EVO 2012 Thread 2 Because one thread wasnt enough to hold all the hype and the salt
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I agree, I remember the commentators saying how his combos with Kim weren't the best possible ones damage-wise. MadKOF played solid like a rock (even after the Takuma reverse OCV he stayed calm), while Bala looked a bit mindfucked, I think all the people's expectations got him.
MadKOF really made him look human, he almost looked a bit lost jumping around the character select screen.
There's definitely an argument to be made that it needs to be cut to top 6 or top 4 before the final day. The last few matches were absolutely intense, but the game's sets take a very, very long time relative to non-MK/SFxT games.
I feel Shining Depocon.. Popon.. Deponoc.. Decopon's play with Tira deserves a mention too.
Also, it was reposted a few times I think (cheers!), but one last time for those who might have missed it and be interested:
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Stream 3 had some pretty great content the past two days. Thought it'd be cool to collect it all and tidy it up!
INDIE GAME PANEL - approx 1 hour. The very start doesn't seem to be archived.
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CROSSCOUNTER EVO PREVIEW - Start at 2hrs for, I dunno, half an hour to an hour's worth of Ross, Gootecks and Zhi that was on a long loop.
CAPCOM PANEL - same link as above, 00h:30m to 02h:00m
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ULTRACHEN TV w/ FANATIQ - This was awesome, really, really interesting. Starts at around 23minutes, lasts for about an hour and a half.
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THE LEVEL|UP EXPERIENCE - starts at around 12 minutes. Haven't watched this yet. Hosted by MarkMan, chatting with Alex Valle, AJ and the behind the scenes crew. With bonus Offcast. Lasts an hour.
PLAYSTATION ALL-STARS - Chatting with Superbot. Starts at around 02h15m. Lasts ~90 minutes.
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ASSIST ME! - Maximillian, Dr Doom, Phoenix, X-23 and Wesker Q&A. Starts with an intro film that was far too distracting as a thumbnail during Marvel yesterday. Skip to around 35 minutes in. 90 minutes long.
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One thing I'll say about the stream this year is that I really wish there could have been a little more 'immediate' or casual or something. Having Stream 3 function not just as the 'panels' stream but also as an impromptu live interview stream with a desk set up in the middle of the venue (akin to last year's GodsGarden broadcast). Then showing the pre-recorded stuff in the midst of that. It'd have been cool to have that place for updates across all games as and when they occur off-stream.
I guess I understand that Wizard & Co want to keep a tight leash on the content which is played during 'official' streams though, as well as restrict a parallel stream that might pull viewers away. That said, if GodsGarden were allowed into the venue in 2011 to broadcast a show-floor stream, I'd love for give the nod to another community broadcaster on-site. Like an FGTVBooth stream or a Finest-KO joint or whatever. I guess I'd just love some live coverage that feels a bit more 'hot gossip'-ey, where a player could go and vent some salt to the world and we'd get some of that juicy inside-story.
The more I type, the more I realise it'd never get the go ahead, ha.
MadKOF never played for big damage. He was always darting around and taking little bites out of his opponents. Much less risky, but requires crazy skill to pull off.
Bala acted like he had never played against Dou Lon before. He picked a string of bad counters for him, depending on the opponent to screw up so he could close the distance. What he needed was a high mobility character like King. Her kicks cover space super quick and also hit high enough to avoid low fireballs. She would have pulverized him.
TheFightingFish
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So I'm going back and catching up on bits that I missed out on that sounded hype (did KOF XIII finals, next up Super Turbo and some SCV). But what stream did the VF5 go down on? I'm not seeing it listed in the main evo streams.
8wayrun.
KOF was awesome. I was about ready to go back to sleep while watching MK9.
"God's Beard!"
Member
I don't know anything about KOF but my favorite characters are Duo Lon and Chin. I told Vulva that if I played the game, they'd both be on my team. Then Mad KOF changed his team to have both of them and I was happy. Plus, Clark and Ralf kinda look like my boy Kevin Rian fron Garou.
Then winning SFIV and SFxT.
Was Infiltration having trouble? My favorite part of EVO was Infiltration saying "After considering reality, I'm going to win SFIV and SFxT."
