with booths from sponsors and companies pitching their game.

A convention would probably bring more people into the scene, having cosplays and what not. Also it would allow more fucking games like P4A.

It basically is a convention though, and it's held in a convention hall.

 

[SuperBonk]

Regardless of whether MK9 makes it next year (it most definitely won't), I'm glad it was so easily able to shed the "Dead after EVO" label. If anything, the community has gotten stronger since last year.

Not sure how I feel about Injustice yet, but hopefully it's a worthy "successor".

 

[Ragingnight]

Regardless of whether MK9 makes it next year (it most definitely won't), I'm glad it was so easily able to shed the "Dead after EVO" label. If anything, the community has gotten stronger since last year.

Not sure how I feel about Injustice yet, but hopefully it's a worthy "successor".

MK9 being at evo next year depends on injustice. If injustice is ass, then MK9 will be there next year hands down. Their community is so fucking loyal to NRS and probably one of the most vocal.

 

[MrDaravon]

Regardless of whether MK9 makes it next year (it most definitely won't), I'm glad it was so easily able to shed the "Dead after EVO" label. If anything, the community has gotten stronger since last year.

Not sure how I feel about Injustice yet, but hopefully it's a worthy "successor".

Yeah, I don't actively hate MK9 but don't really care for it either (hate the character animation personally, and it's a bit boring to spectate IMO) but you really have to give it up to that community, they rep that game hard and it showed.

 

[Ferrio]

Fixed!

How is cheating inspiring?

 

[notworksafe]

MK9 being at evo next year depends on injustice. If injustice is ass, then MK9 will be there next year hands down. Their community is so fucking loyal to NRS and probably one of the most vocal.

WB/NRS is very loyal back as well. They stepped it up with pot bonuses and support in many tournaments this past year.

 

[Vice]

Are there SoCal streams?

Only time I ever see streams up is when Southtown Arcade/iPlayWinner streams them.

Twitch.tv/levelup

The Runback is every Thursday and has Kof and Marvel.

 

[Lost Fragment]

I missed AE since I had sleep to attend to, but this sounds a little...um dumb. Isn't there characters in the cast who basically destroy focus attack attempts like Adon? The focus often against Ryu makes sense though just due to how that character is set up. Did he do the same shit against Gamerbee?

Yeah it's not like FADCing through fireballs and punishing the recovery is some mindblowing new concept that nobody ever thought of before. Infiltration just had a super-good read on Daigo and punished practically every badly spaced fireball. Daigo didn't adjust in time and took the L.

 

[DR2K]

TTT2 is a lock. SCV is out. Forwhatever reason SC and TK always rotate.
DOA5 if it's considered tournmanet worthy should have no issues getting in. SFXTK out.
SFIV (duh)
UMVC3 (duh)
KofXIII might make it back if it can keep its momentum. But if a new version exists at any point it would split the community.(assuming it releases in arcades first)
Persona 4 if it can get the guily/BB crowd.
MK9/Injustice I doubt both will make it back. If Injustice is good it'll probably replace it.

As far as being a legitimate fighter, non tradional fighters just don't get accepted. I doubt Sony Smash would be anything but a side game. Skullgirls, back as a side game. Sega would have dropped support VF5 by next year, so it might be a sidegame.

 

[sleepykyo]

Are there SoCal streams?

Only time I ever see streams up is when Southtown Arcade/iPlayWinner streams them.

leveluplive's Thursday Night Runback is split between KoF and UMvC3.

In response to a different poster, focus dash cancel into punish has been used fairly commonly against fireballs and Rufus' hard punch already. It was more like Daigo wasn't mixing in ex fireballs to discourage it.

edit: Dang. Overlooked Vice's post.

 

[TheFightingFish]

I actually really like to see variety in fighting games. I don't have time to play many, but there are very few that I don't like watching at least a little bit of. So I do think that it would be nice to have EVO expand a bit with official game support, though I get the logistical issues that would raise.

On the topic of multiple games, I actually would find it kinda interesting if they added a "decathlon" event to run along with the main tournament. Something that would be invite only for 8 or 16 of the top players and would have a set of rounds per game across a larger set of fighting games. I just think that it would be neat to award some of the players who are really good across multiple games. Plus it would be interesting to see some of the top players competing in games that they are not usually involved in, adds a bit of freshness like the UFGT auction tournaments.

