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I think the Joker would have had to play a sort of guide behind bars to batman to make it work. Be the guy to tell him what was really going on because he would have seen straight though Tali and Banes plans.

Joker also wouldn't have wanted Gotham to fall and everyone to die so I cant have seen him going along with any plan of the League of Shadows. Where's the fun in that ?
 
SRG01 said:
But see, that's one of the weakest points of the film. At the end of TDK, he carries on despite his grief, endures infamy, and all that jazz... and then we find out at the beginning of the movie that he quit? That he's now so reckless, he willingly throws himself against Bane despite being out for eight years?
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At the end of TDK we have no idea he carried on.

This movie implies he quit being batman at the end of TDK.

Also it is implied Batman is not needed anymore because Gotham is at Peace. Even Gordon is going to get the boot.
 
Scullibundo said:
Man, I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that whilst JGL was good, the movie would have been entirely better off without his character. He felt like an unnecessary substitute for Gordon.

Same with Catwoman. She was enjoyable but ultimately hurt the film and was just another character stealing away much needed screentime from Bruce's journey which felt rushed.
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I think we needed him, he was the most relatable character there. I think we see the film through his perspective the most, as someone 'ordinary' who isn't touched by all the history and craziness (like Captain America in The Avengers).
 
Jarmel said:
That was an amazing line and cameo.

I really can't believe this has to be explained. Miranda didn't just blow up the nuke because she was making a point. She wanted to show the world not only how corrupt Gotham as a city was but also how ineffectual the government was before destroying the city. Why do you think they televised everything? Then there was the delicious icing in that they wanted Wayne to suffer.
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Well, when the "real" answer is because they needed to make a movie, sure it makes sense to question their logic. I'll admit the movie logic of why this is is fairly clear, though.

The ultimate goal was to destroy the city. Ra's failed twice. If they just wanted to destroy the city they wouldn't have waited five months. Or maybe left a guy in the prison and said, hey, call me if the Batman gets out so we can blow it before he fucks everything up.
 
Solo said:
Not ranking the movies yet, but I WILL rank the scores (having listened to TDKR's now 3 times in a row):

BB >>>> TDK >>>>>>>> TDKR

Man, this score is....... not very good. Almost all the best cues are rearrangements of superior cues from BB (and a few from TDK). The lack of JNH is extremely noticeable and hurts the score drastically. Zimmer's work on Inception was phenomenal, but TDKR's score is phenomenally lacklustre.
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rumble rumble rumble bass bass bass
 
Scullibundo said:
Man, I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that whilst JGL was good, the movie would have been entirely better off without his character. He felt like an unnecessary substitute for Gordon.

Same with Catwoman. She was enjoyable but ultimately hurt the film and was just another character stealing away much needed screentime from Bruce's journey which felt rushed.
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Nah, lose Modine instead of JGL and Marion Cotillard instead of Catwoman (although the latter would be hard, considering how she figures into the third act).
 
Solo said:
I wouldn't say that yet. It took me multiple viewings of BB and TDK to really start quoting them too. I think there was a lot of great dialogue in it. But I can't remember it. Initial viewing is kind of sensory overload.
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No you don't understand. I watched intently while taking notes on every line spoken and imagining how I can twist it into a GAF post.
 
LOL i can't believe catwoman just popped in and shot bane with her bike before saying some corny ass line, after all that build-up wtf??
 
Scullibundo said:
Man, I feel like I'm the only person on the planet who thinks that whilst JGL was good, the movie would have been entirely better off without his character. He felt like an unnecessary substitute for Gordon.

Same with Catwoman. She was enjoyable but ultimately hurt the film and was just another character stealing away much needed screentime from Bruce's journey which felt rushed.
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You're... not wrong. The movie would've totally worked without these two characters. The main problem is then how to tie the Batman/Bane plotline together.

Sorcerer said:
At the end of TDK we have no idea he carried on.

This movie implies he quit being batman at the end of TDK.

