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[TheFightingFish]

What I miss, the tweets gone.

Seriously folks, there was tons of this going on during EVO. Tweets are like 140 characters, just go ahead and post in the tweet text so that we can read it here on GAF without linking out. It's not like magazine scans or full article text or something that you have to read on the original site.

 

[thetrin]

Haven't gotten the chance to watch it, what happened at SFxT?

It's boring to watch. It's hard to get hyped for a game that no one has any fun spectating.

 

[Onemic]

No it isn't, the LE was $60, the standard was $40.
And actually, you can get the LE for $40.72 on Amazon.

Looks like they finally lowered the price. I made a post in the BB thread about my plans to buy the game until I found out that EB games was selling it for 50 bucks(45 bucks used).

 

[toddhunter]

Lame Timeouts and jab pressure in grand finals. Not a good look for anyone. The commentators sounded bored, and the crowd couldn't muster any hype for the game at all.

Also Ryu

 

[KYJellyDonut]

What numbers were they expecting?

I don't know what was shown on the stream, but I assumed what was on the side screens at the event was the stream feed.

Seems like they were not showing a lot of info.

We had a thread about improving streams before. Most everybody said having a news ticker with what was going on and what is coming up was needed.

I think they need that along with 2 set UPS to switch so they can do button checks of stream during the current match. To keep the pace up.

They had dual setups last year I think, at the very least I know they've done it before and it worked great so I have no idea why they would ditch the idea.

 

[Lost Fragment]

I don't see how any EVO game has been solely on "moneyhat".

Certainly the Cannons played the games/had them demoed and explained by the company and its testers, and judged them worthy.

I'd wager however that the Capcom name boosted SFxT's inclusion, given how free Wiz is with the jokes at the game's expense.

Yeah I think SFxT made it purely because people were like "It's a Capcom game, people are going to enter no matter how shit it is." And they were right. In MK's case, I think it was included because they thought it was a legitimate competitive game. And, well, they were right again.

 

[giancarlo123x]

Lame Timeouts and jab pressure in grand finals. Not a good look for anyone. The commentators sounded bored, and the crowd couldn't muster any hype for the game at all.

Sounds about right for the game sadly. I haven't touched my copy since the game freezing glitch with Rolento and they sure as hell aren't getting my money for the on disk characters.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

Links in SFxTK are far too easy.

 

[Busaiku]

Looks like they finally lowered the price. I made a post in the BB thread about my plans to buy the game until I found out that EB games was selling it for 50 bucks(45 bucks used).

The MSRP of the standard was always $40, it still hasn't been lowered.
The LE's been $60, but it was down to about $40 since before launch and has generally stayed around that (on Amazon).

It's probably just Gamestop being Gamestop that screwed you over.

 

[Lothars]

Yeah I think SFxT made it purely because people were like "It's a Capcom game, people are going to enter no matter how shit it is." And they were right. In MK's case, I think it was included because they thought it was a legitimate competitive game. And, well, they were right again.

I disagree MK was put in because it was moneyhatted by WB and they pushed for it to get in which is exactly why Injustice or MK will be back next year unfortunately.

 

[Ragingnight]

Links in SFxTK are far too easy.

meh. Execution should be the smallest factor in determining a good player. I think things like spacing, meter management, reads, oki and etc are all more important. So for me an easier execution game is still alright.

 

[KYJellyDonut]

Sounds about right for the game sadly. I haven't touched my copy since the game freezing glitch with Rolento and they sure as hell aren't getting my money for the on disk characters.

I find the game so freaking boring and nothing more then a rushed cash cow for capcom and namco. It's unpolished, and lackluster play at its very best. Tac on all of the additional paid dlc and the fact the it's actually being withheld to promote an additional version on a different console is even worse. The game is symbolic of greed and what's typically wrong with this industry, nothing more.

 

[Lothars]

I find the game so freaking boring and nothing more then a rushed cash cow for capcom and namco. It's unpolished, and lackluster play at its very best. Tac on all of the additional paid dlc and the fact the it's actually being withheld to promote an additional version on a different console is even worse. The game is symbolic of greed and what's typically wrong with this industry, nothing more.

I feel the oppisite, I think it's a very fun game with a bunch of great characters that has problems which can be fixed with the right patches.

