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OrangeGrayBlue
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That still leaves her scar, and also her pretty dubious statements early on about restoring balance as well as her idealistic mindset. There were several very clear signs.
The Technomancer
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Wayne Tower and the whole train sequence felt very atmospheric to me. And in general the city felt dark in a way that the Chicago shots in TDK didn't, and in a way that the NY sequences definitely didn't because most of them were during the day.
ryutaro's mama
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Movie should have ended with the waitress asking Alfred what kind of tea he would like.
His answer should be obvious.
His answer should be obvious.
He got that look in his eye. Basically Blake knew that feel.
He saw that look in Bruce's eye when he visited the orphanage.
.... or, because he's SuperCop.
All orphans have the shining.
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Sorcerer
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There are some leaps of logic, I mean Blake figured out Batman took the fall for Dent, but what lead him to that conclusion?
He couldn't have possilby figured out Dent's fall from grace or even make an educated guess about it. That was a very private matter.
The Technomancer
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A lot of my dislike for the movie really does come down to the pacing and the editing I think. It manages to feel frantic and barely coherent while also dragging on for an hour too long. I walked out of it mentally exhausted from trying to have adrenaline induced for two and a half hours.
Hero_of_the_Day
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He recognized that fake look on Bruce's face. It was pretty dumb.
TheKaeptain
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It looked like a modern city with a rail system. I watch Begins all the time. Look at the first shot of Gotham during the day. The only thing that looks "epic" is Wayne Tower.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Out of all the gripes people have, this is the only one that really bugged me. Gotham in BB is absolutely amazing with Wayne Tower and the public transport system and everything else they did to make it a believable Gotham. They didn't really do anything in TDK but it wasn't a problem because there weren't many aerial shots (or none that really come to mind). This movie though they show off so many aerial views of Manhattan its like they are proud they did nothing to turn it into Gotham.
I did get quite a kick out of Big Ben and other Steelers making it into the movie (despite strongly disliking the team).
ryutaro's mama
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Blake can never see that little Latino kid ever again.
Or any kids at Wayne Manor for that matter.
Identity security risk.
Raonak
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Am I the only one who likes long movies?
'8 years ago Batman showed his true nature by killing Harvey Dent'
'Bruce Wayne became suddenly reclusive 8 years ago and has long fingernails.'
'Bruce Wayne is back after 8 years of seclusion and he's at a party, let's take pictures!'
'After 8 years of hiding, Batman is back on the run days after Bruce Wayne has emerged from seclusion after 8 years!'
'Batman saves the city, let's build a statue.'
'Bruce Wayne has died.'
Gotham will never know who Batman was...
'Bruce Wayne became suddenly reclusive 8 years ago and has long fingernails.'
'Bruce Wayne is back after 8 years of seclusion and he's at a party, let's take pictures!'
'After 8 years of hiding, Batman is back on the run days after Bruce Wayne has emerged from seclusion after 8 years!'
'Batman saves the city, let's build a statue.'
'Bruce Wayne has died.'
Gotham will never know who Batman was...
Hero_of_the_Day
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Got it off him in the sewers.
That kid is actually the new Robin. Also... it's probably not smart having the way into the batcave being unlocked by hitting keys on a piano. Kids love that shit.
Because he's a random every-man kind of guy...
...who happens to be omniscient, have no flaws, always knows exactly what to do, was an orphan just like Batman, gets promoted by the commissioner of Gotham after knowing him for five minutes, is able to catch Catwoman without even trying, gets promoted to Batman by Batman after knowing him for five minutes
The Technomancer
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I'm fine with long movies. I'm not fine with long movies that are exhausting.
The beginning hour of the movie is inexplicably belabored. Then, when the movie gets to the meat of the story, it practically rushes things through and barely allows itself to breathe or play out the consequences in any sort of fashion.
Also the whole environmental organization thing in the beginning echoes plenty of other League of Shadows storylines. The hints were there. Whether they or the reveal were actually satisfying or how they used her once the reveal happened I think is were the actual criticism lies.
I agree that the literal "timing" or how elapsed time is portrayed in the film is poorly done. You never really know when a scene is taking place. I don't agree that the film was too long. I just think the time allocated was used poorly. Acts 1 and 2 should have been consolidated and no more than an hour.
SerArthurDayne
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It was a bit of a stretch. But basically he recognized the "Bruce Wayne" was an act, and that Wayne had to have some manner to channel his anger. And he is detective material, so he put super advanced technology, super rich guy who is just pretending to be a playboy but needs to channel his anger together.