Then winning SFIV and SFxT.
8WayRun has all the VF5 stuff apart from Top 3, which happily made the main stage/stream. Check the evosrk1 archives between MK9 and KOF.
EDIT: Here's the VF5 Top 3 archive. No need to find a timestamp, VF5 is the first thing.
Top 3 is only about twenty minutes. So if that's not enough (and it isn't ) here's the 15 hours of VF5 that preceeded it, http://www.twitch.tv/8wayrun/videos.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Considering reality... godlike fighting ability... name is "infiltration"... we are in the matrix and Infiltration is Neo!
Great stuff there, this game is hella cool, and the matches were great
Terareflection
Member
Hmm, I wonder...
Seraphinianus
Banned
It annoyed me that every round seemed to be him getting his first character killed by Duo Lon, then Takuma fucked up his Duo Lon, then his Chin fucked up his Takuma, then Bala would lose.
I was wondering why he never put Takuma first to put MadKOF at the deficit, instead of Bala himself taking it.
Terareflection
Member
Takuma isn't very scary without meter. I also don't think he would be able to build it very well against Duo.
This is just me theory fighting though.
I know I'm a bit late, but come on son.
I thought the best move he made all set was moving Takuma to anchor.
Takuma is a monster when it comes to damage, probably the best output in the game. He needs drive and/or meter to take advantage of this though.
Also, without meter he's a sitting duck under pressure. Has nothing to get you off of him.
I think it was more his excellent spacing, bating and just overall control of the screen and opponent than the character he was using. He played King in a similar hit and run style. Very smart, very precise.
Oh yeah, I absolutely didn't mean to infer that Mad achieved what he did through little more than the opponents' match-up inexperience! His play in and of itself was undoubtedly the obstacle that people were running into. I would just imagine that Bala et al would now be sat at home *specifically* running dozens of hours of training mode specifically against point Duo.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I host a fighting game night every week at my house, usually around 10 people show up, and to a person everyone was weary of the KOF finals. We watched the finals instead of playing anything last week. Even the few KOF players thought it went on forever.
Those best of threes were like 15 minutes or something sick like that. There was barely any diversity in style, you were pretty much seeing the same match over and over.
The KOF top 8 lasted 3 hours give or take, so that's one reason which explain how they could be 2.5 hours behind schedule. Adjustments will have to be made for next year (and Marvel lasted 2 hours which is probably twice as long as last year) .
KOF players getting sick of length? Barely any diversity in style?
Not noticing the tons of in-match struggles is also a bad look.
I'm sorry, but you have no clue what you're talking about. This is more wrong than saying that Akuma, Ken, and Ryu are played exactly the same way in SF4.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It was almost all nonstop rushdown, every match.
Parallax Scroll
Banned
The KOF action was good, but it did eat up a lot of time on finals day. If their schedule is also tight next year it might be a good idea to only stream top 4 or do 2 out of 3 all the way through.
Sorry there was no king to satisfy your lame play itch.
Top 8 Marvel was shorter than KOF and would've been the same time as SF4 if the matches in SF4 were actually closer. It was 2 hours for Marvel and 1 and a half hour for SF4. A lot of the matches in Marvel went down to the wire plus the bracket reset.
This is pretty much in line with what most of the people supporting 3/5 have been saying. It takes about as much time as 2/3 SF4 and still shorter than 2/3 KOF. I have no doubt that Marvel next year will be 3/5 all the way through. And like Keits said, most of pools is just very quick 3-0s anyway and that's what happened at EVO too.
This is pretty much in line with what most of the people supporting 3/5 have been saying. It takes about as much time as 2/3 SF4 and still shorter than 2/3 KOF. I have no doubt that Marvel next year will be 3/5 all the way through. And like Keits said, most of pools is just very quick 3-0s anyway and that's what happened at EVO too.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
KOF took so damn long.
I was like half paying attention to the KOF finals cause I was trying to rest. Crowd certainly seemed into it though.
I was like half paying attention to the KOF finals cause I was trying to rest. Crowd certainly seemed into it though.
Cloudius12
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You still have to stay on schedule.
