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Im a bit confused here, but in the movie, isn't it indicated that when Joh Blake gets his bag, his real name is Robin, indicating he will become robin. Becuase when he arrives at this cave in the end, and he has those things flying past him, they didnt look like bats, i thought they were birds? Have i got this wrong.
 
Scullibundo said:
I would rather see a reboot. JGL is not Batman. That whole ending scene with him made me roll my eyes. Nolan Shia Laboufed it and I thought he was above that pandering fan service wankery.
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Did you not see the after credits scene where blocks descended from the ceiling and he got crushed between the platforms? The legend ends.
 
I don't think there's any reason the scene on France wouldn't be real. It's not like Inception where the movie's plot raises questions about the nature of reality. People can't be serious.
 
Neverender said:
I don't think there's any reason the scene on France wouldn't be real. It's not like Inception where the movie's plot raises questions about the nature of reality. People can't be serious.
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I'm going off the notions at he thought he saw him before, and was faked out. That's what he always wanted to happen to Bruce. Him going to France to try and relive that fantasy or what not and imagined it. With that too they showed really no evidence that he lived besides that.

I'm probably really really wrong but the idea did pop in my head.
 
Oh man. We're going to be flooded with conspiracy theories that the scene with Bruce and Selina at the end isn't real. Of course it's real. Why the hell would Alfred imagine Selina with him? Lulz. That's more ridiculous than the fact that Bruce actually fell for Selina.


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I like(?) how they turned that around in TDKR. Lies are never good enough, truth is absolute!
 
I couldn't believe some of the terrible tropes Nolan managed to fit into the script. The Bruce Wayne "I'm not Batman but I am friends with him! Would you like to talk to him?" is some of the laziest writing ever and is usually reserved for bottom-of-the-barrel superhero stories. Not only has it been done to death, but I can't imagine it ever being good in the first place. It's cheap. So cheap.

Another one - JGL just 'knowing' Bruce Wayne is Batman because he's 'seen' that face before. What? It's always a little bit of a leap of faith to assume no one can systematically work out who a superhero's alter-ego is so it's usually best not to draw attention to it at all. This brings into question, well if JGL knew, surely a hell of a lot more 'bright' people knew too? And where would he have even seen Batman's face? Batman is a shadow. He's supposed to be almost non-existent and when he isn't he rushes by with haste. And if JGL knew, how the hell did it take Gordon so long to figure it out? It undermines all the characters previous who didn't figure it out, especially because JGL never met him. Really lazy.
 
Dommo said:
I couldn't believe some of the terrible tropes Nolan managed to fit into the script. The Bruce Wayne "I'm not Batman but I am friends with him! Would you like to talk to him?" is some of the laziest writing ever and is usually reserved for bottom-of-the-barrel superhero stories. Not only has it been done to death, but I can't imagine it ever being good in the first place. It's cheap. So cheap.

Another one - JGL just 'knowing' Bruce Wayne is Batman because he's 'seen' that face before. What? It's always a little bit of a leap of faith to assume no one can systematically work out who a superhero's alter-ego is so it's usually best not to draw attention to it at all. This brings into question, well if JGL knew, surely a hell of a lot more 'bright' people knew too? And where would he have even seen Batman's face? Batman is a shadow. He's supposed to be almost non-existent and when he isn't he rushes by with haste. And if JGL knew, how the hell did it take Gordon so long to figure it out? It undermines all the characters previous who didn't figure it out, especially because JGL never met him. Really lazy.
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That was intentionally cheesy.

John Blake is the supercop of Gotham anyway, see all the things only he figured out in the movie and no one else did? Maybe Gotham is just full of stupid people and deserve to be in ashes.
 
You forgot the superhero taking the bomb about to explode trope.

How many times did they call JGL a hot head? He wasn't at all a hot head. He was the only cop who seemed to have more than two brain cells.

Why GCPD always gotta be full of morons? It's like Police Academy.
 
Pixel Pete said:
Thats what he did though. All it took was a fracture in his mask to set his chronic pain off and turn the tide of the fight in his favour...
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Yes but to fracture the mask he had to punch him in the face? He was punching him in the face in the last fight. He could've at least thrown a batarang or some shit. The guy broke his back so his answer to beating him next is repeated blows to the face.
 
Totakeke said:
That was intentionally cheesy.

John Blake is the supercop of Gotham anyway, see all the things only he figured out in the movie and no one else did? Maybe Gotham is just full of stupid people and deserve to be in ashes.
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What? How? Why? When has anything in Nolan Batman films been intentionally cheesy? They're designed to be taken absolutely seriously. Obviously jokes will be made throughout but the overarching story and plot-progression will no doubt be consistently serious in tone.
 
