Pollux
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Well that explains it...all the crazy stuff is going on in Florida.
CFA response to anti-gay alleg. "Guilty as charged." Do NOT gloat about eating at CFA
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Well that explains it...all the crazy stuff is going on in Florida.
Even though this is a great idea it wont make much of a difference.
CornBurrito
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I wonder if Dunk would eat at Chic-Fil-A if they were like Google and actively supported gay rights. Or maybe he wouldn't be overhyping it as the most amazing food in the universe.
Are you one of those people that doesn't vote because one vote makes no difference?
Are you one of those people that doesn't vote because one vote makes no difference?
Count Dookkake
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Just like voting, amirite?
this has been argued to death and it is not comparable. you can easily cut chick-fil-a out of your life rather than stop using all electronics.
Trying to ban bait?
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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He said laptops, not all electronics.
If you can offer a practical alternative, then me.
This is seriously not comparable at all. Chick Fil A is easy to cut out of your modern life. Electronic devices- not so much. I'll happily buy from the first company that creates devices made in fair trade labor conditions.
Dark Octave
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If you're going to say somthing someone is saying is false, at least explain why.
Educate me.
CornBurrito
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Dunk is openly against gay marriage. He's said so in past threads. So no I'm not trying to ban bait him.
If you meant my bit about you not voting, GAF doesn't ban you for not voting.
Mmmm. sweet, sweet sugar chicken...
You must be going to one of the Godless heathen stores. One of the reasons I like their sandwiches is because they aren't as greasy as others and they aren't as heavy on the batter.
I don't tend to fry chicken at home and won't even waste time to cook a chicken sandwich unless it's with leftovers.
I already did. I think being against gay marriage is a legitimate stance even if I don't agree with it. I have no issues with it at all from a religious belief standpoint since legislation won't change belief. To be clear, I think they are wrong headed for being vocal and I always think it's stupid to mix religion and politics, but this is not exactly the only instance of that happening.
I don't believe that people against gay marriage have a tendency to actually hate gay people. They are simply going off a religious definition of marriage and the government, all parties included, have gone along with it.
It's a polarizing issue on an international level and it's naive/silly/goofy to think that one company's leader is to carry the burden of being against it. I'd just as soon have a boycott going against Georgia Pacific paper. I don't care whether others boycott them and understand why they do, but it doesn't need to carry over to me and I'll seep fine with the possible condemnation hanging over my head.
I promise when they start passing out anti-gay t-shirts for every waffle fry ordered I'm done with them though.
You didn't educate me by explaining interracial marriage is the same as being against gay marriage. I didn't know I was supposed to do the same.
A simple answer that can progress from there is, from a Christian standpoint, interracial marriage was allowed. Even under Judaism, it was allowed and that was largely a race based religious nation.
Another difference is cultural scope and significance, but that's a whole other essay.
Let's not even mention that unlike the period when interracial marriage were directly tied to civil rights, most companies now are either pro- or neutral in this battle so as not to offend. After all, they know the fundalmentalist will still shop Walmart. It took a liong tme for Sambo's to not exist. this issue is one primarily because no one can find other prominent companies bold enough to argue it (I've actually tried to find articles to little success). If there is, then the boycott list needs to grow beyond a chicken place.
Sorry for the slight derail but your original statement might make some people respond with something bannable.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Out of curiosity, what exactly do the people boycotting this plan to do? Run Chick Fil A out of business, or scare them into knowing how much of the customer base supports gay rights...
CornBurrito
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Deified Data
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Oh, Chik-Fil-A...your waffle fries are delicious and offering honey to dip your nuggets in is quite clever, but please keep your religion out of my food. Seriously. How dumb do you have to be to alienate so many people by attatching a backwards morality to fast food, something that has hitherto never needed it? I can't decide if the founder of Chik is a moron or chock full of midguided integrity to not have to give a shit about pissing off so many people.
He has his faith and morals, and that's fine, but people don't need that attatched to mundane shit you can grab at a mall food court. It's his prerogative, I guess. It's when you start firing or refusing to hire people who don't adhere to your worldview that I begin to have a problem. There's really no excuse for their alleged mistreatment of non-christian employees and applicants.
He has his faith and morals, and that's fine, but people don't need that attatched to mundane shit you can grab at a mall food court. It's his prerogative, I guess. It's when you start firing or refusing to hire people who don't adhere to your worldview that I begin to have a problem. There's really no excuse for their alleged mistreatment of non-christian employees and applicants.
..ok?
foxconn's customers:
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
Microsoft (United States)
Motorola Mobility (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Samsung Electronics (South Korea)
Sony (Japan)
Toshiba (Japan)
Vizio (United States)
if you're going to boycott laptop manufacturers because of being made in china with poor labour standards, better stop buying from all of these companies too. it's a stupid comparison. it's a million times easier to not eat at one restaurant than it is to not buy laptops and/or other electronics from these companies.
Count Dookkake
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Spread the word about Chic-fil-a's support for a gross cause, leading to more people choosing to not eat there, who will in turn pass it on to others. Then we see what happens.
Is this really so confusing?
CornBurrito
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I find it funny how often people are told to vote with their wallets, but then told that their vote is absolutely meaningless because they are just one person.