The only bad thing with the dlc is that it wasn't released already instead of being held off.

 

[kirblar]

Yeah I think SFxT made it purely because people were like "It's a Capcom game, people are going to enter no matter how shit it is." And they were right. In MK's case, I think it was included because they thought it was a legitimate competitive game. And, well, they were right again.

MK9 also had good turnout last year. But it didn't hold up this year.

 

[Bgamer90]

Sounds about right for the game sadly. I haven't touched my copy since the game freezing glitch with Rolento and they sure as hell aren't getting my money for the on disk characters.

Same here.

 

[Busaiku]

I disagree MK was put in because it was moneyhatted by WB and they pushed for it to get in which is exactly why Injustice or MK will be back next year unfortunately.

No, I doubt it was moneyhatted this year
Last year there were a lot of entrants,over 500.

These were probably a bunch of the Capcom people playing it back then, since it was still new and whatnot.
They've probably gotten bored without though, hence the huge drop in numbers.

If it makes it next year, I can definitely see that as WB buying their way in.

 

[Dice]

The commentators sounded bored, and the crowd couldn't muster any hype for the game at all.

http://youtu.be/f0RNH_AiXeY?t=11m25s

dat polite mild applause

 

[giancarlo123x]

I find the game so freaking boring and nothing more then a rushed cash cow for capcom and namco. It's unpolished, and lackluster play at its very best. Tac on all of the additional paid dlc and the fact the it's actually being withheld to promote an additional version on a different console is even worse. The game is symbolic of greed and what's typically wrong with this industry, nothing more.

I still will never forget the sound glitch and how long it took them to fix it. That was the day one biggest joke ever.

 

[LunaticHigh]

MK9 is a really good game. Almost no bullshit in that game. I'm happy to see it at evo and it has a strong american presence. I don't think it will be out of EVO next year unless they showcase injustice (which seems to play very similarly). both will be extremely competitive games, with great developer support and again, strong NA presence. No reason for that game to not be at evo.

 

[notworksafe]

MK9 is a really good game. Almost no bullshit in that game. I'm happy to see it at evo and it has a strong american presence. I don't think it will be out of EVO next year unless they showcase injustice (which seems to play very similarly). both will be extremely competitive games, with great developer support and again, strong NA presence. No reason for that game to not be at evo.

It had a really low entrant number. That would be the biggest roadblock I could see with it coming back next year.

 

[crimsonspider89]

MK9 only got a little above 200 entrants and didn't get high numbers on stream.

Why not looking to return.

SFxT has a lot of issues. Time outs, jab pressure, weakness of throw games and too many characters lack AAs.

The game just looks to be a clusterfuck as it stands even though it had potential.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

I think the Evo game lineup was already finalized before most people realized how bad SFxT was. A lot of people assumed it would be the next big thing.

 

[Onemic]

I still will never forget the sound glitch and how long it took them to fix it. That was the day one biggest joke ever.

I traded my copy of SFxT for KOFXIII and never looked back

 

[Lost Fragment]

It had a really low entrant number. That would be the biggest roadblock I could see with it coming back next year.

Plus it had one of the highest guaranteed payouts. But I think if the WB pot bonus was announced like 6 months in advance, it would've boosted numbers a lot more. Announcing it like 1 or 2 months before the event makes people be like "Awesome...but I'm way too behind to stand a chance and I don't have enough time to catch up, so why bother?"

 

[Slamtastic]

MK is logically losing steam from being in a "complete" (patch/dlc support over) state while still having issues even in the eyes of its supporters.

If this were a different dev in a different situation, we'd see the super version announced in place of Injustice or even earlier and it would revitalize the scene and be a lock for next year.

Instead we have this new IP with fundamental differences from MK, that is also attempting to shake up the entire genre with the environment features.

 

[jett]

I think the Evo game lineup was already finalized before most people realized how bad SFxT was. A lot of people assumed it would be the next big thing.

I remember people saying SF4 would be dead after SFxT hit. lololol.

And let's not forget Mike "best fighter I ever played" Ross.