The Aussie ROFL COPTER said:
Im a bit confused here, but in the movie, isn't it indicated that when Joh Blake gets his bag, his real name is Robin, indicating he will become robin. Becuase when he arrives at this cave in the end, and he has those things flying past him, they didnt look like bats, i thought they were birds? Have i got this wrong.
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Blake is not Robin.

CyReN said:
Just got back.

So is Nolan pulling some shit Inception ending or something? or was France real?
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They had a whole scene with Fox explaining that the autopilot in The Bat was fully working. Theres no Inception shit going on here.
 
Dommo said:
JGL just 'knowing' Bruce Wayne is Batman because he's 'seen' that face before. What? It's always a little bit of a leap of faith to assume no one can systematically work out who a superhero's alter-ego is so it's usually best not to draw attention to it at all. This brings into question, well if JGL knew, surely a hell of a lot more 'bright' people knew too? And where would he have even seen Batman's face? Batman is a shadow. He's supposed to be almost non-existent and when he isn't he rushes by with haste. And if JGL knew, how the hell did it take Gordon so long to figure it out? It undermines all the characters previous who didn't figure it out, especially because JGL never met him. Really lazy.
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Blake figuring it out because he's also an orphan? I actually didn't mind it, considering pretty much every major character knows he's Batman anyway, and the scene was acted well enough to make it seem believable.

The films are about a guy who goes to a ninja training camp and dresses up as a bat to fight crime. I'll roll with one special kid having the intuition to figure out his secret identity.
 
Dommo said:
Ugh you both managed to catch me before the edit. I'll post the bonus stuff again for good measure:

"Obviously jokes will be made throughout but the overarching story and plot-progression will no doubt be consistently serious in tone."
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Oh don't get me wrong, I agree with you. But I couldn't resist.
 
Scullibundo said:
You forgot the superhero taking the bomb about to explode trope.

How many times did they call JGL a hot head? He wasn't at all a hot head. He was the only cop who seemed to have more than two brain cells.

Why GCPD always gotta be full of morons? It's like Police Academy.
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That 'boy you're in for a show tonight son' cop was smart. He knew not to mess with Batman.
 
My friend bailed on me, so I won't be seeing this at midnight tonight.

So, instead, I'm going to see it in IMAX tomorrow afternoon.

Life, lemons, blah blah blah.
 
Yay! found the spoiler thread!

Some random thoughts:

So did anyone else find it cheesy that Talia changed into her "it'z tyme for me to be evil now" league of shadows attire out of nowhere at the end?I found that wacky and completely out of place.

Loved the way that Selina's googles looked like cat ears without actually making them cat ears.

Loved the Rocky 3 Bane/Batman fight in the first half of the film. First time in the trilogy that he was physically challenged by the villian.

Hated the cops vs. criminals charging in the giant melee fight. Soooooooo corny.

Loved dynamic between Bane and Talia and how he was humanized to a large degree at the close of the film.

Was on the verge of tears myself when Alfred was saying that he failed as the camera revealed the graves of his parents next to his.

Loved how Nolan-esque the weaving of Robin into the story was. Felt the Robin name drop at the close was totally unneeded.

Loved Bane as a villian and how he was smart yet a raging bull.

Split on how I feel about the ending. On one hand, I feel like they should have killed Bruce and made the ending about sacrifice for Gotham but then on the other, I love that they ended it like this because it gives Alfred the closure/pay off for enduring Bruce and all the trappings that went along with being Batman.

Selina wearing the catsuit was weird in how it was introduced and there was no real explanation on why she wore it. I also found it weird that Batman would start trusting Selina to control the Batpod when she had tried stealing from him throughout the entire first act of the movie AND how she was directly responsible for him getting his spline fucked up by Bane. That relationship didn't feel organic at all.
 
BurnOutBrighter said:
Blake figuring it out because he's also an orphan? I actually didn't mind it, considering pretty much every major character knows he's Batman anyway, and the scene was acted well enough to make it seem believable.

The films are about a guy who goes to a ninja training camp and dresses up as a bat to fight crime. I'll roll with one special kid having the intuition to figure out his secret identity.
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This is never a good argument. What you're talking about is buying into fiction - suspending disbelief. The law that as long as the universe you establish is consistent, it can be whatever you want it to be. For the most part, that seemingly ridiculousness is justified and thought through. Bruce travels far and wide to try to find a means to fight injustice. It makes sense he would eventually stumble upon something as ludicrous as the League of Shadows. He dresses up as a bat as a means of being overly dramatic, terrifying and theatrical in the eyes of his enemies. This is all well thought out and well communicated to audiences so it feels believable and realistic within the confines of the film, even if it probably couldn't happen in real life.