Plus when you factor in the multiple "I have to calm down" breaks during Marvel that Champ took, along with the 10-15 minute delay in order to clear the aisles so that there was no fire code violation, Marvel was 3/5 play was essentially an hour and a half/forty five minutes tops.
CookedChocobo
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Yeah, I really hope UMVC3 is 3 out of 5 for the whole tournament next year.
In several cases in UMVC3 3 out of 5 games through out the year, the better player was down 0-2 and won 3 straight after figuring out their opponent.
And it just does more justice for international players to play 3 out of 5 than 2 out of 3. You don't want to travel and spend a lot just to get random'd out and lose so quickly.
Ragingnight
Member
And this is why EVO should be moved to a convention hall and be a 4 day event (not on a holiday weekend).
Continuity
Member
So, basically like SBO?
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Jaxel put all the VF5 stuff on YT apparently.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL08CABE989A700487
Also, I am watching the archives. It seems the average button check is a little over 2 minutes? I'll just say it's 2 minutes.
I think there are 9 matches in a top 8 bracket (could be wrong). I won't count the first one though.
So 8 X 2, so 16 minutes per top 8. Six top 8's (I know SFxTK wasn't 8). 96 minutes give or take of wasted time for the whole day becasue they didn't have the 2 station set up?
Also, it seemed Mk and KOF were taking more time between matches than the other games. Plus the time for people to unplug, plug in, walk away to let the other 2 walk in, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL08CABE989A700487
Also, I am watching the archives. It seems the average button check is a little over 2 minutes? I'll just say it's 2 minutes.
I think there are 9 matches in a top 8 bracket (could be wrong). I won't count the first one though.
So 8 X 2, so 16 minutes per top 8. Six top 8's (I know SFxTK wasn't 8). 96 minutes give or take of wasted time for the whole day becasue they didn't have the 2 station set up?
Also, it seemed Mk and KOF were taking more time between matches than the other games. Plus the time for people to unplug, plug in, walk away to let the other 2 walk in, etc.
crimzonflame
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No offense, but you and your friends sound like scrubs.
KOF being a time sink is nothing new, but also keep in mind that it didn't even start on time, so if you had hopped on the stream expecting Marvel don't blame just KOF for running past schedule.
Speaking of button checks some VF players should be slapped for not taking advantage of being able to do so outside a match.
This! What people fail to realize is that while KOF does indeed run longer than all the other official games. The EVO staff planned for it and scheduled it to run an EXTRA HOUR longer than the other games. If you want to put the blame on something, blame it on the exhibitions and other videos in between, which weren't part of the schedule (though I'm glad VF was put on stream).
Ragingnight
Member
Then you would of hated watching CVS2. And if you hate CVS2 ....
They have had an exhibition on the last day for a few years now (iirc). Also they don't put those on the schedule because its kind of that "surprise" thing.
Well, SFxT started an hour late, so it goes back further than that.
GotchaForce
Member
I'm Sevenforce in those archives. Other than the side tourney at CEO this was my first major and was happy I wasn't very nervous but not so happy with my play. I got bodied by Shidosha but that was cool, dude is godlike in play and personality. I won my second game and that was great and it was AfroCole who took me out of the pool (though I won 2 more off stream). As a VF fan who didn't figure they had a chance to go 3-2 was something. It was my first EVO and it was a great time and I bumped into some GAFers and watched GFs with them (Vulva, Godsbeard).
This! What people fail to realize is that while KOF does indeed run longer than all the other official games. The EVO staff planned for it and scheduled it to run an EXTRA HOUR longer than the other games. If you want to put the blame on something, blame it on the exhibitions and other videos in between, which weren't part of the schedule (though I'm glad VF was put on stream).
I can't imagine that VF5 and TT2 ran longer than maybe 45 minutes or so combined, and Evo finished out at what, 2-2.5 hours late? Not really the problem there.
Seraphinianus
Banned
with just the games, it wouldn't have been all that late. The exhibitions are what pushed into super late territory. But hey, namco/sega paid for that exposure to 90K people, so not much you can do.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
SC5 started half hour late. It all started off bad as well.
I didn't seem they factored in the exhibitions really. They need to slot more time for KOF13 next year though I think. But who knows if there is 3-2 matches and bracket resets next year. It's tough.