 

[Ragingnight]

MK9 is a really good game. Almost no bullshit in that game. I'm happy to see it at evo and it has a strong american presence. I don't think it will be out of EVO next year unless they showcase injustice (which seems to play very similarly). both will be extremely competitive games, with great developer support and again, strong NA presence. No reason for that game to not be at evo.

uhhh I mean I would say I'm a part of the TYM community and enjoy watching MK9. But saying it has almost no bullshit is so far from the truth.

No respectable player in that community is going to tell you that

1) input bug
2) meter draining bug
3) PLAYER 1 ADVANTAGE (p1 wins all trades)
4) kabal is the best character by far having the best zoning and best rushdown

are not BS.

The only reason why the community supports MK9 is because they are using MK9 as a stepping stone towards a better game. They know that supporting MK9 is the only way they will ever receive a newer and more complete game.

I remember people saying SF4 would be dead after SFxT hit. lololol.

And let's not forget Mike "best fighter I ever played" Ross.

I wasn't just Mike Ross. It was Ricky Ortiz, Flash Metroid, Arturo and etc. It was because they played the game before they knew frame data, or about the dlc gems. Also Mike Ross played a build of the game before gems, pandora, and all that garbage was introduced.

 

[Imm0rt4l]

I traded my copy of SFxT for KOFXIII and never looked back

How's the online fair in comparison to ssf4? I know it's bad, but I'd like to play it if it's at least tolerable. Does anyone even play online anymore?

uhhh I mean I would say I'm a part of the TYM community and enjoy watching MK9. But saying it has almost no bullshit is so far from the truth.

No respectable player in that community is going to tell you that

1) input bug
2) meter draining bug
3) PLAYER 1 ADVANTAGE (p1 wins all trades)
4) kabal is the best character by far having the best zoning and best rushdown

are not BS.

The only reason why the community supports MK9 is because they are using MK9 as a stepping stone towards a better game. They know that supporting MK9 is the only way they will ever receive a newer and more complete game.

who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

 

[mephixto]

 

[LunaticHigh]

I dont play it competitively so i didn't really know about those things, that's unfortunate.

I really meant things like SF4's ultra meter and stun bs.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Making gifs of stuffs. Probably going to do Floe gifs from Thursday next.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I think the Evo game lineup was already finalized before most people realized how bad SFxT was. A lot of people assumed it would be the next big thing.

I remember quite a few people going around and saying it was going to take Marvel's place in popularity.

 

[Kadey]

Kayo's dream guy making the most of EVO like always. Now I'm hungry.

 

[Parallax Scroll]

1) input bug
2) meter draining bug
3) PLAYER 1 ADVANTAGE (p1 wins all trades)
4) kabal is the best character by far having the best zoning and best rushdown

So that's why players were doing rock paper scissors for player 1 side? LOL that's some bullshit.

Also,

 

[Lost Fragment]

1) input bug
2) meter draining bug
3) PLAYER 1 ADVANTAGE (p1 wins all trades)
4) kabal is the best character by far having the best zoning and best rushdown

Your other complaints are legit but is Kabal even as bad as Chun in 3S? I mean, lots of fighting games have s-tier characters like that.

MK guys have been getting their asses kicked by Kabal for like 17 years so they should be used to that by now anyway

 

[Slamtastic]

It's a matter of Idea vs Execution, Design Philosophies vs Glitches.

Like I said, some in the community are upset at the lack of an update version with fixes, so I expect even more dropoff in MK numbers.

 

[Ragingnight]

who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

Exactly. He can outzone pure projectile zoners with his instant air gas blast, and his low saw.

But yet if he wants to rush you can he can nomad dash cancel rush you and if you press a button he can armor run through it and you eat a full combo. This character is easily the best character in the game unless somebody finds things out about other characters.

Your other complaints are legit but is Kabal even as bad as Chun in 3S? I mean, lots of fighting games have s-tier characters like that.

