He hung up his cowl because he physically was having trouble keeping up and those things Alfred said about him want a family and a normal life were things Bruce honestly wanted, even if he didnt know it at the time.
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He hung up his cowl because he physically was having trouble keeping up and those things Alfred said about him want a family and a normal life were things Bruce honestly wanted, even if he didnt know it at the time.
The Technomancer
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Dark Knight, for me at least, kept the illusion up a bit better and the curtain didn't slip as often.
To be fair they were kind of screwed in this department by real-life events.
Again, missing the point of that exchange.
Really, seems an odd thing to be hung up on. The message of the 'hero in everyone' is pretty common in most superhero stuff, even though nobody literally can be a superhero.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
I was so hyped for Bain though. I thought they might actually have something of an intellectual villain.
Its that its juxtaposed right next to him doing something no-one else can do. Its like Superman saying to a kid "remember, anyone can save the day" before flying up and punching an incoming meteor.
Speedymanic
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He grabbed it from his pocket when his goons captured him in the sewers.
anyway, got back a little while ago. Thought it was great, very slow at points and there really wasn't enough batman or even bane but the screen lit up whenever they were on screen.
There was also a lot of meandering, maybe more than was actually needed and it definitely added to the very slow pace of the movie, but all that pales when Bane and Bats throw down. The first fight was just amazing, brilliant decision by Nolan not to use music during that fight, made it all the more impressive/brutal.
The second fight wasn't as impressive, but I loved the physicality of bane when his mask is damaged, showed just how much more skilled he was than batman. That body combo was amazingly brutal and then hitting the pillar out of anger/frustration - GODDAMN. Really wish he had seen more of bane's brutality, there just wasn't enough.
I hated how he was taken out though, didn't feel appropriate, same goes for Talia. How did she die but Gordon, who's in the back of the lorry with the bomb survives without a scratch. This was one of the gripes I have, there was too much death on the villains side, not enough on the good side, there wasn't really any sense of sacrifice to help Gotham get back on track, there needed to be more than just batman 'dying'.
Same goes for the city, I expected it to be in much worse condition than it really was.
Too tired to post any more, but I had quite a few issues with various plot holes and other inconsistencies, characters not being fleshed out or developed (Daggert, for example) and the lack of action but still really enjoyed it. We're probably going to see it again tomorrow.
Sigh. I really wish I could participate in the thread more. But I'm reading all of these seemingly valid complaints about loopholes and deep inside I'm all
Maybe when my hype dies down in 24 hours
Its a movie with ridiculous hype and is the end of a trilogy. I dont trust opinions (even my own really) until some time has past. All you can do is reflect, browse some other opinions as they come off the hype train and maybe watch it again.
BeautifulMemory
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I do recommend a 2nd viewing for everyone. I liked it much better
I thought the stadium scene was odd (much like everything else) but after Bane had the Dr. elaborate upon the weapon, then snapped the Dr.'s neck -- that was cool. Bane doesn't develop as a character in the film, but I felt that was the point. His development is learning his back story and learning his weakness (or motivation) -- his love of Talia. He is this ultra-aware, highly cognizant brute. I read Nolan's description of what he wanted Bane to be and I think he nailed it. He's verbose, powerful, smart, manipulative, ostensibly impermeable -- but ultimately flawed -- in both a physical and mental sense. I thought Bane paralleled Bruce; whereas, Joker was Bruce's antithesis.
RBelong2Us
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You analyzed the shit out of a line that you interpreted a specific way that may not be what it meant.....
Seems more like over analyzing one film.
Has Bane ever been as smart as in the comics? Mostly people just make him a bruiser with a drug addiction.
RBelong2Us
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Bane was a retard in the film now? Is that the new cool thing to hate on? That he was apparently stupid?
Sorcerer
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Both. Also Batman is a wanted outlaw. Still is when he first appears in this film.
You forgot the awesome knee brace. I gotta get me one of those.
Because I'm old.
What would you have Superman do? Lobby for alternative energy? I think you're reaching.
