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[NathanMcMahon]

Well there was that nudge nudge wink wink when the ghost of Ras visits Bruce in the pit and declares himself to be immortal.

I had originally hypothesized that Bane would break Bruce's back and Talia would show him the Lazarus Pit. He would recover in it and then Nolan could've given some nods to the mythical parts of Batman. Obviously, he's too grounded in realty with this incarnation so I was just hoping but it's interesting that that is where Bruce recovers form his back injury.

 

[Totakeke]

Nah, you guys are wrong! Bruce Wayne knew there were no happy endings for him so he decided to just end his life there. Also how can it be that the Alfred imagined scene earlier in the movie be so similar to the ending? How did he get the same seat and with the same people around him in the cafe?! It's clearly a dream.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Robin was fitting cause I think the general audience wouldn't know who Dick Grayson or Tim Drake are

Yep. That's exactly what happened. I'm sure Nolan would love to name him Tim Drake or Dick Grayson but alas he can't without ruining it.

Nah, you guys are wrong! Bruce Wayne knew there were no happy endings for him so he decided to just end his life there. Also how can it be that the Alfred imagined scene earlier in the movie be so similar to the ending? How did he get the same seat and with the same people around him in the cafe?! It's clearly a dream.

Full-circle.

 

[Prince of Space]

Loved it. Bane sounded like Sean Connery doing an impression of Grover, which ended up working out anyway, and Anne Hathaway was great as Miss Kitka.

 

[NathanMcMahon]

There are always people that don't pay attention than make up shit or try and call something a plot hole because of it. Michael Caine better get a fucking Supporting Actor award for this. No old man is supposed to make me cry like he did.

I think that's been one of the best realized character interactions throughout the series. The importance of Alfred to Bruce. I will say when Bruce let's Gordon in on his secret I got a little misty. Anytime I think about the loneliness young Bruce faces after the tragedy, it's pretty heart-wrenching.

 

[Vesmir]

I don't know how anyone could miss it, there was a whole scene dedicated to that with Fox.

The audience I was with were busy cheering at Robin being mentioned. I didn't catch that til my brother told me.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

The audience I was with were busy cheering at Robin being mentioned. I didn't catch that til my brother told me.

I didn't see the autopilot scene or maybe I misheard or mistook it. I know he did use autopilot but which scene gave it away?

 

[Paranerd]

Got home not too long ago from the movie. It was good, especially the ending, but I doesn't surpass The Dark Knight.

-The first half of the movie was slow.

-Why the hell was Gordon carrying that Harvey Dent speech in his coat while he was on duty?

 

[Chaser]

Just got back from my screening.

Still not sure what to think of the film overall. I absolutely loved the first third or so, with Bruce retired and the interaction between him and Alfred. It's always been the emotional core of these films and it's at its best here.

I thought Selina and Bane were both fantastic, although Selina was oddly underused and almost felt expendable because of that. Bane was excellent throughout, however. His beat-down of Batman in their first fight was incredible and genuinely felt upsetting to watch. It also showcased what I thought was an improved Nolan, action-wise. The football scene still didn't work for me, but I suspected that would be the case going in.

My biggest complaint, however, would be with the Talia character twist (though, thanks to set-photos, I knew it was coming). I really felt as if they crafted a strong character in Miranda who was an important part of what Bruce's life could be after Batman. I felt a bit cheated in that respect, and the exposition of her and Bane's origin at that climactic moment slowed things down a bit - the only real pacing issue I had.

So, overall, I was pleased. I wanted a bit more Bruce/Batman in the middle of the film, and there were definitely some logic gaps I've grown accustomed to in these kind of movies, but it was an excellent conclusion nonetheless. I felt the ending was exactly what I wanted for Bruce and Batman since the beginning, and I'm glad to see it happen (albeit I had some difficulty imagining how Batman escaped The Bat in time).
I'll probably see it again, this time in IMAX, sometime soon, so hopefully I can clarify my thoughts then.

 

[Vesmir]

I didn't see the autopilot scene or maybe I misheard or mistook it. I know he did use autopilot but which scene gave it away?

Fox dismantling a prototype after the will was read. Something about a patch authorized by Bruce.

 

[MisterAnderson]

How did they even find out that the autopilot was "fixed" on the Bat anyway? Wasn't the Bat destroyed in the explosion? What tipped them off that it was fixed, and how did Batman even get out in time? (They showed him in the cockpit with like 4 seconds left. I guess it could have been just in the spirit of editing/tricking the audience and he could have bailed way beforehand, though)

Edit: Oh the "fix" was a patch?

 

[Vesmir]

Why the hell was Gordon carrying that Harvey Dent speech in his coat while he was on duty?

