It fits in with the idea of Batman being a symbol. Eternal. In the Nolanverse, we can now assume that, like Rhas Al Ghul, "Batman" is simply a persona which is taking up by a different man each generation.
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It fits in with the idea of Batman being a symbol. Eternal. In the Nolanverse, we can now assume that, like Rhas Al Ghul, "Batman" is simply a persona which is taking up by a different man each generation.
Salvor.Hardin
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While I liked the inclusion of his character, the most obvious 'this movie is rushed' moment was when he first meets Bruce, sits down and tells him his entire life story without even being asked to sit down. What the fuck?
MooseKnuckles
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Yeah I totally understand why it was there, but the technique itself was a bit jarring and personally frustrating because I knew what they were referencing everytime they flashed back.
The sound of the pain?
The Anti-Monitor
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The backstory was very Tim Drake-esque (the third Robin), and there's some stuff about his personality taken from Dick Grayson and Jason Todd.
soundscream
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I dont think Alfred would want to be a part of the Batman scene anymore.
Pure average.The first hour was slow as **** then suddenly turned into die hard.I couldnt understand bane 100% which pissed me off.Bane got built up then ruined completely by the talia revel and the way he died.He was a joke in the end.As if they just wanted to get him out of the way to focus on the bomb plot.
The ending was a cop out aswell.
Catwomen was an awful character and one of the biggest problems in this average film.
She gets alot of screen time yet we dont know who she is,her background and has a rubbish reason for a motivation.We dont know what shes all about.2d character with no depth,that cracks half hearted jokes throughout the film that no one found funny,one liners throughout the film.
She was horrible.
The amount of plot holes in the movie is a joke.
However the first fight scene with bane and batman was great.
Batman begins and the TDK were about 7 or 8/10s
TDKR is A 6/10 at best.
The ending was a cop out aswell.
Catwomen was an awful character and one of the biggest problems in this average film.
She gets alot of screen time yet we dont know who she is,her background and has a rubbish reason for a motivation.We dont know what shes all about.2d character with no depth,that cracks half hearted jokes throughout the film that no one found funny,one liners throughout the film.
She was horrible.
The amount of plot holes in the movie is a joke.
However the first fight scene with bane and batman was great.
Batman begins and the TDK were about 7 or 8/10s
TDKR is A 6/10 at best.
I know they mention something about a lot of the estate being sold off to satisfy Bruce's debt, so obviously that stock exchange heist worked and was never solved. Really annoying, actually.
DrForester
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So I have a question. Was the Bane and Talia relationship and origin taken from any comics?
Because I couldn't help noticing the basic origin plot for Bane is identical to Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman's characters from Star Trek: Nemesis, where Hardy was an orphan child in a underground prison, and was protected by Perlman.
Because I couldn't help noticing the basic origin plot for Bane is identical to Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman's characters from Star Trek: Nemesis, where Hardy was an orphan child in a underground prison, and was protected by Perlman.
Blake should really learn some manners.
Yep, Batman is immortal. Though the one thing that I would change about the ending is have the last shot be of Bruce.
I think there was a time in the comics where Ra's Al Ghual considered making Bane his heir, but decided against it. I don't think Bane and Talia have any real connection though
However, I am no expert, so crucify me if needs be. I mostly know of Talia and Bruce's relationship
Did they say to pay off the debt specifically? I could see him wanting to sell most of his stuff irregardless.
SCULLIBUNDO
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There are better ways of presenting Batman as an everlasting symbol than having rookie cop with no ninja training find the bat cave. Man that shit was forced.
The statue and return of the bat signal immortalizing him did some of that legwork already. They just needed to cap it off with something else that wasn't so goddamn hokey and embarrassing to the rest of Nolan's films.
Yep. The character is literally FORCED into the film for the sake of wank off fanservice. I hate it. JGL was great as the character, but his inclusion (along with Catwoman) hurts the movie.
Auron_Kale
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My favorite incarnation of Batman really. He was absolutely awesome in instilling fear, just as he should be. And that was all with not as much mobility in that suit.
No, the movie does things a bit differently. In the comics they have a very complicated relationship.
FlashbladeGAF
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she orchestrated the whole thing. She was in charge the ENTIRE TIME
Her seduction of Bruce Wayne as well aquiring Wayne's investment in her energy program were all steps to make her dad's goal a reality.