Also I just plan on not eating at gross overrated fast food places.
Gentleman Jack
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All of the above? Maybe the more realistic view is regardless of the outcome, they'll be happy not contributing to the problems gays face in this country.
In the end, though - Chick-Fil-A still wins. They won't stop making money.
Deified Data
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I don't hold any false delusions that by my abstaining from their restaurants I will have any sort of effect on their worldview or business model.
At the end of the day, there are a million places to eat, and not all of them flaunt their socio-political views in my face.
It's always interested me how people can compromise their values. With the laptop example, it's interesting that people won't boycott the products simply because its more difficult (and I guess deemed more hopeless?). I would even think that the boycotting of these electronic devices are more important because they actually have a physically detrimental effect (affect?) on the people producing the tech. I'm not pointing you out specifically, but I think this is a very interesting subject to study.
Edit: It also looks like Chick-fil-a is doing people a favor by being so blunt. Seems a little ironic.
CornBurrito
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Fenderputty
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In all fairness, when do boycotts work? It's the reason I laugh when Libertarians suggest the market will correct itself because people won't want to give their money to corporations with shady business practices. People always feel like their singular efforts will go to waste in the grand scheme of things. Plus half the country will probably actively purchase more of their food because of their stance.
Gentleman Jack
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It also helps to be part of the opposition by voting against BS laws like California's Prop 8. Your whole world doesn't have to revolve around Chik Fil A's bottom line as long as you contribute to the causes you care about. You're right, not eating there is a very small thing. But it's something.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
This is one of the most unorganized efforts I have ever seen.
CornBurrito
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Boycotts only work if a large amount of people join in and boycott, which only happens if every individual in the effort gets over the "I'm only one person" mindset.
Cool? I didn't eat at chic-fil-a before or after this news story.
Keru_Shiri
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For me, it's more a show of solidarity. I do it out of respect for the rights of homosexuals, some of whom are very close friends of mine.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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It's really easy to not buy from any of these companies. The only one I would say I personally use out of this list is microsoft, sony and intel. And dropping them wouldn't be hard for me.
Devolution
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Can't eat that either, then.
Has In-n-out taken a specifically anti-gay stance?
Fenderputty
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Right ... which almost never happens.
Anyone here boycotting Coca Cola for hiring death squads to kill union leaders in South America?
I'm sure everyone in the Country would be against such activities, but it goes by unnoticed or cared about.
CornBurrito
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I don't really drink soda. Does that kinda count?
Keru_Shiri
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Can't eat that either, then.
Printing Bible verses isn't a problem. Donating a million bucks to stop the rights of others is the problem. I have yet to see evidence that suggests that In-n-Out makes such donations.
Count Dookkake
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Regarding the efficacy of boycotts, one must also consider that one may not wish to knowingly contribute money to such an odious organization. So whether or not the boycott effects these turds may be irrelevant to some.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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You don't have to boycott them until they are open about their actions, according to some in this thread.
Deified Data
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Some of us just assume we live in a crapsack world in which all major corporations hide dark secrets. I may not approve, but I've come to terms with that by subverting my own moral integrity. Keep it hidden. It's not "better", but it is more "polite".
Count Dookkake
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Think of it like this:
There is probably gross stuff in a lot of what we eat.
That said, I will make a fuss if I see you spit in my food.
There is probably gross stuff in a lot of what we eat.
That said, I will make a fuss if I see you spit in my food.
Fenderputty
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Luckily I don't drink Coke or go to Chic-Fil-A as well.
I just think it's near impossible to pull off a successful boycott. It's very human nature to feel one's singular efforts are getting offset by the masses. Like I said ... it's the reason I laugh at Libertarians.
Horse Detective
Why the long case?
Guilt tripping everyone into a personal moral decision is definitely a good way to gain support.
Keru_Shiri
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What do you mean? People probably spit on food everywhere, no reason to be upset about it.
Count Dookkake
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Strawmanning is even better. lol.
Some people don't need to be "guilt tripped" because they have a well-developed sense of ethics. They just need to be informed.
Devolution
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Not saying shit is a good way too.
Live and let live.
Ride or die.
Never complain and let people rationalize bad behavior if they do indeed support gay rights.
"Hey if you eat there that's not cool."
<insert strawman here>
We don't have a Chic-a-Fila where I live, but if the food is good, I really couldn't muster up the moral outrage to avoid it over this issue.
They'd have to be some real evil dudes (assuming their food is fantastic) to stop me purchasing from them (like maybe supporting the forced decapitation of every 5th puppy born..)
They'd have to be some real evil dudes (assuming their food is fantastic) to stop me purchasing from them (like maybe supporting the forced decapitation of every 5th puppy born..)
Gentleman Jack
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Oh I get it now, your username is "rookie"
Acerac
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I'm gay, work at Target, have multiple openly gay managers, and have seen many gay friendly messages sent down by higher ups. I was surprised to see that they even wrote about pride month in the break room news postings that are sent throughout the company.
10 years ago they were anti-gay. They've gotten their act together it seems.
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Oh god 500 posts appeared while I was away this quote seems stupidly irrelevant now.
Alligatorjandro
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Would you eat at chik fil a
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