TheKaeptain
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At the end he should have said " The Grayson name died with my father." Boom fan service moment.
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Hm yes, that would be a far better way of putting in the easter egg. Though why would he not want to use his father's name?
Why would he use his real name? Half of his conversations with Bruce are about using a mask to protect the ones you care about or that the appeal of Batman is that it could be anyone under the cowl.
Hero_of_the_Day
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That's my point.
Yeah but nothing suggested he would use that name as a crime fighter. Plus, WB knows the name Batman prints money.
It is heavy handed, but if they took it out completely, non-Batman fans wouldn't really get the reference seeing John Blake wandering into Batman's cave.
Though I never really did made the connection of him "being Robin" until the very end scene itself. Heck, most people probably thinks he's supposed to be a representative of the middle-class citizens of Gotham which he is really not.
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Yeah I think that making his real name Robin is a good way of ensuring that "Robin" isn't the character he becomes, but his character is "Robin" in spirit (the way I see it, he will simply become the new Batman).
What I like about the way they handled things with Blake, is that Bruce kind of set up an "immortal" kind of system with Batman in the same way the League of Shadows has worked for hundreds of years...now Batman has become "immortal" in the same way that Ras Al Ghul is. (Think "Dread Pirate Roberts" from Princess Bride).
I explained that idea quite shittily but I'm really tired right now. Hopefully that makes some sense.
What I like about the way they handled things with Blake, is that Bruce kind of set up an "immortal" kind of system with Batman in the same way the League of Shadows has worked for hundreds of years...now Batman has become "immortal" in the same way that Ras Al Ghul is. (Think "Dread Pirate Roberts" from Princess Bride).
I explained that idea quite shittily but I'm really tired right now. Hopefully that makes some sense.
That was always the point since BB. Full circle, epic poetry etc. etc. Batman statue! I didn't really catch it but did it look like the demon Bats from BB?
I dunno, I felt it was pretty apparent what they were doing with Blake. It felt like he supposed to stand in for Tim Drake almost. Even down to how they both discover Batman's identity, and how Blake is promoted to detective. Drakes always been the most detective like of all the Robins IIRC.
Didn't like the reveal of Blake's name actually being Robin. It felt like someone didn't understand the source material and just named things as they liked.
Enjoyed JGL's scenes, and loved Hathaway as Catwoman (she had a nice mix of action, drama, and comic relief). The rest I thought was pretty shit. The editing was terrible, and they clearly felt the need to cram as much in without leaving beats. I didn't feel any resonance with the majority of the character interactions because the characters were just tossing lines back and forth without any emotional reaction. I thought Alfred's farewell scene was undermined by Bale's unbelievable "poor me" performance. The Bat seemed out of place, and a lot of the action scenes involving it felt like I had taken a break to play Halo or something. Also, the CGI used for The Bat didn't look very good. The stadium scene with the anthem, football game, and explosions felt too over-choreographed and suited a Transformers movie more than what Nolan had brought us to expect from his films.
I didn't buy Bale as Bruce Wayne or Batman for a single second at any point in this movie. I was prepared to have Blake throw on the suit and stand for something and enjoy it, but we didn't get that far.
Enjoyed JGL's scenes, and loved Hathaway as Catwoman (she had a nice mix of action, drama, and comic relief). The rest I thought was pretty shit. The editing was terrible, and they clearly felt the need to cram as much in without leaving beats. I didn't feel any resonance with the majority of the character interactions because the characters were just tossing lines back and forth without any emotional reaction. I thought Alfred's farewell scene was undermined by Bale's unbelievable "poor me" performance. The Bat seemed out of place, and a lot of the action scenes involving it felt like I had taken a break to play Halo or something. Also, the CGI used for The Bat didn't look very good. The stadium scene with the anthem, football game, and explosions felt too over-choreographed and suited a Transformers movie more than what Nolan had brought us to expect from his films.
I didn't buy Bale as Bruce Wayne or Batman for a single second at any point in this movie. I was prepared to have Blake throw on the suit and stand for something and enjoy it, but we didn't get that far.
I never followed the comics that closely so you're probably right. He did do a ton of stuff in the movie.
How does Bane eat or drink? That's the question I had throughout the movie.
During the first encounter with Blake and Wayne my buddy next to me asked if he would be robin?
I told him no, thinking to myself since his name wasn't Tim drake. Then next thing you know hurr sure robins your real name bro.
My friend yells at me I told you so and my mind is fucked
I told him no, thinking to myself since his name wasn't Tim drake. Then next thing you know hurr sure robins your real name bro.
My friend yells at me I told you so and my mind is fucked
I'll post some more detailed thoughts later, but...
It was alright. Some good moments, but hugely flawed. There's a good movie there conceptually, but the direction, editing, acting, and writing is extremely odd.