The fact that Bane was 2 steps ahead of everyone was because of the fact that Talia was giving him the information.
Like I said before. Bane to Talia was equal to Ken Watanabe to Ra's
misdirection and deception...
Another thing borrowed from BB that came full circle
DUFFMCWALIN
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I feel bad for people who counldn't understand Bane. I could hear him just fine but missing what he says through out the movie is a lot of dialogue. Still I really enjoyed the movie except for a few parts (especially in the beginning).
So I have a question. Was the Bane and Talia relationship and origin taken from any comics?
Because I couldn't help noticing the basic origin plot for Bane is identical to Tom Hardy and Ron Perlman's characters from Star Trek: Nemesis, where Hardy was an orphan child in a underground prison, and was protected by Perlman.
Bane was always born in a prison. Talia wasn't as far as I know. Their relationship was created for this film. Much like Bane and Poison Ivy.
Elfforkusu
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Exactly what I got out of it. I'll even go as far as to say that JGL's character didn't really click until his final scene... at which point everything slid into place.
QuiteWhittle
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Except he wasn't.
1) His name was Robin John Blake, similar to Richard John Grayson.
2) He's an orphan, like Jason and Dick, whose parents were killed right in front of him(like Dick)
3) He's a cop, like Dick was at some point.
4)He deduced Batman's identity on circumstantial evidence like Tim Drake.
5)He's street smart and pragmatic with guns like Jason Todd.
6)And it's implied he takes on the Batman mantle after Bruce seemingly dies just like Dick.
He's a composite character of the first three Robins.
Agreed. I didn't like the last shot being of Robin either. That should have come BEFORE the cafe scene, which should have ended the movie.
No, the movie does things a bit differently. In the comics, they have a very complicated relationship.
EDIT: Sorry, I misread that as Bruce, not Bane. Bane and Talia's interactions are very limited, if at all, in the comics.
Are we not allowed to have opinions of the film?
blainethemono
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pretty sure we learned from the guy in the prison that Bane was addicted to morphine after getting beaten to shit
Where did you hear they weren't happy with the ending?
Robin Rises!
DrForester
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So I can sit back and think Nolan took a note from a really bad Tom Hardy Film.
There were several reports months ago. Don't have a link off-hand.
Salvor.Hardin
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Or if it were a Marvel movie, set mid-credits. While I hate Marvel's bullshit mid-credits scenes, the cafe scene would have fit perfectly.
Would it offend you if I told you I liked this movie a LOT more than Blade Runner? Like, a LOT?
MikeHaggar
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sculli, i kind of gave you a little bit of a hard time about your review of the the film the other day in the spoiler-free thread, but you were dead-on. in fact, you were kinder than i would be. i left the theater telling everyone i was with what a shit-fest this movie is. i can't fathom how this is from the same people that did batman begins and the dark knight. this film is just such a mess.
i'm about to go watch it again with my brother and nephews. maybe my opinion will change, but i doubt it...
DUFFMCWALIN
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Second best Nolan Batman and I'll stand behind that, even with its flaws.
Escape Goat
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CrocMother
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I thought it was the doctor that was a morphine addict and that's why he botched Bane's surgery so bad leading to bane imprisoning him
Stop being obnoxious.
I dug catwoman. Thought I would hate her based on Anne Hathaway in the trailers.
John Blake... since I've been vocal about wanting more Batman screen time, I could do without him. I also didn't really like seeing what the citizens were doing while Bruce was away. So I probably agree with Sculli. If I can't get more Batman, then give me more Bruce in the prison at least.
FlashbladeGAF
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when the twist was revealed, Bane's role seemed to mimic the protector role of Ra's bald right hand man in TAS
It's not really the same type of movies as those 2.
TDKR is amazing in its own right and its genre of super hero/comic action movies. The Batman trilogy is the top of pyramid in its genre and will be for a long time to come. It's the best summer blockbuster movie this year for me with Avengers being a close 2nd.
I would seriously go see a Nightwing movie. I'd rather see that than half the shitty ass DC heroes like Green Lantern, Aquaman, Wonderwoman, etc.
I agree this movie was average. A step below the last one and two steps below Begins. But it still entertained the shit out of me. $4.50 well spent.
I agree this movie was average. A step below the last one and two steps below Begins. But it still entertained the shit out of me. $4.50 well spent.
This movie is not better than Avengers.
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