MK guys have been getting their asses kicked by Kabal for like 17 years so they should be used to that by now anyway

Chun in 3s while being S tier was still fight-able due to parry. There is no such thing as that in MK9. Because MK9 has "everything does chip damage" Kabal can literally keep you out with instant air gas blast which you have to crouch to avoid, while have the option to frame trap you with his nomad dash rushdown . If you try to dash-crouch under the iagb he can low saw you or ex nomad dash you and you eat a full combo. Also he can convert a hit on iagb into a full combo if you get hit in the air. Not to mention if you block these projectiles he builds meter to break any combo you do land.

edit

Check the TYM forums, you'll see how many top players are in the process of swapping to Kabal. CDjr made a thread making the swap and explaining how powerful he is, then curbolicious started recently to pickup kabal and drop johnny cage, even PL picked a pocket kabal.

edit 2

this is the matchup chart from TYM

Baraka- 7/3
Cyber Sub-Zero- 8/2
Cyrax- 7/3
Ermac- 6/4
Freddy- 6/4
Jade- 7/3
Jax- 6/4
Johnny Cage - 7/3
Kano- 9/1
Kenshi- 6/4
Kitana- 6/4
Kung Lao- 6/4
Liu Kang- 6/4
Mileena- 6/4
Nightwolf- 7/3
Noob- 8/2
Quan- 6/4
Raiden- 6/4
Rain- 6/4
Reptile- 6/4
Scorpion- 7/3
Sektor- 6/4
Shang- 6/4
Sheeva- 9/1
Sindel- 7/3
Skarlet- 6/4
Smoke- 7/3
Sonya- 6/4
Stryker- 7/3
Sub-Zero- 7/3

 

[AnFox]

What I miss, the tweets gone.

Deleted.

https://twitter.com/skisonic/status/222435641881923584

 

[Revven]

I think the Evo game lineup was already finalized before most people realized how bad SFxT was. A lot of people assumed it would be the next big thing.

Yes, this was exactly the case. It was put into the lineup and announced to be at EVO along with the other games. This was in March/mid April if I recall, so the game was still in its early stages. This was before they decided to do 2v2 though! The ruleset was undetermined for quite some time for SFxT, but it was def. announced in the lineup when the game was fairly young and before all the hate it's gotten.

I'd really like to see the game get fixed somehow, but there's just so many things wrong with it from damage scaling to the timer to jabs it's... just a lot Capcom has to fix. I just don't see them being able to tackle all of those issues before the Vita version comes out. What's more is, people are still discovering more infinites in the game! Which is crazy.

Bottom line, the more Capcom sits on patches the more the game dies off competitively. And I get there's like a big testing period between patches but just from what they talked about at EVO it really doesn't seem like they're up to date with the community on what needs to be fixed versus what's not as important. DLC characters, while important, aren't as important as fixing the timer or ridiculous damage scaling.

I really think the game should just be a bonkers combo game, look at TTT2! Same style of game (except 3D obv) and general gameplay, yet its matches look to be pretty fast paced and combo heavy from what I saw at EVO (barring completely different juggle mechanics than SFxT).

All in all, the game sucks right now and isn't entertaining to watch or play.

 

[MisterLuffy]

Is there an archive on Evo finals?

 

[Seraphinianus]

https://twitter.com/skisonic/status/222435641881923584

I think they could've had it, had the stream been a little more intuitive. Us avid stream monsters know where to hunt down info and know how to stay up to date on what's happening...average guy who hears about it, opens the stream and see EVO logo for 5 minutes has no idea what's going on or how to find out what's going on and will say "fuck it" if he can't find out what's going on

that's probably the only mess up with this EVO though. The rest met my expectations! aside from AE, which is a shame because that game has been hype ever since it "made a comeback" when people realized SFxTK sucks

 

[Skilotonn]

I just finished watching the UMVC3 and SSF4:AE Grand Finals.

I am salty as fuck.

Fucking Champ still managed to win after Ifrit handily beat him the first time, but then let him come back in Grand Finals, gave him a round, and then messed up for him to take it all. It really should have been Ifrit's win, so disappointed.

Fuck.

And then for SSF4:AE, Infiltration comes and turns AE into 3rd Strike with the damn parry FADC's - I shouldn't be mad as he was totally on-point the entire Grand Finals, I'm just mad that it happened to Daigo, who would have taken the title without that for sure despite the loss vs. Cammy.

Damn it.

Everyone that I was pulling for at EVO lost, even Bala - but KOF remains the most hype tournament of all of EVO for me, second was whenever Ifrit took a win.

Congrats to Fuudo as well for taking VF5, I had no clue that he was so strong in VF5 in addition to AE.