From my understanding, Gordon went in the sewer the night of the speech. That, or he left it in that coat?

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Got home not too long ago from the movie. It was good, especially the ending, but I doesn't surpass The Dark Knight.

-The first half of the movie was slow.

-Why the hell was Gordon carrying that Harvey Dent speech in his coat while he was on duty?

- I LOVED the first part of the movie. It was so down to earth. It's hard to explain but I love seeing the aftermath scenarios and how everyone is dealing with it. It felt all noir and classic up until Bruce gets betrayed by Catwoman and the music stops.

- Ever kept something in your pocket and don't get the time to keep it away? (It was needed for the plot, man!)

 

[TheKaeptain]

How did they even find out that the autopilot was "fixed" on the Bat anyway? Wasn't the Bat destroyed in the explosion? What tipped them off that it was fixed, and how did Batman even get out in time? (They showed him in the cockpit with like 4 seconds left. I guess it could have been just in the spirit of editing/tricking the audience and he could have bailed way beforehand, though)

Edit: Oh the "fix" was a patch?

Yeah it was a software thing.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Just got back from my screening.

Still not sure what to think of the film overall. I absolutely loved the first third or so, with Bruce retired and the interaction between him and Alfred. It's always been the emotional core of these films and it's at its best here.

I thought Selina and Bane were both fantastic, although Selina was oddly underused and almost felt expendable because of that. Bane was excellent throughout, however. His beat-down of Batman in their first fight was incredible and genuinely felt upsetting to watch. It also showcased what I thought was an improved Nolan, action-wise. The football scene still didn't work for me, but I suspected that would be the case going in.

My biggest complaint, however, would be with the Talia character twist (though, thanks to set-photos, I knew it was coming). I really felt as if they crafted a strong character in Miranda who was an important part of what Bruce's life could be after Batman. I felt a bit cheated in that respect, and the exposition of her and Bane's origin at that climactic moment slowed things down a bit - the only real pacing issue I had.

So, overall, I was pleased. I wanted a bit more Bruce/Batman in the middle of the film, and there were definitely some logic gaps I've grown accustomed to in these kind of movies, but it was an excellent conclusion nonetheless. I felt the ending was exactly what I wanted for Bruce and Batman since the beginning, and I'm glad to see it happen (albeit I had some difficulty imagining how Batman escaped The Bat in time).
I'll probably see it again, this time in IMAX, sometime soon, so hopefully I can clarify my thoughts then.

the Talia twist actually got the biggest applause/reaction at my theater. liked it because it furthered her, Bane and Ra's as characters.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Will never get this "middle part is slow" thing that is cropping up, personally. I mean, I get it in that the middle part of the movie has NO batman and thus people tune out (same shit with people who say the first hour of BB is slow when it is the fastest paced, most well edited info dump possible for the character) but really the middle was almost my favorite part. It could've been an hour longer. Dive into this despair longer, have Bruce's return be more built up. I dunno how anybody wasn't drawn into that, I'm me. I can definitely see that's what the execs were dreading when the rumors came out months ago that they weren't crazy about the film. Certainly wasn't that open ending sequel one platter stuff Nolan left for them. Nolan made a Batman film that had Batman in costume for less than any Batman film ever. Mostly because he was detaching Bruce Wayne from the Batman myth and setting it free, which is what this film is about, but I'm not sure some people get that.

 

[TheKaeptain]

The Talia reveal was really good. I knew it was going to happen but about half way through I started to want it not to happen.

 

[Drkirby]

I didn't see the autopilot scene or maybe I misheard or mistook it. I know he did use autopilot but which scene gave it away?

When the guy is asking the Engineers what he could have done to fix it, and they start asking him what the point is. Then they take a look and find the software was fixed 6 months ago by Bryce.

I didn't see the Talia thing coming, but I am not a major Batman buff, so I likely didn't pick up on the some of obvious hints. I was actually a bit surprised when the whole back stab thing happened.

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

The Talia reveal was really good. I knew it was going to happen but about half way through I started to want it not to happen.

There was a great back and forth for me on it. It was pretty obvious she wasn't who she was, but the misdirection with Bane sold me that she wasn't Talia. Just didn't know how she'd figure in other than she was clearly on the side of Bane.

 

[kassatsu]

Some of the sky shots were annoying because they clearly showed new york. You could see one world trade center, Chrysler building, the empire state, met life, etc. They really couldn't shop them out?

Seeing UPMC atleast twice was more jarring. Why would Gotham have the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center...

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

People are reading way too much into the end because the scene is earlier foreshadowed as a dream by Alfred. And we all know how Nolan has screwed with our minds with dreams before.