Also, it could have been one of those, I'm pretty sure, but when Alfred let him in- Now I know things.
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Raonak
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I don't get what that means. An exhausiting movie?
if anything, the movie felt a little rushed around the middle.
Still not as bad as Property of Peter Parker. Gordon at least, had a reason to write the letter.
The Technomancer
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Yeah, I can revise that one to "there may have been clues, but I sure as hell didn't pick up on them"
There was a scene where Blake shoots two guys. He immediately realizes he's made a mistake IIRC. I felt like that established the idea that he still has lessons to learn.
The Technomancer
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Would you want to ride a twenty minute long roller coaster?
The middle felt rushed? Don't you mean everything but the middle?
Did you feel the same way about TDK? It has the same issue.
ryutaro's mama
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Seventy_X_Seven
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I suppose another complaint I have is that it sort of fell into the same trap that the old Spider-Man movies fell into - so many long segments without the actual hero in costume fighting crime. Not quite a fair comparison because I actually did enjoy the development with Bruce and Alfred and all of that, but I would of gladly taken more Batman and Catwomen combat action instead.
haha this. It was just a really bad part of the plot, Blake understood Bruce's orphan anger and could see in his eyes he was Batman. It was just the quickest way possible of doing this basic idea of Tim Drake working out Bruce was Batman using his own deductive reasoning:
CrocMother
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I thought this was Oldman's best performance out of the three movies.
I loved loner rogue Gordon. He doesn't apologize for shit
So what you are saying is that they rushed the character development so JGL and Bruce could hang out.
Also who is gonna, you know, train JGL? Bruce had years of martial arts training and probably the best education money could buy. And he still gets fucked up physically more than any other batman. How is JGL gonna do it?
Of course. His methods were supernatural.
- Some real artful scenes that bordered on trite.
- Mostly awful dialogue with a few decent monologues.
- Typical 'good concepts' from Nolan undone by overstuffing.
- Hathaway was completely flat. I blame the writing it more than her.
- Hate the logic breaking reveal.
- Hate the unceremonious death of Bane.
Really fun, really bloated movie. This is what happens when you make the highest grossing film in history. Worth the run time but I'll be happy to never watch it again.
- Mostly awful dialogue with a few decent monologues.
- Typical 'good concepts' from Nolan undone by overstuffing.
- Hathaway was completely flat. I blame the writing it more than her.
- Hate the logic breaking reveal.
- Hate the unceremonious death of Bane.
Really fun, really bloated movie. This is what happens when you make the highest grossing film in history. Worth the run time but I'll be happy to never watch it again.
I think Batman gave him the Batman title as a joke.
Rachel was the only person who could tell when Bruce was making fun of someone, and she's dead.
I mean, can you picture Joseph Gordon Robin fighting a group of thugs with his bare hands?
ryutaro's mama
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Either
when Bane called him 'Bruce Wayne' with her standing right there
OR
when Bane broke the mask off, revealing his face and and they dragged him off, again with her standing right there
Hero_of_the_Day
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Randomly, I hope that nobody tries to figure out who Superman is in the new movie. That always seemed stupid to me that people would think this invincible alien must live as a human during the day.
You know what I'd do if I were Superman? Superman shit all fucking day.
One of those things probably gave it away.
Movie took way too long for Batman to reappear. Should have gotten to that and his eventual ass-kicking much quicker.
I still really disagree with the decision to have Alfred exit barely a third of the way through the film. I really wish he would have been in the pit with Bruce instead of Tom Conti (I realize this would probably have to change the location of the pit however). Could have had the two re-establishing their connection after the initial fallout.
And, either properly convey what's going on in Gotham during the months-long occupancy (like what is happening to the average citizen?), or keep the POV solely on Bruce while he's imprisoned. If you're going to half-ass it, that doesn't work.
I agree, Tookay. I think something like focusing on the police below ground and Blake above (as a facet of plot progression) rather than a build-up to an eventual conflict could have worked. Same goes for that detective (?) who was scared to walk the streets (and eventually gets killed by the tank); he could have represented the average citizen across the time span -- transition from survival to fear to courage and what not.
Edit: Thanks, Mama.
Could you be more specific for the first three points?
Edit: Thanks, Mama.
BeautifulMemory
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And even tho we don't really see Batman ages after he shaved, th movie did a great job illustrating Gordon and Batman as old friends.
I get chills just think about the scene where Gordon lights the thing up and reveals the Batman out of darkness
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