There's a sense that the movie's going through the motions, with very few of the intended emotional beats having their intended effect.
Parts of it felt more like a fan-fiction Nolan-themed Batman than what we were accustomed to in the previous movies.
Lastly, this felt like the most rushed 2 hour and 45 minute movie I've ever watched. There's a lot that needed to be cut.
TDK > BB >>>> TDKR
It was alright. Some good moments, but hugely flawed. There's a good movie there conceptually, but the direction, editing, acting, and writing is extremely odd.
There's a sense that the movie's going through the motions, with very few of the intended emotional beats having their intended effect.
Parts of it felt more like a fan-fiction Nolan-themed Batman than what we were accustomed to in the previous movies.
Lastly, this felt like the most rushed 2 hour and 45 minute movie I've ever watched. There's a lot that needed to be cut.
TDK > BB >>>> TDKR
On the superficial level, the only thing that bugged me was that Bane's death was unsatisfying, considering how fucking fantastic he was for the entire movie.
Other than that, I mean yeah, the movie suffers from the usual Nolan faults like fucking dreadful exposition, clunky pacing, "no way in a million years would an actual human being talk like this" dialog (though no where near as bad as TDK), but the movie still managed to stay engaging (and thankfully avoided any sort of carnival of stupid like the third act of TDK), and the action was definitely a huge improvement for him.
Banes fight with Batman was fucking brutal as FUCK. Hearing him say "I will break you" and actually having him knee him in the back was great.
Other than that, I mean yeah, the movie suffers from the usual Nolan faults like fucking dreadful exposition, clunky pacing, "no way in a million years would an actual human being talk like this" dialog (though no where near as bad as TDK), but the movie still managed to stay engaging (and thankfully avoided any sort of carnival of stupid like the third act of TDK), and the action was definitely a huge improvement for him.
Banes fight with Batman was fucking brutal as FUCK. Hearing him say "I will break you" and actually having him knee him in the back was great.
JehutyRunner
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All this Robin talk. I hadn't twigged at all until I seen the posts in this thread. I didn't catch Blake's real name properly at the end. Then after seeing the posts, I remembered it. I had a slap my head moment after realising it.
Razgriz-Specter
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Jump right into
avoids the Robin problem and also isn't just ripping off Bruce.
NathanMcMahon
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So any bets on a Nightwing Movie?
I actually thought of Nightwing due to the glowstick that Blake was carrying at the end lol
Hero_of_the_Day
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My question is, does anyone think WB would seriously do a sequel/reboot with JGL as Batman or do they intend to just leave that where it is and go with a full on reboot in a few years?
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I went with I felt like they needed to add more, not cut though. Coming from the same place, though. And everything else is dead on for how I feel.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. I went with I felt like they needed to add more, not cut though. Coming from the same place, though. And everything else is dead on for how I feel.
Razgriz-Specter
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DC should do it while he is hot.
Just a quick stream of consciousness (opinions not necessarily a review); actual plot points and story coherence need more exposition than I have the energy for:
Well, since everyone is doing it:
BB > TDK > TDKR
- Catwoman's part is superfluous and highly predictable. I was actually impressed by how well she played the role, however, as I was not a fan of that casting decision. I'm glad there was no significant romantic subplot -- as those are the worst.
- Second act of the film is the weakest. The final "act" or "ending sequence" is by far the strongest.
- My favorite is still probably BB (I know). Subsequent films both have pacing issues that were hard to ignore. TDK will probably retain the popular vote.
- Some of Blake's "joke" lines fell flat in the theater; humor in other instances worked.
- Tom Hardy's Bane worked well and the cheese was minimal throughout the film -- thank Allah (timing is appropriate). Sometimes his voice didn't always match the action on screen and my immersion was somewhat broken.
- Alfred's scenes were almost all terrible. Sometimes Caine is a parody of himself.
- After being disappointed by every major blockbuster I've seen so far from Prometheus to Avengers -- I'd say this is my favorite film of the summer.
Well, since everyone is doing it:
BB > TDK > TDKR
I haven't seen the movie yet, why the fuck am I reading this thread
Who knows. I'm asking myself the very same.
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Hated the pacing, hated the length. Middle segment felt incredibly messy. The film as a whole felt like an early rough cut that needed a lot more time in editing.
I was pleased with pretty much all of the vehicle sequences in terms of scale and vfx.
All of the foreshadowing was hilarious.
I was pleased with pretty much all of the vehicle sequences in terms of scale and vfx.
All of the foreshadowing was hilarious.
foodtaster
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just came back from watching it.
if you divided the movie into three parts. the second part could be removed and nothing of any significant value would've been lost from the movie. like, really? some parts seemed like it was just "doing its thing," not really adding any plot value.