The end happens. The payoff is great because we've seen the images from Alfred's dream, but this time, in real life, we hope it'll be different, we ask ourselves "Oooh is he here this time", and get that sense of anticipation that Nolan does so well. Then bam, Wayne shot.

This is a Nolan movie we're talking about here - every clue and piece of dialogue is important and has meaning. The fact that you're shown Alfred's dream is important because the film will return to it in real life, grounding the scene in familiar imagery. The autopilot is mentioned multiple times during the film as being non-functional, to set up it being fixed and enabling Batman to escape the fusion reactor detonation.

If this was meant to be left open, it would be deliberately left open.

 

[Paranerd]

From my understanding, Gordon went in the sewer the night of the speech. That, or he left it in that coat?

Was it the same night? Because that senator guy (or whoever he was) got seduced by Kyle and he went missing for a time. And if Gordon was that secretive about protecting the lie, it's pretty silly of him to be carrying that with him.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

i think the film did a REALLY poor job at creating an idea of what happened during Gotham's...i dunno, quarantine i guess you could call it? i mean, we're talking about MONTHS that have passed, and i got the impression everyone was just sitting around waiting for the plot during that time. same thing for the time that passed between the movies. what the hell is the Dent Act?

the whole "Catwoman will come back as a good person!" and "Miranda is Talia" parts of the plot were either really obvious or telegraphed too well. hell, the whole Talia thing is pretty much just something for the fans. the plot is more or less a slave to plot twists and MacGuffins (Magic Slate Cleaner 4.0!).

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

My problem with the 'not enough Batman' complaint is,
there is so much real Bruce that you don't really need all that many more costumed scenes.

 

[Chaser]

the Talia twist actually got the biggest applause/reaction at my theater. liked it because it furthered her, Bane and Ra's as characters.

There was a pretty strong reaction at my theater as well. It was definitely handled well as a surprise. I was just attached to Miranda's character in relation to Bruce's struggles by that point. Him ending up at the restaurant with her, for instance, made more sense to me than Bruce and Selina, before that twist. The origin stuff was handled well though, outside of the pacing issue I had.

Also, I totally thought the film was going to end on a shot of Michael Caine looking up at the restaurant and smirking. I was both glad and upset it didn't end that way, the Inception-gasps would have been amazing.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Okay. I really can't recall the autopilot fix scenario even when you guys explain it. What scene preceeded that? :/

(This is why I shouldn't watch movie at midnight).

Oh and I had seen the Miranda Tate photos with gunmen but when I saw Bane capture up, I thought maybe Bane was commanding her where to go. The thing that really gave it away was when they were all talking about "Trigger man". I knew it won't be a "man" when they emphasized on it a bit too much.

 

[Gila]

Friend and I also were also wondering what happened with Bruce's money? Has it all disappeared?

I really like that though if it is all gone, cause we all know the true Bruce doesn't give a shit about his money...and that would confirm he really is done with Batman

 

[DrForester]

I'd say 7/10. The 2nd act was too long, and I think it just got to silly in it's scope. I avoided a lot of the news about this. I vaguely remember a rumor a year or so ago about Talia but had kind of forgotten it. Finale scene was good.

Batman Begins > The Dark Knight >>> The Dark Knight Rises

 

[Wilbur]

I would like the idea of him becoming Batman more than Robin. Again, if his name is really Robin, that's not a very good super hero name. I would have really liked him being called Robin cut. Everything else stay how it was with him finding the cave, just never called that name.

But he is becoming Batman. The name Robin is a fun aside. Batman is more than one man, he's a symbol.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Friend and I also were also wondering what happened with Bruce's money? Has it all disappeared?

I really like that though if it is all gone, cause we all know the true Bruce doesn't give a shit about his money...and that would confirm he really is done with Batman

It is all gone. Bankrupt down to oblivion. Even if he didn't, he can't take that money since he is "dead" to the society. It's safe to believe that Selina and Bruce wiped out their identities/records clean.

But he is becoming Batman. The name Robin is a fun aside. Batman is more than one man, he's a symbol.

Yep. He is going to mantle the bat. There is no Robin but it's a way of telling the audience where it can go.

 

[TheKaeptain]

People are reading way too much into the end because the scene is earlier foreshadowed as a dream by Alfred. And we all know how Nolan has screwed with our minds with dreams before.

The end happens. The payoff is great because we've seen the images from Alfred's dream, but this time, in real life, we hope it'll be different, we ask ourselves "Oooh is he here this time", and get that sense of anticipation that Nolan does so well. Then bam, Wayne shot.

