EVO 2012 Thread 2 Because one thread wasnt enough to hold all the hype and the salt

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Interview with Daigo post-EVO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdzuSk5ltA&feature=youtu.be

I think the biggest difference between Daigo and Infiltration is that Daigo may train hard, but he doesn't study his opponents. He just works hard, shows up and tries to adapt on the fly. I've been reading that Infiltration has been putting a lot of work into watching and studying many top players at EVO and know what they're little tendencies are and how to beat it. This is why he was FADC'ing Daigo's low forward into Fireball at the beginning of rounds before he EX meter. Or why he almost never got hit by Latif or Krone's late burn kicks to bait out a throw tech. I hope he will consider some of this in the future. I mean if they played a FT10, I don't think Infiltration could have kept it up those tactics and amazing reads(not that he would lose a hypothetical FT10). But in a FT2, anything could happen, the best player doesn't always win as there is very little time to adapt when someone is reading you that well.

BTW guys, I'm in post-EVO depression right now. But I'll get over it eventually.
 
A Pretty Panda said:
I think you've graduated from stream monster to crowd monster.
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I'm either that or the King of both, according to the monsters.

I just wish I could see the chat; I'm sure there were a spam of KevinTurtle(s). lol

SolarKnight said:
lol, I'm guessing you met up with them judging from the hat and everything xD

Which of my bros did you get to meet out of curiosity?
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I met just about all of them!

They were all cool dudes throughout the weekend!
 
Rice-Eater said:
Interview with Daigo post-EVO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdzuSk5ltA&feature=youtu.be

I think the biggest difference between Daigo and Infiltration is that Daigo may train hard, but he doesn't study his opponents. He just works hard, shows up and tries to adapt on the fly. I've been reading that Infiltration has been putting a lot of work into watching and studying many top players at EVO and know what they're little tendencies are and how to beat it. This is why he was FADC'ing Daigo's low forward into Fireball at the beginning of rounds before he EX meter. Or why he almost never got hit by Latif or Krone's late burn kicks to bait out a throw tech. I hope he will consider some of this in the future. I mean if they played a FT10, I don't think Infiltration could have kept it up those tactics and amazing reads(not that he would lose a hypothetical FT10). But in a FT2, anything could happen, the best player doesn't always win as there is very little time to adapt when someone is reading you that well.

BTW guys, I'm in post-EVO depression right now. But I'll get over it eventually.
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It's very much Infiltration practicing for player-specific match-ups, I think. Daigo is a fantastic player but he's also very mechanical in many regards. Knowing and recognizing a player's patterns means you have the information to beat them and that's probably what happened. Infiltration knew how Daigo would react depending to what he did allowing him to compensate for it.

In fact, that's what makes Daigo, Daigo. The perfect execution of what he knows, it's nothing fancy but he does it so well.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Interview with Daigo post-EVO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdzuSk5ltA&feature=youtu.be

I think the biggest difference between Daigo and Infiltration is that Daigo may train hard, but he doesn't study his opponents. He just works hard, shows up and tries to adapt on the fly. I've been reading that Infiltration has been putting a lot of work into watching and studying many top players at EVO and know what they're little tendencies are and how to beat it. This is why he was FADC'ing Daigo's low forward into Fireball at the beginning of rounds before he EX meter. Or why he almost never got hit by Latif or Krone's late burn kicks to bait out a throw tech. I hope he will consider some of this in the future. I mean if they played a FT10, I don't think Infiltration could have kept it up those tactics and amazing reads(not that he would lose a hypothetical FT10). But in a FT2, anything could happen, the best player doesn't always win as there is very little time to adapt when someone is reading you that well.

BTW guys, I'm in post-EVO depression right now. But I'll get over it eventually.
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Shits tough in post youtube fgc. Daigo is too oldschool.
 
Rice-Eater said:
Interview with Daigo post-EVO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUdzuSk5ltA&feature=youtu.be

I think the biggest difference between Daigo and Infiltration is that Daigo may train hard, but he doesn't study his opponents. He just works hard, shows up and tries to adapt on the fly. I've been reading that Infiltration has been putting a lot of work into watching and studying many top players at EVO and know what they're little tendencies are and how to beat it. This is why he was FADC'ing Daigo's low forward into Fireball at the beginning of rounds before he EX meter. Or why he almost never got hit by Latif or Krone's late burn kicks to bait out a throw tech. I hope he will consider some of this in the future. I mean if they played a FT10, I don't think Infiltration could have kept it up those tactics and amazing reads(not that he would lose a hypothetical FT10). But in a FT2, anything could happen, the best player doesn't always win as there is very little time to adapt when someone is reading you that well.