Sigh. I really wish I could participate in the thread more. But I'm reading all of these seemingly valid complaints about loopholes and deep inside I'm all
Maybe when my hype dies down in 24 hours
I discovered this wonderful gif this morning but couldn't find a use for it. Well done sir, I applaud you.
I think majority of the plot holes could be easily explained by DVD extras where Nolan says certain scenes didn't make the cut. The real problems with the film are going to be with what was actually shown. The rushed skyline and JGL finding out Bruce was Batman on a whim are good examples of the film cutting corners.
If it works with dislocated shoulders, it'll work with anything.
RBelong2Us
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yes he did
I mean pimp numerous women in front of the public.
It's hard to be a Playboy when you're walking with a limp.
Seventy_X_Seven
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Forget about cartilage, not important. All you need is a knee brace and you're ready to go.
I dont think anyone can explain the stupid scene with the cops and outlaws charging at each other despite the outlaws having automatic weapons and the high ground on the steps.
KeeSomething
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The Dark Knight Rises is so easy to nitpick and point the flaws out, but as a whole, it's possibly the most satisfying Batflick if only for the ending. Honestly, the sense of dread throughout Rises was so strong. Bane was so intimidating! After things felt hopeless for most of the film, it only made the bittersweet ending even more sweet. It was like a huge weight was lifted. Bruce and Gotham were finally at peace.
I can't wait to see Rises a second time. As of my first viewing, I rate the series TDK>BB>TDKR. I wonder if that will change... I will say this: Rises gives me a greater appreciation for Begins which I find to be one of the most over-rated films of all time (still great).
I can't wait to see Rises a second time. As of my first viewing, I rate the series TDK>BB>TDKR. I wonder if that will change... I will say this: Rises gives me a greater appreciation for Begins which I find to be one of the most over-rated films of all time (still great).
They're fanatics and prisoners, not seasoned battle veterans.
It works for Chris Paul in the NBA.
That's why I gave it a 7/10
It's a bad movie with terrible characters, a nonsensical plot, and stupid scenes, that's semi-fun to watch
ThisWreckage
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My thoughts after reflecting a bit more:
I still think that Hathaway was miscast and her presence in the film could have been completely omitted and I wouldn't have cared.
I still think that the romances weren't believable in the slightest.
There are plot holes and eye rolling moments that have been discussed ad nauseam in this thread and I agree with them.
I thought Bane was great. His character could have been legendary if it wasn't for Nolan getting a hard on for Cottillard and JGL. I swear I think those two were shoehorned in the screenplay at the last second.
I still think that Hathaway was miscast and her presence in the film could have been completely omitted and I wouldn't have cared.
I still think that the romances weren't believable in the slightest.
There are plot holes and eye rolling moments that have been discussed ad nauseam in this thread and I agree with them.
I thought Bane was great. His character could have been legendary if it wasn't for Nolan getting a hard on for Cottillard and JGL. I swear I think those two were shoehorned in the screenplay at the last second.
IamMattFox
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I really liked Bruce without the cowl in the batcave in this one.
He looked pretty boss compared to his other cowl-less scenes.
He looked pretty boss compared to his other cowl-less scenes.
TheDarkStark
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I thought the movie was phenomonal, still like Batman Begins the best though.
For all the people trying to poke holes: It's a MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK. I mean seriously.
For all the people trying to poke holes: It's a MOVIE based on a COMIC BOOK. I mean seriously.
Just saw this a second time (again in IMAX). Gotta say, I absolutely loved it, and appreciate the film even more the second time.
Still convinced that Talia was just unnecessary, and am still displeased with how quickly Bane gets neutered and disposed of. It's really the only thing left about the film that I don't like. That, and calling JGL's character 'Robin'
Poking holes all day isn't fun, I agree. But the fact that it's based on a comic book means shit all; that shouldn't excuse it any more than other films. But again, I agree that poking holes all day isn't fun.
Glad to hear someone else agree. With regards to Marion specifically. Totally unnecessary, I thought.