This is a Nolan movie we're talking about here - every clue and piece of dialogue is important and has meaning. The fact that you're shown Alfred's dream is important because the film will return to it in real life, grounding the scene in familiar imagery. The autopilot is mentioned multiple times during the film as being non-functional, to set up it being fixed and enabling Batman to escape the fusion reactor detonation.

If this was meant to be left open, it would be deliberately left open.

So what you're saying this was Nolan making sure we knew that the Top fell?

 

[BurnOutBrighter]

Okay. I really can't recall the autopilot fix scenario even when you guys explain it. What scene preceeded that? :/

The Robin name reveal. Most midnight audiences would probably be laughing/cheering at that, so it could have obscured the next scene with Fox and a technician mentioning how the autopilot was patched in.

 

[Paranerd]

Okay. I really can't recall the autopilot fix scenario even when you guys explain it. What scene preceeded that? :/

IIRC it was right around the Robin line and the Caine scene at the end. It was a quick scene.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

so...is it cool to like Batman Begins the best now or something?

 

[DrForester]

Also, I totally thought the film was going to end on a shot of Michael Caine looking up at the restaurant and smirking. I was both glad and upset it didn't end that way, the Inception-gasps would have been amazing.

That scene came off a bit jarring for me, because it seemed like the shot of Alfred and the shot of Bruce and Selina were clearly filmed at two different locations.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

The Robin name reveal. Most midnight audiences would probably be laughing/cheering at that, so it could have obscured the next scene with Fox and a technician mentioning how the autopilot was patched in.

IIRC it was right around the Robin line and the Caine scene at the end. It was a quick scene.

Ahh. Yeah that would make sense. Thanks. I was just too mesmerized by the amazing imagery of Robin entering batcave and experience it in the exact same manner Bruce first experienced it. That was so beautiful.

I want to read the script now to see how Nolan structured it. Also, I don't think Bane is dead. Guy was suited in armor.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

That scene came off a bit jarring for me, because it seemed like the shot of Alfred and the shot of Bruce and Selina were clearly filmed at two different locations.

maybe the studio mandated at the last minute that Nolan wasn't allowed to actually kill Batman. i wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

The Talia reveal was really good. I knew it was going to happen but about half way through I started to want it not to happen.

I was spoiled back during shooting, but I slowly started to think it wouldn't happen especially when the secret toy/figure was revealed to be Ra's and not Talia. I kept expecting it, then in the middle I was thinking maybe not.

 

[TheKaeptain]

That scene came off a bit jarring for me, because it seemed like the shot of Alfred and the shot of Bruce and Selina were clearly filmed at two different locations.

It was the same exact place from the beginning.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

That scene came off a bit jarring for me, because it seemed like the shot of Alfred and the shot of Bruce and Selina were clearly filmed at two different locations.

It's like Michael Caine was staring at my soul, breaking the 4th wall and telling us to go home.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

Can't believe I was worried about the batsuit, the bat or the emp gun.
even the batpod was cool in this.

 

[Gowans]

Loved it, amazing, just amazing.

That end, poor Alfred.

Such an amazing film, loved it from the first second when Little finger got toasted.

The penny dropped about Talia for me just before her reveal too, could not have been more perfect for me.

 

[Man]

Anyone here who didn't know Talia was Talia beforehand? Images were posted on NeoGAF a year ago.

 

[Gowans]

Anyone here who didn't know Talia was Talia beforehand? Images were posted on NeoGAF a year ago.

I didn't till a few mins before, I knew she was shady tho.

Maybe I forgot? link?

 

[TheKaeptain]

Anyone here who didn't know Talia was Talia beforehand? Images were posted on NeoGAF a year ago.

Dude when she signed on for the movie it was report that she would play Talia.

 

[Man]

Don't have them readily available but you saw her walk onto a batmobile in her ninja robe.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Dude when she signed on for the movie it was report that she would play Talia.

And the young actress who played Talia also gave it away.

 

[Blader]

"Theatricality and deception are powerful agents for the uninitiated. But we are initiated, aren't we, Bruce?"

I'll write a review-ish kind of thing later. I just really liked that quote and felt like posting it.

 

[Gila]

Anyone here who didn't know Talia was Talia beforehand? Images were posted on NeoGAF a year ago.

I saw the photo's and was still iffy, even in her interviews she "said" she was not going to be that character at all (and I for one, believed it)

She gave herself up in the film when she volunteered to be the board member to press her hand or whatever. I didn't see any hints before that, I was looking quite carefully too

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

"Theatricality and deception are powerful agents for the uninitiated. But we are initiated, aren't we, Bruce?"

I'll write a review-ish kind of thing later. I just really liked that quote and felt like posting it.

Fuck. Some of Bane's lines were amazing. So amazing.