BTW guys, I'm in post-EVO depression right now. But I'll get over it eventually.
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That's all part of training. If infiltration put the time to study his opponents, then he takes seriously.
 
It helps that infiltration had two days to prepare just for daigo. Seems like nobody else used their time preparing specifically for possible sunday opponents (going by all the 2-0's).

edit: or maybe they did, going by all the 2-0's
 
One other thing, when I re-watched the Infil vs Daigo match, I saw what Infiltration saw when he decided to go for a "random" demon against Daigo mid screen. Daigo whiffed a st. LK and then went for a sweep and got demon'd. If you watch the match, you'll see that every time he whiffed a st. LK, he would do something else immediately afterwards. Infil picked up on this(or already knew about it as he punished it every time I think) and decided to go for it. It wasn't reactions as Daigo sweep was just barely starting up, they both did there moves at almost the same time.

Still, I was hoping Daigo could fight his way back up. Dropping the link to sweep vs Xiaohai cost him that match. I think he could have made it back to Infiltration, and if he had, I think he would have put up the best fight among the remaining players. Funny thing was, among all the matches that Infil played on stream. His toughest matches were against DRS Chris(Ken player who does a lot of random shit) and iPeru(he plays Fuerte, nuff said). When he played against solid players, he bodied them(although he probably studied them).
 
That analysis of Infiltration buffering the Raging Demon after Daigo attempts a sweep (and this is after he does a standing M to avoid Inflilt's initial sweep) was well done and made me see the game in yet another new light.
 
On a lighter note.

My friend pointed out to me Combofiend looked extra salty after his losses. He looked kinda mad with Champ jumping around celebrating. Then after Champ won GF, he just like barely tapped him on the shoulder or something and said good job.
 
TheBkMogul said:
That analysis of Infiltration buffering the Raging Demon after Daigo attempts a sweep (and this is after he does a standing M to avoid Inflilt's initial sweep) was well done and made me see the game in yet another new light.
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Huh? It's not exactly new. Most players actually experience it in their fighting game careers. You know exactly what they're going to do and you punish them for it. The fact Inlfitration could do that means he knows exactly what Daigo is thinking and doing when he plays. It's not uncommon for many Japanese people to be process/pattern orientated and a bit bad at improvising
 
kirblar said:
Troll account confirmed.
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Nah. Marvel was pretty boring, really. The Sentinel comeback(s) were pretty good, but other than that... not much happened. No new tech, no unique characters (what ever happened to Mame Spider?). Just Marvel randomness at it's peak, which gets pretty old. (It probably doesn't help that I hate Champ.)

AE, on the other hand: Daigo getting fourth, Wong not even making top 8, and demon perfection all day. Infiltration finally kept it on the entire tournament, and got the recognition he's deserved for a long time. Basically every AE match in top 8 was fascinating to watch, minus a few outliers.
 
Shouta said:
Huh? It's not exactly new. Most players actually experience it in their fighting game careers. You know exactly what they're going to do and you punish them for it. The fact Inlfitration could do that means he knows exactly what Daigo is thinking and doing when he plays. It's not uncommon for many Japanese people to be process/pattern orientated and a bit bad at improvising
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I think his point is that it's new to him. Back when I started playing SF4 seriously, I just started discovering all this stuff. Not really in my own matches because I was just salty and mad. But through match videos was when I finally started realizing that this guy knew what the other guy would do in a certain situation because of previous situations when they were in the same position.

As for Infil demon'ing Daigo's sweep. I refuse to believe that that was a reaction. I just think he felt so sure that Daigo would go for something after a whiffed st. LK like a sweep or low forward that he just did the demon anyways.
 
jett said:
http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo1/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo2/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/srkevo3/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun/videos

http://www.twitch.tv/xiei/videos

I'm fairly certain I've covered everything.



I suppose. Personally I don't mind comeback mechanics much but it was great seeing something different like Super Turbo in all its glory. And how great were the Vega screams from the audience? hahahah
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thank you so much watching them now, any must watch moments captured on youtube?

ton of footage to go through
 
mr. puppy said:
wow did everyone see this? Completely didn't even think about this:

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I pointed it out in the thread and what I believed what Justin was talking about when he meant new tech with Wolverine. Although to be honest I don't think this is the first time he has done this... I am pretty sure I have seen him do this when someone is grounded and basically just go in with high/low mix ups.
 
i have a questions for those that were there or know about this. can the guys waiting for ae or marvel top 8 play casuals before taking the stage or do they have to go in cold?
 
smurfx said:
i have a questions for those that were there or know about this. can the guys waiting for ae or marvel top 8 play casuals before taking the stage or do they have to go in cold?
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They can do whatever they want until they're called to the stage, fighting game tournaments don't usually impose rules like that on players.
 
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