Still convinced that Talia was just unnecessary, and am still displeased with how quickly Bane gets neutered and disposed of. It's really the only thing left about the film that I don't like. That, and calling JGL's character 'Robin'
Poking holes all day isn't fun, I agree. But the fact that it's based on a comic book means shit all; that shouldn't excuse it any more than other films. But again, I agree that poking holes all day isn't fun.
Glad to hear someone else agree. With regards to Marion specifically. Totally unnecessary, I thought.
He slept with Marion Cottiliard fireside. Perhaps his greatest accomplishment in any of the movies.
I think that's maybe because Catwoman was a just above average cat burglar with a bad history. Maybe you were hoping there was a supernatural element to her character like in Returns?
Even though it was ridiculous looking back... The whole nine lives deal was explored well in Returns.
ryutaro's mama
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Thinking of cracking open my copy of 'Inception' on BR this weekend.
I bought a copy on a Lightning Deal last Christmas ($4.99) but I feel motivated to watch it now.
I have remained spoiler free to this point.
:O
I bought a copy on a Lightning Deal last Christmas ($4.99) but I feel motivated to watch it now.
I have remained spoiler free to this point.
:O
Always the start of a good defense to an argument.
Few are indicating these flaws kill the movie, but so many contrivances can add up.
TrAcEr_x90
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wow, I thought I had this movie all figured out, and how it would be on my list of favorite movies made....sooo disapointed.
What I had in my mind:
Beginning shows Bane origin story, then on to going to gotham and kicking batmans ass. Throws him in the pit, and thus kickstarts the 8 years of mental and physical training to get out of the pit. During this time Bane takes over gotham. Batman sacrifices himself and dies, thus leaving robin to take up the mantle.....
Just what I thought I had figured out from reading stuff online. I don't understand the horrible filler to every scene. So many great ideas, and then 10 minutes later just some really horrible story plots pop up, or everything just gets really long winded....
It's wierd, i like the movie but probably my biggest disapointment of all time. This summer really sucked for movies in general, thank god Avengers was the saving grace.
Seems as movies get sequels and triliogies, directors feel they need to cram in extra characters and gigantic storylines to end everything on a giant bang. Joss Whedon is the only exception and thrived with a team movie.
What I had in my mind:
Beginning shows Bane origin story, then on to going to gotham and kicking batmans ass. Throws him in the pit, and thus kickstarts the 8 years of mental and physical training to get out of the pit. During this time Bane takes over gotham. Batman sacrifices himself and dies, thus leaving robin to take up the mantle.....
Just what I thought I had figured out from reading stuff online. I don't understand the horrible filler to every scene. So many great ideas, and then 10 minutes later just some really horrible story plots pop up, or everything just gets really long winded....
It's wierd, i like the movie but probably my biggest disapointment of all time. This summer really sucked for movies in general, thank god Avengers was the saving grace.
Seems as movies get sequels and triliogies, directors feel they need to cram in extra characters and gigantic storylines to end everything on a giant bang. Joss Whedon is the only exception and thrived with a team movie.
True. Beautiful woman.
KeeSomething
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No way TDKR is a bad movie. It enjoyed it too much, even if the script is flawed. The execution was fantastic for the first and third act. The second act was iffy, though.
So the guys with the weapon and view advantage dont understand simple concepts like spray large group of people with bullets. And the cops dont understand charging said people would likely accomplish a large amount of dead cops?
Tookay, I didn't catch your thoughts on Catwoman/Hathaway. What did you think?
Drop dead gorgeous. Brilliant actress. Her career has been exploding since La Vie -- deservedly so.
This wasn't planned. The cops just got free, and charged. Heat of the moment.
I'm not saying it's what any rational person would do, but for a part of the movie that's about Gotham's citizens standing up to those who would kill them, it's certainly packs a wallop.
XANDER CAGE
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That doesn't really sound like a 7/10 to me.
They were all going to die shortly anyways from the bomb.
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