Also it is implied Batman is not needed anymore because Gotham is at Peace. Even Gordon is going to get the boot.
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Sure we do. Is it believable that Batman outright quits being Batman after TDK? Even after the whole speech at the end about being Gotham's Dark Knight? Not only that, but Gotham being at peace after the Joker is kind of... not believable, Dent Act or not.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Well, when the "real" answer is because they needed to make a movie, sure it makes sense to question their logic. I'll admit the movie logic of why this is is fairly clear, though.

The ultimate goal was to destroy the city. Ra's failed twice. If they just wanted to destroy the city they wouldn't have waited five months. Or maybe left a guy in the prison and said, hey, call me if the Batman gets out so we can blow it before he fucks everything up.
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They forgot about super prison doctor


got back problems? Hang on a rope for a month
 
Modine was such a weiner in this :lol

Also, this film's "nice coat"/"we're like turkeys on Christmas" guy was "son, you're in for a treat" guy. And no joke, hokey as that line was, it brought a huge smile to my face. How could it not? Even the fucking cops were amped to see Batman for the first time in a decade!
 
Begins remains the best in the trilogy. Only for the fact that it will be far and away the most re-watchable of the three. Think I'ma watch it tonight.
 
Dahbomb said:
What the hell would he be pre-planning for in between TDK and TDKR? TDK left him badly hurt both physically and psychologically. There was also no need for Batman in general during that time, laws were more strict and more criminals were behind bar. I very much appreciated the human side of Batman in this movie, this is what defines Batman from other superhero movies. He is capable of aging and accumulating damage over the course of his life span and the movie did a good enough job of portraying that. It just made his "comeback" in the movie that much more meaningful.
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TDK:
"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

"He's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hunt him, Because he can take it. Because he's not a hero. He's a dark knight."

He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Dark Knight."

Cut to 8 years later he's a broken man with a bum leg, out of the loop, hasn't talked to Fox in a long time, didn't go to the doctor really, and takes a lot time to put on the suit.

That's a direct contradiction to me.

I wanted and was hyped for someone confident and waiting.

As far as what he would be planning for? Well if you change one aspect of the story then others can change too? Like him being aware of threats coming Gotham's way?
 
I know I saw someone type that they disliked the small amount of time Batman was in the movie. Just don't see that.

TDKR had the most amount of Batman doing Batman stuff. Batarangs, taking out goons on the way to Bane 1 (Shadows of Batmans first night in BB), Batman coming to Catwoman's aid against the thugs on the roof, coming to Blake's aid. All those Vehicles (still miss the Black Tumbler :( )
 
Solo said:
Modine was such a weiner in this :lol

Also, this film's "nice coat"/"we're like turkeys on Christmas" guy was "son, you're in for a treat" guy. And no joke, hokey as that line was, it brought a huge smile to my face. How could it not? Even the fucking cops were amped to see Batman for the first time in a decade!
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No way. "The bomb... is a time-bomb."
 
Does anyone remember if Blake ever dealt with Lucius in the film?


Nemesis121 said:
Can we get a Knightwing movie? lol, I would take a Beyond movie over another fucking reboot right now...
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The leg brace Bruce uses reminds me of the strength amplifying Beyond suit. Maybe with some tech JGL can actually beat up two thugs.
 
Expendable. said:
Nah, lose Modine instead of JGL and Marion Cotillard instead of Catwoman (although the latter would be hard, considering how she figures into the third act).
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Yeah, but I didn't like HOW she figured into the third act. Her pairing with Bruce was ridiculous and more of the fan service that holds this film back. Bruce would not have gone back to her after she kept fucking him over - the last of which he was lucky enough to only have his spine broken.

JGL and Catwoman felt like they were constructed entirely for silly payoffs for the fans. And that's what really rubbed me the wrong way. Nolan has never been a slave to fan service, yet he's on his knees in this film and it hurts it a lot.
 
SerArthurDayne said:
Well, when the "real" answer is because they needed to make a movie, sure it makes sense to question their logic. I'll admit the movie logic of why this is is fairly clear, though.