The Prestige remains nolan's greatest film.
if you divided the movie into three parts. the second part could be removed and nothing of any significant value would've been lost from the movie. like, really? some parts seemed like it was just "doing its thing," not really adding any plot value.
The Prestige remains nolan's greatest film.
Didn't see this thread. Here are my impressions from the other thread.
Btw, as far as the negative reactions regarding the pacing. I agree somewhat but the payoff is worth it. Also Bane is oh so scary.
Btw, as far as the negative reactions regarding the pacing. I agree somewhat but the payoff is worth it. Also Bane is oh so scary.
Stabby McSter
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WHERE'S THE TRIGGER
First 3/4 of the movie was slow for me, then all of a sudden it just exploded into a fucking true Nolan piece.
As of now BB > TDK > TDKR
Gonna watch it a couple more times and maybe it will change
e/ also was the sniper killing off those guys in the first part of the movie deadshot?
As of now BB > TDK > TDKR
Gonna watch it a couple more times and maybe it will change
e/ also was the sniper killing off those guys in the first part of the movie deadshot?
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BurnOutBrighter
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Alfred looked like he was about to cry in every scene.
Yes! Something about alligators in the sewers?
Yes! Something about alligators in the sewers?
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Regarding those saying why Talia had to name herself Miranda Tate and why is John Blake's middle name Robin. Its because people who have avoided all the spoilers and only seen the trailer will not see the twist coming a mile away, and when it is time to reveal the twist, John Blake had to be given the middle name "Robin" for audience to "get" it.
One of my favorite scenes is when Selina gives the prints. Holy shit, her scream was genuinely horrifying and believable.
One of my favorite scenes is when Selina gives the prints. Holy shit, her scream was genuinely horrifying and believable.
NathanMcMahon
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Anyone think that the pit was supposed to represent the Lazarus Pit?
I think it was a "form" of Pena Duro in Nolan's world
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Well there was that nudge nudge wink wink when the ghost of Ras visits Bruce in the pit and declares himself to be immortal.
MagicWithEarvin
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Just got back from my midnight showing. Just some random thoughts as I try to recollect what happened:
- Anne Hathaway as Cat Woman was brilliant, she played the character well
- JGL "Robin" would be the perfect choice for Nightwing or maybe even Batman
- The ending was great and pieced together really well
- Great performance by Michael Caine even though he didn't have much screen time
Some people have some crazy theories like Alfred was delusional/seeing things at the end when he saw Bruce and Selena across his table, but Bruce supposedly died. Nope, Bruce didn't die - if people paid attention then you'd know that the auto-pilot was fixed on The Bat.
- Anne Hathaway as Cat Woman was brilliant, she played the character well
- JGL "Robin" would be the perfect choice for Nightwing or maybe even Batman
- The ending was great and pieced together really well
- Great performance by Michael Caine even though he didn't have much screen time
Some people have some crazy theories like Alfred was delusional/seeing things at the end when he saw Bruce and Selena across his table, but Bruce supposedly died. Nope, Bruce didn't die - if people paid attention then you'd know that the auto-pilot was fixed on The Bat.
That seems to be the only reasonable explanation. Although, didn't Nolan say he wouldn't do a Batman movie with Robin? I guess technically he sort of didn't. Regardless, didn't take away from the movie one bit.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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It was a mix of Lazarus Pit and Santa Prisca, yes.
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I don't know how anyone could miss it, there was a whole scene dedicated to that with Fox.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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Yep.
P.S. I hope I was not the only one who expect Blake's real name to be Jean-Paul as in Jean-Paul Valley. That would've been insane but I guess Robin makes more sense as no one knows Azrael, and Blake isn't as insane as Azrael is.
Oh and regarding Bruce's death, I would've loved it if it was kept open to our interpretation. Bruce did look awesome in that scene though!
And yes, Michael fucking Caine. Every scene was a heartbreaker.
TheKaeptain
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Oh yeah. Even that would have been better than just calling him Robin. Also would have been awesome because of the whole Tim Drake was never a Robin BS going on in DC now.
Him finding out who Batman is wasn't a big deal to me by the end of the movie. Because he shows throughout that he relies on his deductive abilities and never stops digging.
iAmMaximus
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Watched this in Seattle, so it was no surprise we all booed at the Steelers cameo. 
MagicWithEarvin
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One other thing, I know that some comic-book fans are disappointed with "Robin's" reveal, but I just thought it was pretty cool how "Robin" was there the whole time helping Batman. Like, a spiritual sort of thing, heh.
LOL! Where in Seattle? I was at Kent Station.
Watched this in Seattle, so it was no surprise we all booed at the Steelers cameo.
LOL! Where in Seattle? I was at Kent Station.
TheKaeptain
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There are always people that don't pay attention than make up shit or try and call something a plot hole because of it. Michael Caine better get a fucking Supporting Actor award for this. No old man is supposed to make me cry like he did.
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