On the other hand "one special kid having the intuition to figure out his secret identity" is just incredibly lazy writing, it undermines other characters and wasn't well thought out in any way. It's cliched, and feels like an incredibly easy way to get JGL into 'the cool group.' There's nothing believable about it at all based on what we know previously. So it's not consistent with what has been previously established.
 
How did u guys feel about Bane's end? That was my biggest disappointment and out of nowhere thing from this movie. I think there was a better way to finish Bane.


And I am confused, does Blake know Batman=Bruce Wayne from the beginning? How the hell did he figure out?
 
raven777 said:
How did u guys feel about Bane's end? That was my biggest disappointment and out of nowhere thing from this movie. I think there was a better way to finish Bane.
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I agree, that was a pretty shitty way of killing off Bane.

All to put Selina over with a one-liner designed for a roar from the crowd.
 
OMG I just thought of the biggest missed opportunity in this film.

After Bane and company raid Batman's underground weapon's store and take fucking everything - leaving him with nothing, Bruce should have been forced to go back to the only thing he had left - his original Begins bat suit.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU I would have lost my mind if that happened. Now THAT would have brought everything full circle.
 
That's the thing tho...I feel that there's too many convenient plot devices in this movie, how bane got killed off, Blake figuring out who Batman is, how Selena and Batman didnt get shot by men firing from an elevated position when they were on the roof, The Bat placed on the roof and not a single person stumbled into it. Oh.. and those two evil business men looked like they'd fit right at home in the Matrix movies than they did here.

It was a fantastic movie but just doesn't hold up against the previous ones...
 
Dommo said:
This is never a good argument. What you're talking about is buying into fiction - suspending disbelief.
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I think the justification was "valid enough" for it to not be a deal breaker for me. I'm usually okay with stuff like this as long as there's a reason, even if it's a crappy reason. If there's no reason, or a contradictory reason, that's when my brain says "Wait a minute..."

It is a pretty romantic notion though, that you can tell someone's secrets by the look on their face. Guess I'm a sucker for that stuff :P

It's not just the script though. The way the film does the scene also helps to sell it. With the acting and scene setup, the slow track in to JGL, it was all telling me "this is an important moment" and more likely to be open to what the script was saying. From there I got the director's intent and was happy to stick with it.
 
Scullibundo said:
OMG I just thought of the biggest missed opportunity in this film.

After Bane and company raid Batman's underground weapon's store and take fucking everything - leaving him with nothing, Bruce should have been forced to go back to the only thing he had left - his original Begins bat suit.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU I would have lost my mind if that happened. Now THAT would have brought everything full circle.
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Would that have made up for a majority of what you disliked?
 
Scullibundo said:
OMG I just thought of the biggest missed opportunity in this film.

After Bane and company raid Batman's underground weapon's store and take fucking everything - leaving him with nothing, Bruce should have been forced to go back to the only thing he had left - his original Begins bat suit.

FUUUUUUUUUUUU I would have lost my mind if that happened. Now THAT would have brought everything full circle.
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Holy shit, Sculli.

That would have been sensational.
 
Al Ghulz wife had the worst fate in the whole trilogy. Getting raped to death by a hundred angry men. No wonder Ghul is such a ruthless bastard.
 
Man said:
Al Ghulz wife had the worst fate in the whole trilogy. Getting raped to death by a hundred angry men. No wonder Ghul iz such a ruthless bastard.
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Speaking of women and prisons, why did they put Selina in with the men, again?

Because the budget didn't call for a women's prison scene?
 
adelante said:
That's the thing tho...I feel that there's too many convenient plot devices in this movie, how bane got killed off, Blake figuring out who Batman is, how Selena and Batman didnt get shot by men firing from an elevated position when they were on the roof, The Bat placed on the roof and not a single person stumbled into it. Oh.. and those two evil business men looked like they'd fit right at home in the Matrix movies than they did here.

It was a fantastic movie but just doesn't hold up against the previous ones...
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TDK had alot of those too.

Btw, I noticed there are so many tv actors starred in this movie--Teal'c, that guy from Blue Blood, Bellick etc.
 
kurahador said:
TDK had alot of those too.
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Indeed it did, but for some reason it stood out more for me and I think it had to do with how they're edited. The scene at the roof for example could have used more closeup shots than filling the frame with both Selena and Batman, so it would have felt that they narrowly missed getting shot at by Bane's hooligans.

kurahador said:
Btw, I noticed there are so many tv actors starred in this movie--Teal'c, that guy from Blue Blood, Bellick etc.
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LOL my friend and I lost it when we noticed THREE key actors from Prison Break in this movie...
 
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