The ultimate goal was to destroy the city. Ra's failed twice. If they just wanted to destroy the city they wouldn't have waited five months. Or maybe left a guy in the prison and said, hey, call me if the Batman gets out so we can blow it before he fucks everything up.
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It was shown repeatedly that Miranda and Bane were both sadistic(possibly from the jail). Miranda didn't go for the quick kill and let the knife in there and then didn't want to kill Wayne straight out and wanted him to know he failed. Bane after proceeding to wreck Batman threw him in a jail to let him suffer and when leaving touched Wayne to cause extra pain due to Wayne's back being broken. Bane also proceeded to strangle that guy with his knee and overall enjoyed playing with his prey.
 
Lonestar said:
I know I saw someone type that they disliked the small amount of time Batman was in the movie. Just don't see that.

TDKR had the most amount of Batman doing Batman stuff. Batarangs, taking out goons on the way to Bane 1 (Shadows of Batmans first night in BB), Batman coming to Catwoman's aid against the thugs on the roof, coming to Blake's aid. All those Vehicles (still miss the Black Tumbler :( )
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This.
 
Scullibundo said:
Yeah, but I didn't like HOW she figured into the third act. Her pairing with Bruce was ridiculous and more of the fan service that holds this film back. Bruce would not have gone back to her after she kept fucking him over - the last of which he was lucky enough to only have his spine broken.

JGL and Catwoman felt like they were constructed entirely for silly payoffs for the fans. And that's what really rubbed me the wrong way. Nolan has never been a slave to fan service, yet he's on his knees in this film and it hurts it a lot.
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I'm with you. There are a lot of script problems with Catwoman. Either develop her character better or remove her entirely. Same with JGL. Talia was underdeveloped as well, give her and Bruce more of a connection and cut out some of the other characters.
 
Lonestar said:
I know I saw someone type that they disliked the small amount of time Batman was in the movie. Just don't see that.

TDKR had the most amount of Batman doing Batman stuff. Batarangs, taking out goons on the way to Bane 1 (Shadows of Batmans first night in BB), Batman coming to Catwoman's aid against the thugs on the roof, coming to Blake's aid. All those Vehicles (still miss the Black Tumbler :( )
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Also it had more daytime Batman. I hate action scenes in the dark. I wanna see the costume! lol
 
DeathNote said:
TDK:
"I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."
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You answered your own question in the first line.

Gotham needed Batman to disappear and he did. They needed him to play the villain in Harvey's legacy.

If there was a threat on the scale of Joker/Bane in between TDK/TDKR then yeah Batman would've came back in action but there was no need. Since he didn't get much action his body and mind deteriorated even further. He needed a lot of motivation to get back into the swing of things.
 
Just back from seeing it.

Good on the whole, score a little too loud in parts though and could've done something about making Bane's diction a little better.

Bar that, good end to the trilogy.
 
Cloudy said:
Why can't there be a 4th one with a different director? Do they not like money?

PS: The death deke really got me. I had the same lump you get in your throat when you watch a sad movie.

PS2: Was there an after credits scene? I didn't stick around to see
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The next Batman movie is scheduled for 2015. Confirmed by Warner Bros.

I worry about it though because Warners wants an "Avengers" and this next Batman is supposed to tie into the Justice league.
 
midonnay said:
Nothing will ever beat Ra's "You took my advice about theatricality a bit … literally" :/
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Loved with Bane called out Batman's theatrical methods and just grabbed him out of the darkness



The next Batman movie is scheduled for 2015. Confirmed by Warner Bros.

I worry about it though because Warners wants an "Avengers" and this next Batman is supposed to tie into the Justice league.
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I think WB's best bet right now is to do a Superman/Batman movie
 
Sorcerer said:
The next Batman movie is scheduled for 2015. Confirmed by Warner Bros.

I worry about it though because Warners wants an "Avengers" and this next Batman is supposed to tie into the Justice league.
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Tie-in to Justice League by 2015? That's going to be one hell of a project considering there's really nothing aside from Superman and Green Lantern right now from DC.
 
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