 

[jbug617]

Fishstix said the stream maxed at 99k. They could of gone over 100k if they didn't had to restart the stream before AE.

 

[Kintaro]

Does anyone outside of NorCal actually take KoF serious? I feel like anytime I'm watching US KOF it's always NorCal players.

In the end, what hurts games like KoF, VF and even Tekken is that they're not Capcom games. For whatever reason, these games are immediately shunned. There is absolutely no reason SFxT should have gotten any hype and pre-release, people were talking about it. That game looked awful from the first time they showed gameplay footage but since it's a Capcom game, everyone went crazy.

Also, KoF isn't easy to play, neither if VF. Justin Wong was streaming KoF and had trouble doing combos, so most people aren't even going to bother. Low level VF is a button masher at it's finest which turns people off. It's just straight up PPPK.

Until some big American names like Justin, Champ, Rog, Pretty Ricky, etc. play these other games, the masses won't even acknowledge them.

FGC a hivemind: Confirmed?

 

[notworksafe]

TTT2 is a lock. SCV is out. Forwhatever reason SC and TK always rotate.
DOA5 if it's considered tournmanet worthy should have no issues getting in. SFXTK out.
SFIV (duh)
UMVC3 (duh)
KofXIII might make it back if it can keep its momentum. But if a new version exists at any point it would split the community.(assuming it releases in arcades first)
Persona 4 if it can get the guily/BB crowd.
MK9/Injustice I doubt both will make it back. If Injustice is good it'll probably replace it.

As far as being a legitimate fighter, non tradional fighters just don't get accepted. I doubt Sony Smash would be anything but a side game. Skullgirls, back as a side game. Sega would have dropped support VF5 by next year, so it might be a sidegame.

DOA has zero chance of making it in. KOF will most definitely be back. Any game that can get 1000+ entrients will return. I believe Mr. Wizard has said before that 500ish entrants at EVO is a good sign of a game returning (which was a major factor in MK being at this EVO). This puts MK in danger for 2013, but I'd expect WB to pay for Injustice to take its place.

 

[Professor Beef]

I hope you are not referring to the 3SOE exhibition from last year. Showing that before Mahvel grand finals was a recipe for disaster.

I was referring to that AND the 3rd Strike invitational tournament the year before that. My point still remains.

 

[DR2K]

DOA has zero chance of making it in. KOF will most definitely be back. Any game that can get 1000+ entrients will return. I believe Mr. Wizard has said before that 500ish entrants at EVO is a good sign of a game returning (which was a major factor in MK being at this EVO). This puts MK in danger for 2013, but I'd expect WB to pay for Injustice to take its place.

DOA4 has been a main evo game. No reason for DOA5 not to.

 

[notworksafe]

DOA4 has been a main evo game. No reason for DOA5 not to.

Smash Bros and Mario Kart have been EVO games too. Do you expect those to return as well?

Speaking of which, I'd love to see EVO do another poll to determine a 5th (and maybe 6th) game like they did a few years ago.

 

[Ragingnight]

DOA4 has been a main evo game. No reason for DOA5 not to.

unless the community shits on it and from what I glanced at freestepdodge, its already on shaky grounds. Both Rikuto and Dr. Dogg are very worries if the game will turn out competitively viable, because so far they think its not as of e3.

 

[StickyFingers]

I just finished watching the UMVC3 top 8.

And man, fuck F. Champ. He did not deserve this win, mainly because of Phoenix. Fuck this shit, I'm salty.

It should have been ChrisG, mostly because he used his old team. All in all it was a good top 8.
And Infrit, goddamnit. He should have gotten it over F. Champ. Good games.

Tomorrow after I will watch the top 8 SSF4.

 

[DR2K]

Smash Bros and Mario Kart have been EVO games too. Do you expect those to return as well?

What point are you trying to make?

I do expect smash bros to return when a new one releases, yes.

unless the community shits on it and from what I glanced at freestepdodge, its already on shaky grounds. Both Rikuto and Dr. Dogg are very worries if the game will turn out competitively viable, because so far they think its not as of e3.

Everything so far has been glowingly positive with TN listening to fans. Evo build was a huge step in the right direction.