Incredible, incredible talent this year with ton of upsets this year, the big names aren't champs anymore now, it's truly turning into anyone's win as time passes, it's crazy.

Is there an archive on Evo finals?

Part 1:

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/b/324153018

Part 2:

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/b/324184488

 

[Lost Fragment]

Chun in 3s while being S tier was still fight-able due to parry. There is no such thing as that in MK9. Because MK9 has "everything does chip damage" Kabal can literally keep you out with instant air gas blast which you have to crouch to avoid, while have the option to frame trap you with his nomad dash rushdown . If you try to dash-crouch under the iagb he can low saw you or ex nomad dash you and you eat a full combo. Also he can convert a hit on iagb into a full combo if you get hit in the air. Not to mention if you block these projectiles he builds meter to break any combo you do land.

OK, but if he's really that bad, then why was there only one Kabal in evo top 8?

 

[Onemic]

How's the online fair in comparison to ssf4? I know it's bad, but I'd like to play it if it's at least tolerable. Does anyone even play online anymore?

SF4 has way more numbers and way better online. KOF XIII is fine if you can find someone with at least 3 bars though, and most people have their lobbies setup to only accept you if you have 3/4 bars or more. The game is still an absolute blast to play and it's still worth getting if you don't mind waiting longer to get a good match.(of course if you can find a local scene then it doesn't even matter)

I'm not at the point where I can really test online play(95% of my time is spent in the lab), but from my experience its been better than SFxT, at least at launch.

 

[90TilInfinity]

Sorry if it's already been mentioned, but what was the Evo payout this year? How much of the $25k did Infiltration, Gamerbee, PR and whoever else get?

 

[Ostinatto]

cant find that interview with kayopolice ????

anyone knows where is it?

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

uhhh I mean I would say I'm a part of the TYM community and enjoy watching MK9. But saying it has almost no bullshit is so far from the truth.

No respectable player in that community is going to tell you that

1) input bug
2) meter draining bug
3) PLAYER 1 ADVANTAGE (p1 wins all trades)
4) kabal is the best character by far having the best zoning and best rushdown

are not BS.

The only reason why the community supports MK9 is because they are using MK9 as a stepping stone towards a better game. They know that supporting MK9 is the only way they will ever receive a newer and more complete game.

compare to almost every fighter those glitches are in average number. And bolded is not a fair statement, the game is good and in the sense of tourneys, its enjoyable to watch...

And Kabal is not the best zoner(though still one of the best).

 

[Busaiku]

Kayo's dream guy making the most of EVO like always. Now I'm hungry.

The true Evo champ.

 

[Ragingnight]

OK, but if he's really that bad, then why was there only one Kabal in evo top 8?

Because it was just recently people realize how broken he was. CDjr's new main is kabal but its to new to bust out at a tournament like EVO. He made a thread saying he'll main kabal from here on out. Same with Curbolicious.

REO got knocked out for whatever reason. EVO is one tournament (though the largest), while REO and CDjr have just about taken almost every MK9 major in the scene.

compare to almost every fighter those glitches are in average number. And bolded is not a fair statement, the game is good and in the sense of tourneys, its enjoyable to watch...

And Kabal is not the best zoner(though still one of the best).

How is it not a fair statement when people of their own community have said this. Tim Static, one of the big heads of the MK community (not mk9, MK in general) has even said this. Just go to TYM and type "stepping stone" on search and you'll see how many post there are that say the exact same thing.

http://testyourmight.com/search/3478933/?q=stepping+stone&o=date

MK9 is just a stepping stone. The first in what I, we, hope is a long line of games getting better each time.

-Tim Static

 

[BadWolf]

How's the online fair in comparison to ssf4? I know it's bad, but I'd like to play it if it's at least tolerable. Does anyone even play online anymore?

Don't know how it fares compared to SF4 since I don't have it but I've played XIII since day one and it has been great for me tbh, especially after the patch.

Sticking to 3 and 4 bars means I get very playable matches over 90% of the time.

For reference in terms of execution I have no probs doing regular, drive cancel or hyper drive combos. Just the other day I did that Joe stun combo as well (saved the replay so I can prove it lol).

The number of matches I've played thus far easily counts in a few thousand.